Who thought Jonathan had a chance against ******* Wamuu
I have to agree, I dont even think we saw Jonathans full potential ever, not even in Dio fight, where he was held back by emotions and Dios freezing ability which bypasses durability and he had nothing to counter that shit (luckily he asspulled that fire thing). I dont think Santana has any chance against final Jonathan form, so I am also going with Jonathan here.
Not to mention Jonathan also has better skill and combat experience, having outwitted a Genius like Dio and bested the likes of Tarkus and Bruford in combat, who were some of the most legendary knights during the Tudor period
Exactly, man is so underrated in all aspects, he is easily stronger than Joseph.
saying this way before no huh?Oh cool it's grace, that means it's time to ruin everyone's fun
Lads, we don't even know if Jonathan's hamon can even hurt Santana.
I would like to remind everyone that insufficient Hamon merely gets dispelled on skin contact with Pillar Men, Santana included, as shown when Joseph's Hamon was completely useless against Santana and the only way Joseph could even hurt him was by doing an overdrive internally (Didn't even vaporize him either). While it is true Jonathan's Hamon is better than Joseph's by a large degree, it's also true it's not as good as Post Training Joseph, aka the known baseline for what's he needed, aka, we straight up don't know if Jonathan's Hamon would work, it's in some middle ground limbo where it might work (if it does it's going to be nonlethal given even post training joseph's isn't instant lethal), but might not work altogether.
If Jonathan can break the skin to inject Hamon it would work, but we'd have to ask, can he? His sword won't help, Santana is shown to be able to make his skin like rubber and have bladed weapons become useless when not taken by surprise. So we need to ask if Jonathan's raw girth is enough to wound Santana to the point Jonathan can inject Hamon, all while Santana is stronger than him, because that is indeed the case.
Jonathan is equal to Dio (and only barely, Dio sandbagged and lost in his fight), and Santana is stated, along with the other 3, to be more powerful than Part 1 Dio in an interview in JoJonium. Jonathan does have more skill and versatility, so that could even the odds, but Joseph won via actual bullshit, not with tech or skill so it's hard to say how much that would matter, but it might so I won't discredit that.
Jonathan could easily win if he just does what Joseph did, but is Jonathan really smart enough to let himself get eaten to inject Hamon? I'm not so sure he'd think of that.
To be fair, I've told like ten people, and I just don't do matches unless asked and nobody asked
Grace hasn't started since there are only 6 votes.Oh cool it's grace, that means it's time to ruin everyone's fun
OP says he has 7 votes shrug.
Jonathans battle iq is really underrated, ap wise they are similiar and has some regen to help him aswell, if santana would try to devour jonathan without any prior knowledge, i think he stomps without any problem, oh and by the way, the "bullshit" joseph has is just meta miracle, thats how he managed to beat kars after all. My vote still stands, simply due to his much stronger hamon, equalized speed and importantly his underrated biq. I dont think we saw jonathan´s full powers, since the fight with dio was not a brutal stomp only due to dio´s freezing abilities and then my boy just got caught lackin on ship defensless.Oh cool it's grace, that means it's time to ruin everyone's fun
Lads, we don't even know if Jonathan's hamon can even hurt Santana.
I would like to remind everyone that insufficient Hamon merely gets dispelled on skin contact with Pillar Men, Santana included, as shown when Joseph's Hamon was completely useless against Santana and the only way Joseph could even hurt him was by doing an overdrive internally (Didn't even vaporize him either). While it is true Jonathan's Hamon is better than Joseph's by a large degree, it's also true it's not as good as Post Training Joseph, aka the known baseline for what's he needed, aka, we straight up don't know if Jonathan's Hamon would work, it's in some middle ground limbo where it might work (if it does it's going to be nonlethal given even post training joseph's isn't instant lethal), but might not work altogether.
If Jonathan can break the skin to inject Hamon it would work, but we'd have to ask, can he? His sword won't help, Santana is shown to be able to make his skin like rubber and have bladed weapons become useless when not taken by surprise. So we need to ask if Jonathan's raw girth is enough to wound Santana to the point Jonathan can inject Hamon, all while Santana is stronger than him, because that is indeed the case.
Jonathan is equal to Dio (and only barely, Dio sandbagged and lost in his fight), and Santana is stated, along with the other 3, to be more powerful than Part 1 Dio in an interview in JoJonium. Jonathan does have more skill and versatility, so that could even the odds, but Joseph won via actual bullshit, not with tech or skill so it's hard to say how much that would matter, but it might so I won't discredit that.
Jonathan could easily win if he just does what Joseph did, but is Jonathan really smart enough to let himself get eaten to inject Hamon? I'm not so sure he'd think of that.
Nah, Jonathan is safe from the acid hax, Hamon does indeed protect him from that, while Hamon might not be lethal on contact, if Santana takes someone in who has Hamon, it's able to bypass his defenses, it's why Santana wasn't eating Joseph untill he "ko'd" him.
While that may be true, that isn't the case here, Jonathan is skilled, but that's all he is, when 99% of of his "battle IQ" relies on something that doesn't affect his foe at all, there's an issue.
No they aren't? Jonathan is equal to Dio, Santana is above Dio. Santana holds the stat advantage in every category.
His regen is healing broken bones and cuts, not really an advantage when his foe has the same but down to dust.
No, it's "Joseph literally bullshits his foe's to death", nothing meta about it, half the time it's him being big brain and setting up the bullshit in the first place. The only time it wasn't intentional was against Kars, and that's just him getting lucky, and Kars' hubris blinding him. Nothing meta, just a chain of coincidences.
Your vote is based on something that you can't even confirm. Does Post Deep Pass have a better Hamon than Pre-Training Joseph? Yes, that is correct.
We did see Jonathan's full powers what are you on about? He went all out against Dio, and he would have lost if Dio didn't sandbag, Jonathan himself points out how Dio could have killed him, but due to Dio wanting Jonathan to be turned into a minion instead of straight up killed, Dio opted to hold back on his freezing, instead of freezing Jonathan solid, he merely encased bits of him in ice, as if he froze him completely he wouldn't be able to drain his blood - life force and thus turn him into a zombie, something Jonathan points out to Dio as his fatal mistake.
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