Janemba (Shin Budokai) vs Heaven Ascension Dio

[SSJRyu1]

Figured both have interesting warping powers and the battle could be interesting.

I will say Janemba wins. Dio has similar hax tbh, maybe even more variety, but Janemba is not a glass canon like he is, and has higher AP, durability and speed, and existing over multiple timelines would mean even if Dio can hurt him from one, he can always come back from another.

imo Janemba either warps him away as his AP is higher in warping, or if that doesn't work manifests a body and blitz Dio before he can act leading to a win, or he may even make a duplicate of Dio so they can both fight to the death and kill each other.

Either way I think Janemba takes home the victory as he has many ways to win and can act faster than Dio can, also I can't see dio permanently wiping him out, as Gotenks who could erase cell from a timeline could not even scratch janemba.

Janemba (Shin Budokai) Heaven Ascension Dio

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Heaven Asciension Dio due to haxxes

 

[SSJRyu1]

Heaven Asciension Dio due to haxxes

How so? Janemba is faster and exists on multiple timelines at once as non corporeal form, also he has more power and can also reality warp, time space warp and so on and was unscratched by gotenks who erased cell from the timeline by warping dimensions. What can dio do to defeat him?

Whats stopping Janemba from blitzing him?

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Reality overwrite easily gives him the win even if Janemba exists across time

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

Janemba is not blitzing him sadly his physical body has no speed feats his energy form or whatever is what's nigh omnipresent for existing in multiple timelines .

 

[SSJRyu1]

Reality overwrite easily gives him the win even if Janemba exists across time

Reality overwrite won't work, Janemba can also reality warp things on multi universal levels, and Gotenks erased Cell from the timeline with warping but can't even scratch janemba, also Dio can't overwrite across multiple timelines at once, that is never shown, only one universe, janemba is in multiple alternate ones.

his energy form is still able to use indirect hax, such as reality warping, absorption of dio, possession, making a copy of Dio, all in an instant. He is defiantly blitzing, and even if not he can make a duplicate dio to kill Dio for him.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

No not really warping space and time and having control over reality to degree of rewriting it to your whim aren't one and the same

HAD"s profile says he can rewrite anything in time even across other timelines .

Even if HAD is killed by Janemba the world still rewrites Reality and erases Janembas existence then just rewrites dios death to have never occurred although he does have resurrection so I doubt he'd need.

In any case HAD wins fairly easily due to his haxxes

 

[SSJRyu1]

No not really warping space and time and having control over reality to degree of rewriting it to your whim aren't one and the same

HAD"s profile says he can rewrite anything in time even across other timelines .

Even if HAD is killed by Janemba the world still rewrites Reality and erases Janembas existence then just rewrites dios death to have never occurred although he does have resurrection so I doubt he'd need.

In any case HAD wins fairly easily due to his haxxes

That is taking it out of context, that is meant he can overwrite things in a timeline, not plural timelines at once, that never happens, if he could do that he would be 2C and multi universal range, his range is only universal. Also it won't work as Gotenks can erase cell from the timeline but can't even hurt janemba, and Janemba can also warp reality as well on a higher scale.

Again, he can only rewrite on a universal scale, not multi universal, and if his hands are destroyed he is not able to use abilities. Also he ahs to touch somebody to erase them from existence, he can't touch a non corporeal being.

Also nothing is stopping janemba from absorbing him or possessing him outright in a blitz as both those can be done by non corporeal form, only physical attacks are not doable in that form.

And if all that were to fail again, Janemba can just make a copy of him to kill each other anyway.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

"rewriting the fundamentals of existence"

^ Yeah pretty certain he can actually And Janemba has a physical body as well as the fact that stands are invisible.

The World erases him even if Dio is killed prior to it and Janemba literally can't do a thing to stop it.

Furthermore The world over heaven time stops and its wrap from there tbh even killing Dio won't save him

 

[SSJRyu1]

"rewriting the fundamentals of existence"

^ Yeah pretty certain he can actually And Janemba has a physical body as well as the fact that stands are invisible.

The World erases him even if Dio is killed prior to it and Janemba literally can't do a thing to stop it.

Furthermore The world over heaven time stops and its wrap from there tbh even killing Dio won't save him

no limit fallacy, that is only universal in scope, he cannot erase him over multiple universes at once, he ahs never shown such scope of power, and he hs to touch him to erase him, which he can't do to a non corporeal entity.

janemba can absorb him, posses him, make a copy of him to kill each other and which knows all his knowledge, all while non corporeal with nigh omnipresent speed, all before Dio can act, he can't stop that. Even if he can get a chance to reset the universe, Janemba would still exist in other universes and just come back.

 

[Derpmaster9000]

I say janemba due to being nigh omnipresent

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

janemba seems to have higher stats, and technically, he can create a clon of dio (also cant he just absorb dio?)

i think janemba has an upper hand

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

It's not NFL it's literally what's stated on his profile all of existence in which case the jojo verse has shown to have more than one universe

And again killing Dio will not solve anything the world simply rewrites reality and kills him from there but Dio can come back via ressurection or reality warping the world over heaven is invisible and independent from its user .It stops time or just kills Janemba by rewriting reality and erasing his existence.Even the world simply stopping time gives him the win already and making a clone of him is useless since the world is not also being cloned.

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

I say janemba due to being nigh omnipresent

That's not actual movement speed check his page

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

And yes Janemba has a physical body his profile literally says so...

 

[SomebodyData]

Janemba wins thx to speed

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

That's not speed he is only nigh omnipresent for existing in other timelines like Solaris his actual speed is unknown and he doesn't have any means of winning against Dios independent and invisible stand who can manipulate time and rewrite reality

 

[SomebodyData]

That's not speed he is only nigh omnipresent for existing in other timelines like Solaris his actual speed is unknown and he doesn't have any means of winning against Dios independent and invisible stand who can manipulate time and rewrite reality

The unknown stat is for his copreal form....

Ignoring the fact that nigh-omniprescence isn't what you think it is, it is very likely that Janemba is faster anyways so...

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

The unknown stat is for his copreal form....

Ignoring the fact that nigh-omniprescence isn't what you think it is, it is very likely that Janemba is faster anyways so...

Even his non corporeal form existing across other timelines and not the space and time continuum Solaris exists in all timelines but his movement speed is still FTL

And even with higher speed how's he going to win against the world over heaven? It's invisible,intangible and has time stop and reality overwrite even if Dio dies it will still erase Janemba and Dio won't stay dead thanks to him or his own ressurection Janemba has no means of winning

 

[SomebodyData]

Even his non corporeal form existing across other timelines and not the space and time continuum Solaris exists in all timelines but his movement speed is still FTL

And even with higher speed how's he going to win against the world over heaven? It's invisible,intangible and has time stop and reality overwrite even if Dio dies it will still erase Janemba and Dio won't stay dead thanks to him or his own ressurection Janemba has no means of winning

"However, this power is eventually revealed to suffer from a major drawback; It can only be initiated through The World Over Heaven's fists, meaning that the stand would have to punch something in order to rewrite it." -JoJo Wikia

If Janmeba destroys the universe they're in(Which considering his erratic behavior is likely)... then he won't be able to punch Dio back to life, unless I'm missing something

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

He won't but wouldn't matter in the long run and destroying the universe wouldn't do anything he has dimensional travel to escape easily or he simply time stops off the bat and pretty much wins effortlessly

 

[SomebodyData]

He won't but wouldn't matter in the long run and destroying the universe wouldn't do anything he has dimensional travel to escape easily or he simply time stops off the bat and pretty much wins effortlessly

Not if hes slower than Janemba

 

[CHILLVIBEZZ]

How's he slower than Janemba? Janembas speed is unknown.Existing in multiple timelines has nothing to do with movement speed as I said take Solaris for example.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Oh boy, i hope nobody get's me involved in this. To everyone that doesn't know this, i was the one who made the page. Simple as that.

 

[TheArcosian]

Janemba takes it due higher Stats

 

[SSJRyu1]

It's not NFL it's literally what's stated on his profile all of existence in which case the jojo verse has shown to have more than one universe

And again killing Dio will not solve anything the world simply rewrites reality and kills him from there but Dio can come back via ressurection or reality warping the world over heaven is invisible and independent from its user .It stops time or just kills Janemba by rewriting reality and erasing his existence.Even the world simply stopping time gives him the win already and making a clone of him is useless since the world is not also being cloned.

They mean the universe as creation in this case. They specify his potency as universal scale and range as universal, if he could wipe out multiple ones at once it would have different stats. Show me a scan of him being able to wipe out more than one universe or he can't.

The world cannot resurrect him if he is not there to touch, and Janemba would instantly warp him out of existence, absorb him, posses him or whatever he wants, even his corporeal body is way faster than a super beefed up 2C gotenks who he outruns in the game, and he can just create a duplicate of Dio if he wanted to and they would defeat each other.

Janemba's non corporeal form btw just can't physically attack, it is and has done the hax, it does the warping and so on by itself, so all that stuff is attached to nigh omnipresent speed stat. Just physical striking and such is attached to the unknown, which is at least higher than a much stronger than normal Gotenks, but is unknown since the speed depends on who he copies, and how for his main form much energy he puts into it.

Also, and I can't stress this enough, he can't touch janemba to erase him as he is non corporeal, and even if he could Janemba would still exist in other timelines and could just come back.

Janemba is stronger, faster, WAY more durable, can hax dio instantly away before he can act, Dio can't actually remove him on a multi universal scale like he has to, or at all while he is non corporeal, and Janemba can even just make a duplicate of Dio to kill each other, while he feeds of Dio's evil energy only becoming stronger the entire battle.

Also worth noting, th more evil a person is, the more control janemba has over them and the easier it is for him to posses them or control them, so Dio who is extremely evil will be like an energy drink for janemba to feed off of and manipulate to his will.

So yeah, I think Janemba has this in the bag.

 

[Promestein]

I'm pretttttty sure this is a stomp, given that Dio is Low 2-C and Janemba is 2-C, not even counting all the advantages Janemba has anyways. I'm not all that surprised that you made this thread immediately upon his page being made, but stick to enemies within his tiering, okay? Like Hades or something.

Closing this.