John Cena vs Captain America (WWE vs Marvel Comics)

[Pikaman]

The following contest is scheduled for one fall, and is for nothing but pride because I cba finding a working gif for a title belt lol


First entering the ring, from West Newbury, Massachusetts, weighing in at 251 lbs, JOHN CENA!

And his opponent, from Manhattan, New York City, weighing in at 240 lbs, Steve Rodgers, CAPTAIN AMERICA!

This battle takes place at Summerslam, in the ring. Speed equal, SBA applies otherwise. This is Golden Age Cap



“On your left”:

“You can’t see me”:

The Undertaker smites both of them:


Cena AP: 492.796061703 KJ

Cap AP: 155.85 KJ

Cena holds a 3.16198948799x AP advantage

Cap’s Shield Dura is higher than his AP

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Where's the Captain America gif?

Captain's shield is a tough weapon to counter, though Cena should be skilled enough to find a way around it.

 

[Pikaman]

Where's the Captain America gif?

Added it just before you commented lol

 

[DivineAura44]

Speed equal or Cap speed blitz?

 

[Pikaman]

weighing in at 251 lbs

weighing in at 240 lbs

Today I learnt that super soldier serum is no match for being The Face that Runs The Place and Never Giving Up in terms of building muscle

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Here's Cena's moveset btw.

Cena should be the more versatile combatant here.

 

[Pikaman]

Speed equal or Cap speed blitz?

Speed is equalised as stated in OP after a sneaky edit

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Speed equal or Cap speed blitz?

Speed is equal.

 

[Pikaman]

This is such a cool matchup lol, very thematic and also WWE vs Marvel Comics

 

[DivineAura44]

Speed is equal.

Yeah I don't know how I didn't see that.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

To start off, Cena has a very good AP/Dura advantage on Captain here.

Not sure what Captain can do with his shield. I'll wait until supporters come and do that.

We need to figure out who's more skilled, too (I'm assuming the gap isn't that big).

 

[DivineAura44]

Well Cap has a weapon so I tend to go with that. And probably no amount of convincing can have you lead me to believe John Cena is simply dodging.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

I also forgot to mention that Cena's AP is significantly higher with the Attitude Adjustment.

Captain's LS advantage is pretty scary, though.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Well Cap has a weapon so I tend to go with that. And probably no amount of convincing can have you lead me to believe John Cena is simply dodging.

I'd probably be able to convince you if this was Jericho instead of Cena.

 

[Pikaman]

Cena can likely make quick work of Rodgers thanks to his considerable AP advantage if you take the shield out of the equation, the question is if Cena can disarm Cap and force a CQC exchange, or land the handful of hits he needs to kill Cap even with his shield on him. If Cap took a hit from an enemy that strong would he drop the shield?

 

[Pikaman]

And probably no amount of convincing can have you lead me to believe John Cena is simply dodging

WWE wrestlers are good with weapons, but a shield is just too unorthodox to reliably say they can handle it the way they do other weapons

 

[RandomGuy2345]

If Cap took a hit from an enemy that strong would he drop the shield?

If Cap took a hit from someone a little over 3x stronger than him, he's for sure dropping his shield.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

WWE wrestlers are good with weapons, but a shield is just too unorthodox to reliably say they can handle it the way they do other weapons

Well actually, "The New Vicious" Viking Raiders use shields as weapons, if you've watched the recent episodes of Smackdown.

 

[DivineAura44]

If Cap took a hit from someone a little over 3x stronger than him, he's for sure dropping his shield.

Can't he just like recover it?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Can't he just like recover it?

That depends on if Cap can grab the shield before Cena can.

If Cena sees that someone has a weapon on them, his first strategy is to try and disarm them (which most wrestlers do anyway).

 

[DivineAura44]

Well actually, "The New Vicious" Viking Raiders use shields as weapons, if you've watched the recent episodes of Smackdown.

Something I was gonna call out. It's not necessarily just it being unordinary. It's also the talent that Cap has with the shield.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Something I was gonna call out. It's not necessarily just it being unordinary. It's also the talent that Cap has with the shield.

Fair.

 

[DivineAura44]

That depends on if Cap can grab the shield before Cena can.

If Cena sees that someone has a weapon on them, his first strategy is to try and disarm them (which most wrestlers do anyway).

And when cap feels that his opponent hits 3x harder he's gonna prioritize that shield like his life depends on it. Because it will.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

So Cena's main goal is to try and make this fight go H2H/CQC by disarming Cap's shield.

And when cap feels that his opponent hits 3x harder he's gonna prioritize that shield like his life depends on it. Because it will.

Once again, Cap is dropping that shield when he gets hit by someone 3x stronger, which gives Cena an opportunity to grab the shield before Cap can recover and grab it himself.

And unless someone tries to argue otherwise, I'm convinced Cena is more skilled that Cap in H2H, as all it shows on Cap's profile is that he's a skilled boxer, while Cena has fought and defeated people with multiple different fighting styles.

 

[DivineAura44]

One problem, whether or not the shield gets flung isn't an AP thing. It's an AP vs LS thing.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

One problem, whether or not the shield gets flung isn't an AP thing. It's an AP vs LS thing.

I'm not sure what you mean by this.

 

[DivineAura44]

If you punch something out of someone's hand you aren't overcoming their AP. You are overcoming their grip on said thing, which is LS.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

If you punch something out of someone's hand you aren't overcoming their AP. You are overcoming their grip on said thing, which is LS.

You can disarm someone by hitting them, despite them having the LS advantage over you, especially if that person you're hitting is 3x weaker.

 

[Pikaman]

If you punch something out of someone's hand you aren't overcoming their AP. You are overcoming their grip on said thing, which is LS.

People drop stuff they’re holding if they get hit really hard, it’s not a question of their LS related grip, right?

 

[RandomGuy2345]

If Cena were to punch Cap in the gut, Cap would 100% drop his weapon as someone 3x stronger than him just punched him in the gut.

 

[DivineAura44]

I was under the assumption you guys meant he'd hit the shield and it'd leave his hands. Well under the assumption Cena knocks the shield out of his hands I think Cena takes it but I doubt he'd get that chance. Cap's stamina seems higher than Cena's and I don't see Cena hitting Cap without Cap being tired.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

What can Cap do that significantly harm Cena here?

Also there's an LS calculation that hasn't been evaluated that would put the verse at Class M LS, but that's a conversation for another day.

 

[DivineAura44]

What can Cap do that significantly harm Cena here?

Also there's an LS calculation that hasn't been evaluated that would put the verse at Class M LS, but that's a conversation for another day.

Well I mean it kinda sounds stupid but a hold.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Well I mean it kinda sounds stupid but a hold.

Cena is very, very experienced in dealing with wrestling holds, so that'd be very hard to do.

 

[Pikaman]

Well I mean it kinda sounds stupid but a hold.

I mean wrestlers facing submission specialists literally earn their paycheques avoiding being put into dangerous holds, even by opponents with higher LS (which Cap may not have by the time LS revisions complete.) I don’t think a hold is all that reliable, nor would I guess it to be all that in-character for Steve to restrain someone for 24 hrs

 

[RandomGuy2345]

nor would I guess it to be all that in-character for Steve to restrain someone for 24 hrs

I don't think it's in-character for anyone to restrain someone for 24 hrs by putting them in a hold.

 

[DivineAura44]

I mean wrestlers facing submission specialists literally earn their paycheques avoiding being put into dangerous holds, even by opponents with higher LS (which Cap may not have by the time LS revisions complete.) I don’t think a hold is all that reliable, nor would I guess it to be all that in-character for Steve to restrain someone for 24 hrs

It's not in character for just about anyone to do a hold for 24 hours. (Except this guy but that's another story for another day.) However Cap will do what's necessary.

 

[Pikaman]

I mean wrestlers facing submission specialists literally earn their paycheques avoiding being put into dangerous holds, even by opponents with higher LS (which Cap may not have by the time LS revisions complete.) I don’t think a hold is all that reliable

I mean still

 

[DivineAura44]

If he can tire out Cena it's in the realm of possibility for him to get Cena in a hold considering he has a higher LS.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

If he can tire out Cena it's in the realm of possibility for him to get Cena in a hold considering he has a higher LS.

That's going to be a difficult task.