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Juggernaut (Base) vs. Doomsday (Post-crisis)

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still likely an outlier since hulk said he couldn't beat WWH and juggernaut is comparable (if not weaker) than hulk, so him fighting WWH is likely outlier since it creates a scaling confusion
 
Juggernaught's a Lobo type of character in terms of scaling so there's still always the chance that he's either stronger or weaker than Doomsday, Hulk, Thor, and any other 4-B Marvel/DC character. If he was serious enough and written by a proper writer who knows him well enough, he would definitely be more of a true power house rather a big joke most of the time. I doubt Hulk's truly stronger than Juggernaught since he has no showcases of physically stopping Juggernaught with his own strength even in his WWH mode. Aside from that one time he had his own 2-C god backing him up.
 
well if they are around the same level, it still wouldn't make sense that he compares to someone FAR stronger than hulk at his angriest meaning all the fights with hulk were CIS or the WWH fight was PIS and it is more llikely that the WWH Hulk fight is PIS since it goes against all the fights he and hulk had
 
Inconclusive FRA.


...Also, the fact that Doomsday died to Superman beating him to death--doesn't that mean he can't be killed that way, any more? Or was there a retcon or CRT about that?
 
Actually, most of the times Juggernaut and Hulk are shown to be comparable in strength, and the only reason Juggernaut seemingly loses are through trickery mostly. Otherwise I don't remember Juggernaut being outright wrecked by the Hulk, except of that fight with Skaar
 
Juggernaut vs Skaar is more of an example of the fact that Juggernaut gets dealt with by outsmarting, tricking or just BFR him rather than trying to fight him.

Skaar was forced to trick Juggernaut as he was initially having problems with him. Also, without Bruce there to tell him about Juggernaut he'd probably had have the tar beaten out of him. Skaar first reverted to his child form and begged Juggernaut to stop, which he actually did.

Skaar then used that opening and to knock Juggernaut into the air and followed after him. They fought in the air before landing again. Once they hit the ground, Skaar caused the earth to open up and they both fell underground into a pool of magma. While in there, they talk and Skaar convinces Juggernaut to team up with him so that they can go after Bruce. Skaar than betrays Juggernaut and hits him into space.
 
Sort of both I guess. Also someone stronger than Juggernaut (Onslaught) couldn't kill him because he still calls him invincible so he just severed his connection to the gem and threw him away. And then the Hulk beated Onslaught when he was given extra rage lol.
 
still, i feel the results shall still be inconclusive because despite the many inconsistencies, he is mostly portrayed on hulks level which would make this battle inconclusive
 
Yeah it's either both sides are stronger than the other and regardless of who's stronger, they still can't end each other. Inconclusive really is the best outcome for the 2
 
Actually, he is kinda weak if his helmet is knocked off, which'll give doomsday somewhat of an edge, which is bound to happen atleast once. Also, maybe Juggernaut might BFR himself if he gets sick of fighting. Unlimited stamina doesn't mean unlimited interest.

Idk, doing everything to avoid incon, even if the better meme loses.
 
Juggernaut's helmet does not protect him from anything except mind manipulation. Removing his helm will do nothing to his strength or durability.
 
Juggernaut does not have the strength to put down Classic Doomsday where Doomsday definitely has. Classic Doomsday has beat beings who showed better feats.
 
The argument that neither one can harm each other is silly. If DD is comparable to Hulk, it's like saying Hulk could not harm Juggs
 
Risk0608 said:
The argument that neither one can harm each other is silly. If DD is comparable to Hulk, it's like saying Hulk could not harm Juggs
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Except most comics with the two seem to forget that Juggernaut has a forcefield to protect him. Thor is comparable to Hulk and he really couldn't do any actual damage until he removed it.

Also, we're not saying that can't hurt each other. We're saying that they can't put each other down. Doomsday as a small AP/Dura advantage plus Low-High regen and Reactive Evolution. Juggernaut could probably hurt him but Doomsday would just heal it away and would probably adapt to it over time.

Juggernaut has a forcefield that Thor (who is comparable to Hulk and Juggernaut) had to remove it to even really hurt him. Now combine that with the ability to survive being reduced to a skeleton and then being able to instantly heal all that damage. So, really, Juggernaut has a forcefield that will either lessen or just flat out negate whatever damage Doomsday could do. Even if Doomsday could hurt him a bit through it, Juggernaut will also simply endure it and heal.

Could they hurt each other? Probably to some small extent. Would that mean anything? No, both would simply recover from it with their respective abilities.

Also, most depitctions of Juggernaut even forget he has the forcefield. Like how most forget all the stuff and hax that Thor could actually do with Mjolnir.
 
Small question but, how does his force fields look like again? A reactive bubble around him or just an invisible barrier? I forgot about how it looked like.
 
Not Icarus said:
Small question but, how does his force fields look like again? A reactive bubble around him or just an invisible barrier? I forgot about how it looked like.
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It's been both. Depends on the artist.
 
I still personally believe that his tier should be re-evaluated into Unknow but at most 4-B to make up for the times he keeps getting downplayed and turned into a joke by most of the guys who write him and for his strongest moments like his fight againts World War Hulk tbh.
 
"Except most comics with the two seem to forget that Juggernaut has a forcefield to protect him. Thor is comparable to Hulk and he really couldn't do any actual damage until he removed it."
 
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