Jason and COT Michael needs a downgrade because of comic/novel feats.

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

Some of the this duo's feats come from the novel and comic timelines such as Michael's Class 10 Lifting Strength feats and Jason's Class 5 Lifting Strength and Combat and Reflexes feats. So Michael stands at 9-B but Jason downgrades to 9-B from At Least 9-B.

 

[Abstractions]

I believe @Qawsedf234 can speak on the matter of Jason's feats, if he's available. As for Michael I'm not too knowledgeable on that, I recommend looking for the accounts that have contributed to the article to ask them about it.

 

[Raincutter]

The on;ly non-canon Jason comic I can think of is the Leatherface crossover one. Everything else can be interpreted as taking place between 8-9 or FvJ and Jason X. He has canon novels that should in fact put him at 9B+ with more haxes but I haven't been able to get enough mods to sign off on it.

The youth novels Myers currently has on his timeline are in fact confirmed by the novel to be a separate timeline following from Halloween 1. That explains his different characterization (he grunts and yells a lot) and his different mask.

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

Well according to FT13 Wiki, it's uncanon to the movies, and events of comics weren't uploaded on the timeline events.
About COT Michael, you have already admitted it's an another timeline.

 

[Shmooply]

Do you have better sources than "another wiki said so?"

 

[Qawsedf234]

I believe @Qawsedf234 can speak on the matter of Jason's feats, if he's available. As for Michael I'm not too knowledgeable on that, I recommend looking for the accounts that have contributed to the article to ask them about it.

I can talk.

Basically to summarize the situation, we had a couple threads regarding Halloween and Friday the 13th canon. We couldn't find anything explicit that said the novels or comics were non-canon and they're all officially licensed material so we didn't know if we could dismiss then either. So the canon for both was basically decided that we use a Star Wars Legends style of canon. Which means:

• Films are the primary canon
• Novelizations of the films are canon considering secondar canon and can be used except for parts that contradict the film
• Comics and independent novels are tertiary canon. Meaning if they can't be placed in a film's timeline they cannot be used as evidence

With the above in mind:

• The Rorke novels mention events from Halloween 4 and 5, meaning that they can just happen in the time gap between 5 and 6. Otherwise there weren't any contradictions brough to my memory
• The Jason X novels and comics don't contradict the film since they're sequels that build off the ending
• All of the Halloween and F13 novelizations used for the profiles don't contradict the films and act as supporting evidence
• The Friday the 13th comics can all fit in various time jumps between Friday the 13th Part VIII and IX or Freddy vs Jason and Jason X
• About half of the Friday the 13th novels can fit in the above time jumps, but some are unusable due to direct canon contradictions, so they weren't used
• Leatherface vs Jason was decided as being non-canon due the level of canon contradictions and issue they have

If the OP has like, a solid statement from a source saying "Only the films count and nothing else" I could get that. But I couldn't find anything like that and neither could other people. The wikis taking them as non-canon is perfectly fine and acceptable imo, but they're not official sources and we tend to have a less strict policy on official material anyways.

If the OP thinks some of the sources are non-canon though, I can get that. Though they would need to explain why they would be non-canon.

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

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I can talk.

Basically to summarize the situation, we had a couple threads regarding Halloween and Friday the 13th canon. We couldn't find anything explicit that said the novels or comics were non-canon and they're all officially licensed material so we didn't know if we could dismiss then either. So the canon for both was basically decided that we use a Star Wars Legends style of canon. Which means:

• Films are the primary canon
• Novelizations of the films are canon considering secondar canon and can be used except for parts that contradict the film
• Comics and independent novels are tertiary canon. Meaning if they can't be placed in a film's timeline they cannot be used as evidence

With the above in mind:

• The Rorke novels mention events from Halloween 4 and 5, meaning that they can just happen in the time gap between 5 and 6. Otherwise there weren't any contradictions brough to my memory
• The Jason X novels and comics don't contradict the film since they're sequels that build off the ending
• All of the Halloween and F13 novelizations used for the profiles don't contradict the films and act as supporting evidence
• The Friday the 13th comics can all fit in various time jumps between Friday the 13th Part VIII and IX or Freddy vs Jason and Jason X
• About half of the Friday the 13th novels can fit in the above time jumps, but some are unusable due to direct canon contradictions, so they weren't used
• Leatherface vs Jason was decided as being non-canon due the level of canon contradictions and issue they have

If the OP has like, a solid statement from a source saying "Only the films count and nothing else" I could get that. But I couldn't find anything like that and neither could other people. The wikis taking them as non-canon is perfectly fine and acceptable imo, but they're not official sources and we tend to have a less strict policy on official material anyways.

If the OP thinks some of the sources are non-canon though, I can get that. Though they would need to explain why they would be non-canon.

I don't have enough knowledge about FT13 but I still can talk about Halloween:
Halloween 5 is a direct sequel to Halloween 4 ,I mean it begins with ending of Halloween 4, and possibly sequel novel begins with another plot so timelines cross here. That's why I still think Michael should get a downgrade.

 

[Raincutter]

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I don't have enough knowledge about FT13 but I still can talk about Halloween:
Halloween 5 is a direct sequel to Halloween 4 ,I mean it begins with ending of Halloween 4, and possibly sequel novel begins with another plot so timelines cross here. That's why I still think Michael should get a downgrade.

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SO In current profile of Thorne Timeline Michael Myers there are feats that refer to Kelly O'Rourke books (Scream Factory; The Old Myers Place; Mad House) In particular, these are just supporting feats for Michael abilities and there is another feat from the Scream Factory book that giving to...

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The scans in the video shows that 4 teens died in the novels timeline, so Laurie probably died in 1978 separate timeline and 12 died total that night, he also conducted a massacre in 1987, 1 year before he awoke from the coma in H4, and the author apparently said she only considered the original film when making the novels. That plus the OOC characterization of Michael warrants a separate profile imo

 

[Raincutter]

Also, is there any way sort of way to calculate the various explosions he tanks in the novels? The "earth shaking" one that knocked nearby people down I imagine could probably be 9-A to 8-C.

 

[G.O.A.T_Enjoyer]

Also, is there any way sort of way to calculate the various explosions he tanks in the novels? The "earth shaking" one that knocked nearby people down I imagine could probably be 9-A to 8-C.

Yeah, he should get his own profile. Same such as Jason but as I said I don't have wide knowledge about FT13. Also if we consider hospital room explosion is between wall and building, he should scale to ''Building Level'' or ''At Least Wall Level, likely higher''.