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Ren Amamiya vs. Loki
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Joker fights an actual SMT Demon
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Joker has the advantage in being able to nigh-instantly change his elemental affinities, plus having elements that (I think) are outside of SMT Loki's affinities, like Psychokinesis. Loki's page also doesn't mention any resistances (besides reflecting/nulling Fire), which is weird. @Yobo Blue also mentioned duplication, but it isn't on the page either, so I'll assume the profile is incomplete.
From what I have to go on right now though, Joker wins since Makajama would prevent Loki from using a lot of his own hax, and Ren's gun negates resistances just like his Almighty attacks do. Ren also has physical-based sleep hax, and mind control (which I'm pretty sure Loki resists, but since it isn't on the page, I brought it up anyway). Ren can also become immune to mindhax via Unshaken Will, and buff his resistance to physical ailments via Fortify Spirit. Not to mention that Sinful Shell would definitely end Loki.
Although, Loki's -kajas and -kundas stack, unlike Ren's. So the longer the fight goes on, the bigger Loki's advantage in AP gets.
Nonetheless, I'm voting for Joker via greater versatility.
From what I have to go on right now though, Joker wins since Makajama would prevent Loki from using a lot of his own hax, and Ren's gun negates resistances just like his Almighty attacks do. Ren also has physical-based sleep hax, and mind control (which I'm pretty sure Loki resists, but since it isn't on the page, I brought it up anyway). Ren can also become immune to mindhax via Unshaken Will, and buff his resistance to physical ailments via Fortify Spirit. Not to mention that Sinful Shell would definitely end Loki.
Although, Loki's -kajas and -kundas stack, unlike Ren's. So the longer the fight goes on, the bigger Loki's advantage in AP gets.
Nonetheless, I'm voting for Joker via greater versatility.
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Loki has better immortality, regen, and almighty that scales to 2A. Joker only chance is sinful shell, but even so I'm not sure it will be able to negate immortality on SMT level. I vote for loki i guess.
Edit: not to mention all demons from SMT bar high and god tier are 4D (if i remember correctly).
Edit: not to mention all demons from SMT bar high and god tier are 4D (if i remember correctly).
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How does Joker beat his regen and immortality again?
Aside from mindhax which he should resist but oddly doesn't
Aside from mindhax which he should resist but oddly doesn't
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So this is a stomp or not?
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