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Jiren AP
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It's not just stated he's the "strongest", it's also stated he hits the hardest and has the most energy by Goku, Vegeta, and The Supreme Kai, each of which are people who have been in the presence of Infinite Zamasu.
Episode 110
Jiren has a Low 2-C feat with the time cage.
They are not literally just going to push out some enemy because of some why not? reason.
Episode 122
Episode 123
Also, it's fiction. They can do what they want with Spatial Dimensions to power. Marvel and DC has thousands of examples because they make the gap between the classes variable (usually ranging from far far beyond gigantic, but not infinite, to infinite). Rick and Morty made a 5-D being human level.
Edit: The Low 2-C time cage has apparently been debunked.
Episode 110
Jiren has a Low 2-C feat with the time cage.
They are not literally just going to push out some enemy because of some why not? reason.
Episode 122
Episode 123
Also, it's fiction. They can do what they want with Spatial Dimensions to power. Marvel and DC has thousands of examples because they make the gap between the classes variable (usually ranging from far far beyond gigantic, but not infinite, to infinite). Rick and Morty made a 5-D being human level.
Edit: The Low 2-C time cage has apparently been debunked.
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It was also repeatedly stated if Beerus & Champa fights both of their Universes will be destroyed. Low 2-C GOD is well justified. But SSG Goku can still fight him which makes no sense. Beerus must have been using the tiniest fraction of his power. However he looked tired after the fight (•Ó©┤_•Ó©┤)?
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Jiren has a Low 2-C feat with the time cage.
You mean when he was able to breake out of Hit's little time cage?That is definetly not low 2-C.
You mean when he was able to breake out of Hit's little time cage?That is definetly not low 2-C.
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It was, according to Vados, a feat of strength that surpasses time.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JY22hZgXQfI
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JY22hZgXQfI
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Her words are not legit,otherwise Hit would've been low 2-C.
Jiren himself doesn't have feats on that level,UI Goku has high 3-A feat that easily scales to Jiren.
Jiren himself doesn't have feats on that level,UI Goku has high 3-A feat that easily scales to Jiren.
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They are she's an already extremely knowledgeable angel, if she was exaggerating, she would have said that about Jiren breaking the time stop.
Hit would not have been low 2-C, it's a last resort from hit, and Jiren was pulling his punches extremely against hit.
Jiren also has that same feat at one of his weakest levels of displayed power.
Hit would not have been low 2-C, it's a last resort from hit, and Jiren was pulling his punches extremely against hit.
Jiren also has that same feat at one of his weakest levels of displayed power.
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The time cage was already discussed,he is not low 2-C.
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Jiren is low 2-C for now.I myself don't agree with it but his rating was discussed numerous times.
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Beerus and Champa's feat is nowhere close to Low 2-C. It's 3-A.JackJoyce said:
Also, im not saying Low 2-C IZ is wrong, but for the arguments using "Supreme Kai, Goku, etc." sensing him in his presence and then sensing Jiren's power to compare them, has the former actually sensed Zamasu when he became the universe or before that? Just want clarification.
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I'm surprised this thread is even really opened. As the thread is slowly going off topic.
ProfessorKukui4Life : "Beerus and Champa's feat is nowhere close to Low 2-C. It's 3-A. "
No. It's only 3-A if we accept that the Universes are all stuck in the same space-time. Some others don't accept this, and thinks the Universe does have their own seperate Space-Time. In that case, It would be a 2-C feat, if one is applying our Tier System.
DMUA "Then why should we rate them as such? Why do we use Dimensional Tiering for verses that don't use it? Isn't that in improper way to rate the statistics of characters if we use a standard of power that, on the grand scheme of things, practically nobody uses?"
Which is a flaw, most certainly. I've never agreed with how we use it, because fiction doesn't really apply the same logic as the tier system does. (Besides the point that the Tier system itself, doesn't make too much sense even from a Real Life point of view). It's like applying something in our world, which doesn't apply to another. If one tries to apply this to a world which doesn't function as such, than it's purely nonsensical. But the damage is already done, there is no way they'll change it.
Now, I think the original question has been answered, from ByAsura. So now the OP has his answer. Anything you would like to add? If not, it's best if we close this.
ProfessorKukui4Life : "Beerus and Champa's feat is nowhere close to Low 2-C. It's 3-A. "
No. It's only 3-A if we accept that the Universes are all stuck in the same space-time. Some others don't accept this, and thinks the Universe does have their own seperate Space-Time. In that case, It would be a 2-C feat, if one is applying our Tier System.
DMUA "Then why should we rate them as such? Why do we use Dimensional Tiering for verses that don't use it? Isn't that in improper way to rate the statistics of characters if we use a standard of power that, on the grand scheme of things, practically nobody uses?"
Which is a flaw, most certainly. I've never agreed with how we use it, because fiction doesn't really apply the same logic as the tier system does. (Besides the point that the Tier system itself, doesn't make too much sense even from a Real Life point of view). It's like applying something in our world, which doesn't apply to another. If one tries to apply this to a world which doesn't function as such, than it's purely nonsensical. But the damage is already done, there is no way they'll change it.
Now, I think the original question has been answered, from ByAsura. So now the OP has his answer. Anything you would like to add? If not, it's best if we close this.
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No, it being stuck in the same space-time or not literally has nothing to do with it not being a tier 2 feat.Algaro said:
It's not Low 2-C, let lone 2-C because space-time was not going to be destroyed and it's a shared feat. This has been detailed in multiple threads already too iirc.
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Does any of this matter? We've been over Low 2-C Jiren so much that it's ridiculous.
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Okay. Let me ask you something. You have a Universe apart from one another. Both in two seperate Space-Times. How does one cross the other on a 3-D scale? Hints, They're not connected from a 3-D distance. The simple answer is: Time would have to have been involved someway, for it to have crossed those two gaps. You cannot just simply cross the gap from a 3-D scale, so your argument doesn't work out. This is why it would be a 2-C feat. Because, Time itself would have to have been involved, one way or another, for it to have affected the other Space-Time. Much less, Destroy them both.
"Space-Time was not going to be destroyed" They never stated it either way. You're just speculating that they wouldn't. And from the answer above: It would have to have done so, if they're indeed, Seperate Space-Time's that's.
And I'm aware, I said the feat itself is 2-C in nature, and not 3-A. (As long as they're not connected physically, on a 3-D plane.) I never said they would be 2-C themselves for Attack Potency, as it was a shared feat.
"Space-Time was not going to be destroyed" They never stated it either way. You're just speculating that they wouldn't. And from the answer above: It would have to have done so, if they're indeed, Seperate Space-Time's that's.
And I'm aware, I said the feat itself is 2-C in nature, and not 3-A. (As long as they're not connected physically, on a 3-D plane.) I never said they would be 2-C themselves for Attack Potency, as it was a shared feat.
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Yeah, you do know that when Beerus and Champa were fighting before Whis and Vados intervened, their fight was slowly destroying the universe? As in, disinegrating a table and a room overtime to dust at best. That right there proves space-time wasn't being destroyed and if anything, makes the claim of "destroying both universes" even more false. It's not speculation. You are the one claiming space-time was effected so you need to prove it.
And even if space-time was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, being destroyed it's still not a 2-C feat. It's taking 2 Low 2-C GoD's to do it, so its basically taking Low 2-C + Low 2-C to equate baseline 2-C destruction.
And even if space-time was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, being destroyed it's still not a 2-C feat. It's taking 2 Low 2-C GoD's to do it, so its basically taking Low 2-C + Low 2-C to equate baseline 2-C destruction.
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You didn't answer my question.
"Their fight was slowly destroying the universe? As in, disinegrating a table and a room overtime to dust at best.
If you were the Writer, and wanted to show the Universe Space-Time was being destroyed, How would you have done so? And if it was that slowly, than I wouldn't be afraid of them destroying it, as it would have literally taken forever for them to have done so if that fight was literally to show how fast it was taking. The only thing I care about, is how they represent the distinction.
"And even if space-time was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, being destroyed it's still not a 2-C feat. It's taking 2 Low 2-C GoD's to do it, so its basically taking Low 2-C + Low 2-C to equate baseline 2-C destruction."
What was this response towards? I said in my previous comment, That it had nothing to do with them being 2-C from this. It's just me saying, it's not a 3-A feat.
And to your saying I need to prove it.... I'll ask again, You have a Universe apart from one another. Both in two seperate Space-Times. How does one cross the other, without affecting Space-Time?
And this is getting really off topic as is, from what the OP was asking for.
"Their fight was slowly destroying the universe? As in, disinegrating a table and a room overtime to dust at best.
If you were the Writer, and wanted to show the Universe Space-Time was being destroyed, How would you have done so? And if it was that slowly, than I wouldn't be afraid of them destroying it, as it would have literally taken forever for them to have done so if that fight was literally to show how fast it was taking. The only thing I care about, is how they represent the distinction.
"And even if space-time was, beyond a shadow of a doubt, being destroyed it's still not a 2-C feat. It's taking 2 Low 2-C GoD's to do it, so its basically taking Low 2-C + Low 2-C to equate baseline 2-C destruction."
What was this response towards? I said in my previous comment, That it had nothing to do with them being 2-C from this. It's just me saying, it's not a 3-A feat.
And to your saying I need to prove it.... I'll ask again, You have a Universe apart from one another. Both in two seperate Space-Times. How does one cross the other, without affecting Space-Time?
And this is getting really off topic as is, from what the OP was asking for.
