Janemba (Shin budokai) vs Anti-Spiral

[SSJRyu1]

Note Janemba starts in his true non corporeal form, his body is simply a manifestation he can create from that.

Well, the battle should be interesting. I will lean toward janemba for Hax and speed. He either posses, absorbs, time dump BFR him to another timeline before he can act. Or he could make a clone of the Anti spiral and just let them kill each other.

Either way he has speed and hax advantage ftw.


Anti Spiral

 

[SSJRyu1]

Anybody else wanna weigh in? I'd like to know what others think.

 

[The_Living_Tribunal1]

tbh i think that SB janemba will win, high stats+ insane hax to match (if not exceed) AS hax

 

[SSJRyu1]

^Agreed.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

If Gogeta can beat him so what does make him stand a chance against the anti spiral?

 

[Lejon123!]

this is shin budokai and it was beacuse the nature of gogetas powers

 

[SSJRyu1]

If Gogeta can beat him so what does make him stand a chance against the anti spiral?

This is not the normal Janemba, it is a much more powerful version, take a look at his profile. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Janemba_(Shin_Budokai)

He has many more hax and is a nigh-omnipresent, mutli universal non corporeal being that is all evil energy over multiple timelines.

So speed wise he takes it, hax wise he could absorb him, dump him into another timeline for BFR or posses him, or even make a duplicate of the anti spiral to fight to death with it. So yeah, better hax and speed, as well as power on multi universal level is why I think this version wins against Anti-spiral.

 

[Primaris_Brian]

this is shin budokai and it was beacuse the nature of gogetas powers

can you explain about gogeta power?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

If Gogeta can beat him so what does make him stand a chance against the anti spiral?

This is not the normal Janemba, it is a much more powerful version, take a look at his profile.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Janemba_(Shin_Budokai)

He has many more hax and is a nigh-omnipresent, mutli universal non corporeal being that is all evil energy over multiple timelines.

So speed wise he takes it, hax wise he could absorb him, dump him into another timeline for BFR or posses him, or even make a duplicate of the anti spiral to fight to death with it. So yeah, better hax and speed, as well as power on multi universal level is why I think this version wins against Anti-spiral.

Ok but in this Janemba profile he still been say he got defeted by super gogeta?

 

[SSJRyu1]

Gogeta's power purifies evil, which Janemba is, and also in shin buidokai they are vastly stronger to, Gotenks for example can warp multiple dimensions with raw power to erase an amped Cell from existence in their timeline, yet he can't even scratch Janemba with repeated attacks. So even the Z fighters are likely multi universal attack potency.

 

[Lejon123!]

actually i did wanna post that but nbm

 

[SSJRyu1]

Soryy for cutting in on it. What's NBM?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

Gogeta's power purifies evil, which Janemba is, and also in shin buidokai they are vastly stronger to, Gotenks for example can warp multiple dimensions with raw power to erase an amped Cell from existence in their timeline, yet he can't even scratch Janemba with repeated attacks. So even the Z fighters are likely multi universal attack potency.

well but the problem is the anti spiral can copy any spiral being in his universe/multiverse, of course janemba is not an spiral being but this is kinda like the argument sharingan can only be fought by chakra user, which only naruto verse is the one who have chakra, so I think for the sake of fair fight janemba can also be consider as spiral being, since in the gurren lagann verse they are only two type of being, the anti spiral and spiral race.

 

[Lejon123!]

i mean nvm

 

[SSJRyu1]

ehhh, I dunno about that. Janemba is a non corporeal being, as in it has no body in it's true form, it is just evil energy that exists everywhere. I don't think Anti Spiral has ever been able to copy something like that, only physical forms, also they don't copy them exactly, they make themselves similar to them, also Janemba is nigh-omnipresent, so he will be able to act before the Anti Spiral can even try to use his techniques since Anti Spiral is only mftl+, and if he time dumps anti spiral to another timeline and time, or absorbs it, or posses it any of those would be game over, and of course like I said he could make a duplicate of it to if all else failed.

 

[SSJRyu1]

i mean nvm

thoughts on the match?

 

[Primaris_Brian]

ehhh, I dunno about that. Janemba is a non corporeal being, as in it has no body in it's true form, it is just evil energy that exists everywhere. I don't think Anti Spiral has ever been able to copy something like that, only physical forms, also they don't copy them exactly, they make themselves similar to them, also Janemba is nigh-omnipresent, so he will be able to act before the Anti Spiral can even try to use his techniques since Anti Spiral is only mftl+, and if he time dumps anti spiral to another timeline and time, or absorbs it, or posses it any of those would be game over, and of course like I said he could make a duplicate of it to if all else failed.

Well janemba cannot directly attack in his pure energy body and the anti spiral is basically possibly Omnipresent in their own realm.

 

[SSJRyu1]

Well janemba cannot directly attack in his pure energy body and the anti spiral is basically possibly Omnipresent in their own realm.

Well he's not in his own realm in this battle is the thing, it is a neutral place, so he would have the mftl+ stat as opposed to the possibly omnipresent one. And Actually Janemba can only not physically attack directly is what that is there for as he needs a body to strike things, he can still use all his hax as his energy form like time dump bfr, time space and reality warping, absorption, possession, making duplicates and does so in the game and does these things with no body, so I don't see how Anti Spiral will stop those hax when he is outclassed in speed as well especially, since to my knowledge he has not been shown to be immune to all those things.

Also I don't know as if he is able to actually destroy a non corporeal being that is everywhere across multiple timelines.

I thnk Speed and hax are just to good on Janemba for AS to win this one.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

Anti spiral wins by via multiversal labyrinth

Janemba can't do anything in his non corporeal form and is way slower

 

[SSJRyu1]

Anti spiral wins by via multiversal labyrinth

Janemba can't do anything in his non corporeal form and is way slower

I already told you that he can utilise all his hax in non corporeal form and is nigh omnipresent over multiple timelines, whether you agree or not it is fact, and his stats are made that way on his profile because it was the decision myself and several mods came to. Stop trying to derail the threads by claiming his stats are wrong. Use the given stats. Open your own thread if you want to argue them.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

When did he use anything in his non corporeal form? Gogeta even said we should be safe for now until he solidifies again.Evil energy only creates fake Janembas and 1 at a time that's like saying Naruto is nigh omnipresent for cloning himself.But even with it as I said before his non corporeal form is harmless for the most part ,his range of creating fake Janembas is limited and he doesn't have the means of winning I'm not derailing I'm just stating the truth but K.

 

[SSJRyu1]

When did he use anything in his non corporeal form? Gogeta even said we should be safe for now until he solidifies again.Evil energy only creates fake Janembas and 1 at a time that's like saying Naruto is nigh omnipresent for cloning himself.But even with it as I said before his non corporeal form is harmless for the most part ,his range of creating fake Janembas is limited and he doesn't have the means of winning I'm not derailing I'm just stating the truth but K.

He absorbs Buu as non corporeal form, he moves Gohan from a past timeline to the present timeline with non corporeal form, he is doing all the warping of the timelines as non corporeal form, He controls Gohan as non Coporeal form, he generates duplicates of others while in non corporeal form, literally all his hax get done in non corporeal form even more than his body form. The only thing he can't logically do in non corporeal form is strike or physically hit people directly, but he can generate a body or duplicate of them instantly in front of them to do it for him.

Gogeta only said that since Janemba brought most of the evil energy in the area into that body and they destroyed it so most of the evil energy is gone at that point in that area.

The evil energy can make more than one being at a time, they had a Janemba in Hell, and one on Earth as well as many villains being resurrected constantly and powered up, as well as having Vegta and GOhan under Janemab's possession all at once, and all the timelines were being warped the whole time to.

His range was literally all over the living and dead dimensions as well as other timelines, all at once, he was effecting it all simultaneously.

I think the issue is you seem to be assuming he is only a body or a few clouds, when in reality those are only just small parts of him, his full self is all the evil energy, sins, bad deeds, negativity, all that stuff across multiple timelines, it is literally everywhere at once and we see this since he is influencing and warping all this stuff at once without even having a body out.

I don't know how to better explain it so hopefully that helps, but the stats reflect the decisions made based on the above info, so please just use the given stats.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

1.When did he absorb Majin buu as purple clouds he fought buu and had a physical body last time I checked?...

2.False Gogeta said they be okay until Janemba solidifies again

3.Something I already know even Gogeta said that Janembas energy was in more than one place in the beginning.But in every location 1 Janemba impostor forms.

4.He was warping time and space simultaneously but he never appeared in other timelines last time I checked? If so then a link of it?

There is no issue I know the game and what went down for the most part and Janembas nigh omnipresence isn't even valid but even assuming it was why would it matter when he's just floating clouds Gogeta ignored?

 

[SSJRyu1]

1.When did he absorb Majin buu as purple clouds he fought buu and had a physical body last time I checked?...

2.False Gogeta said they be okay until Janemba solidifies again

3.Something I already know even Gogeta said that Janembas energy was in more than one place in the beginning.But in every location 1 Janemba impostor forms.

4.He was warping time and space simultaneously but he never appeared in other timelines last time I checked? If so then a link of it?

There is no issue I know the game and what went down for the most part and Janembas nigh omnipresence isn't even valid but even assuming it was why would it matter when he's just floating clouds Gogeta ignored?

I will try to answer these questions but afterward I respectfully would ask you to stop repeating things over and over as it is making the thread unnecessarily long.

1. he pulls in buu and the duplicate Vegito body as smoke and adds them together with the energy to form a body, he was not present as a body at that point.

2. No, Pikon states they should be OK for now since the energy has dissipated from that area after they beat a body of his.

3. No, it was literally everywhere as it is what is warping all the dimensions controlling people, allowing the dead to be resurrected so on, it is literally everywhere, those spots are where it is strongest and most concentrated is all.

4. he pulled Gohan out of his own timeline and it is said that the evil energy is warping the timelines hence it is in the timelines to warp said timelines, it's effects can be felt all across the timelines.

Look, you clearly would rather think your correct than accept the decisions made for the profile as well as the facts I gave to you, so you have said your peace, now please stop clogging up the thread and insisting the stats are not as stated in the profile. Unless you have new info to provide your stance has been noted but anything more is just making the thread unnecessarily long.

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

Sure

1.Link?

2.No Gogeta said they should be okay until he solidified again I just saw the scene.

3. I saw nothing of the sort anywhere link to that also?

4.He pulled gohan out of his timeline? Didn't they go through time slips and it obviously effects other timelines but he never appeared in other timelines that was my point.

Yeah sure I'm done after this

 

[SSJRyu1]

Sure

1.Link?

2.No Gogeta said they should be okay until he solidified again I just saw the scene.

3. I saw nothing of the sort anywhere link to that also?

4.He pulled gohan out of his timeline? Didn't they go through time slips and it obviously effects other timelines but he never appeared in other timelines that was my point.

Yeah sure I'm done after this

1. Pulls them in like smoke.

http://i.imgur.com/77Haux9.jpg

 http://i.imgur.com/0Lamd2Q.jpg

2. Because they are not around the evil energy in that area as it had dissipated.

3. Heaven, Hell living world and other timelines are all ensnared and connected and being warped simultaneously.

http://i.imgur.com/IlOuotl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/wTCByx5.jpg http://i.imgur.com/mprU17P.jpg

4. In this case, Gohan was dreaming actually in the past and he is torn from his dream and brought to the physical world of the present timeline. Here is the list of scans that talk about the time distortions ad other various things. http://imgur.com/a/81SR4

 

[Shanks_of_the_red_haired_pirates]

1.Pulls them in like IT WAS a smoke so no he was not in his non corporeal form.

2.Um sure why not...

3.Dont have to refute this other timelines is not even mentioned..

4.Alright

 

[SSJRyu1]

1.Pulls them in like IT WAS a smoke so no he was not in his non corporeal form.

2.Um sure why not...

3.Dont have to refute this other timelines is not even mentioned..

4.Alright

I already explained all this above, if you can't see it not much more I can do for you. Regardless go by what the profile states from now on for future comments.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

I think Janemba wins only for speed advantage and durability advantage but if Anti-Spiral is in his realm it will help just idk if he exist in multiple timelines for being in his realm is not then anti-spiral loses if but the hax depends I think Janemba has better hax so he probably still wins though barely imho

 

[AllanSaiyan]

I think Janemba wins this via speed and AP and durability as for Anti-Spiral if he is in his own realm then it might be a bit of trouble for janemba but overall Janemba wins with difficulties.

 

[孫悟空Son_Goku孫悟空]

Janemba wins via hax

And superior speed DC Durability

 

[SomebodyData]

Janemba should win via speed and hax.... and ap.... and dura.....

 

[SSJRyu1]

Alright, I think the majority place janemba as the winner of this so I will request it be added to the profiles.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I'm gonna give it to Red J for what everyone else stated above. Janemba's really winning battles recently. Only one where it's being still debated is vs. Arceus.

 

[Alexcar3000]

Ok, Janemba is incorporeal, right? That means that destroying his physical just makes him revert into purple clouds, and then he could try possess the Anti-Spiral, but the Anti-Spiral could still damage Janemba by manipulating the probabilities of attacking an incorporeal being and make it a 100% chance, but Janemba is way, way faster (Nigh-Omnipresent Vs. Immeasurable) and could to it before the Anti-Spiral could do it, and if Janemba can still attack while in his incorporeal form (which I believe he can), then his higher AP (2-C, possibly higher) can also kill the Anti-Spiral.