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I have finally returned to finish the project of the Jackie Chan Adventures verse, which I think is lackluster mainly since it might’ve been made in a period when the VS Battles Wiki was still developing. I figure I want to completely revamp the profiles, and give it a good aesthetic look filled with feats and scans. I also want to make many profiles for the verse, but first I want to settle the actual scaling before I apply these changes.
I also made an entire large blog on the numerous feats Jackie has performed. But I need the scaling to be accepted first.
We have to take these people/objects into account: The Main Cast, The Demon Sorcerers, The Talismans; because that’s where most of the feats come from.
The talisman itself has feats to support its scales to the main cast and not.
Support Feats:
Anti Feats:
There was less to gague than I remember. Also to note I realized the only anti feat is when Shendu used the pig talisman. Which makes sense considering the Tiger Talisman is the glue to bind all the talismans together, and with Jackie’s statements of “The power of one is nothing compared to all twelve” I think the Pig Talisman would be stronger there.
So with that, I would say the Main Cast scale to the Pig Talisman
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Even more than the Pig Talisman from what I can recall, there are far more feats to pin against each other if they scale to the cast or not.
Support Feat:
Mischanellous:
- Po Kong who is Shendu level in durability, is merely annoyed by the Dragon Talisman
It’s 2:2
So I think what would be best is the main cast don’t scale to any of the Dragon Talisman higher end feats. But they have a tier where they do scale.
But we have to take in scaling to the higher tiers.
One of the anti feats as discussed is where they blow a hole in Shendu’s chest. But there’s also a feat where they Jade tries blasting Po Kong and it just annoys her. And Shendu scales to her in that same episode.
So here’s what I’m thinking for example.
Dragon Talisman Tier: Varies from At least “Main Cast Tier” (Can harm Main Cast member), likely “Higher level”
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The Ox Talisman is incredibly mixed when coming to scaling to the cast or not. I like to think of it as the perfect middle ground to the scaling between the main cast and higher tiers like Shendu.
Support Feats:
Ox Talisman users while upscaling, should still in some way scale to the main cast. While scaling to the higher tiers simultaneously. Some feats like Jade kicking Tohru and collapsing that building will have the maincast backscale from it, and maybe feats of around the same calibre as well
Should look like: Varies from “At least Main Cast Tier”, likely up to “Shendu Tier”
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Additionally we should note. Does the Ox Talisman scale to durability?
Not exactly.
It seems when someone has the Ox Talisman, they can block and clash with attacks which is shown where Captain Black with the Ox can clash attacks and is unharmed by blocking from those on that level like the Sumo Shadowkhan and one of the Oni’s. But they are mostly a glass canon:
- Viper kicks Chow with the Ox Talisman, he is harmed and sent flying as if he didn’t have it
Let’s say because Jackie uses them: At leat [Main Cast level], “higher” or even up to [[Shendu Tier]] via blocking (The Ox Talisman can provide users with super strength to block attacks with those on his level. However they do not have the durability of the Ox Talisman themselves)
Jackie has some abilities to add:
- Enhanced Senses (Dodged a hit from Viper without even looking. Can fight and parry attacks while on a phone, more than, twice. Can dodge incoming obstacles just by the sound)
If this is accepted, I will make a blog that brings up all of these same points, and have it linked and named the “Jackie Chan Adventures Scaling Blog”
Just to address the inconsistencies so that it doesn’t confuse anyone when looking at the profiles.[/SPOILER]
I also made an entire large blog on the numerous feats Jackie has performed. But I need the scaling to be accepted first.
Attack Potency:
We have to establish namely the categories, what calculations will scale to what character, and the such.We have to take these people/objects into account: The Main Cast, The Demon Sorcerers, The Talismans; because that’s where most of the feats come from.
Main Cast:
Jackie is the main central scaling to all the main cast of characters. His AP and Durability scale to each other as he can harm people who can harm him. Most of the characters scale to Jackie.
In the calculation I also noted people like Lo Pei and Daolon Wong scaling to the main cast, they have notable feats like blowing up bank vaults. And yes. Lo Pei’s scrolls while stronger than the main cast usually, Jackie has managed to shrug off two of these attacks without any injuries and without even being setback that much. While Daolon Wong and Uncle’s magical blasts are evenly matched, and numerous characters (Jackie, Tohru, Uncle himself, Ice Crew, Shadowkhan), there’s a lot more to count. Heck even Jade, took an attack from Iso using the Arcanium a magical orb that boosted his power by so much that Uncle's magical blasts weren’t capable of piercing his shields. Uncle Blowfish even deflected a lightning strike
So yeah, no real changes here. They all scale to each other.
In the calculation I also noted people like Lo Pei and Daolon Wong scaling to the main cast, they have notable feats like blowing up bank vaults. And yes. Lo Pei’s scrolls while stronger than the main cast usually, Jackie has managed to shrug off two of these attacks without any injuries and without even being setback that much. While Daolon Wong and Uncle’s magical blasts are evenly matched, and numerous characters (Jackie, Tohru, Uncle himself, Ice Crew, Shadowkhan), there’s a lot more to count. Heck even Jade, took an attack from Iso using the Arcanium a magical orb that boosted his power by so much that Uncle's magical blasts weren’t capable of piercing his shields. Uncle Blowfish even deflected a lightning strike
So yeah, no real changes here. They all scale to each other.
The Demon Sorcercers:
The Demon Sorcerers are a bit of an odd case here.
Here is the clip where the Demons are fighting each other since this is where most of their scaling comes from. (https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:DemonsFightEachOtherJCA.mp4)
Let’s take the weakest Demon Sorcerer, Hsi Wu the Sky Demon. Someone who has struggled to even wrestle Jackie. He has impressive durability as he can shrug off attacks quite easily from Jackie, but he can even be hurt by those like Jade. His attacks can harm but not to a great extent; Tohru and Jackie. He also withstood a lightning blast from Tchang Tzu. But he has performed an incredibly impressive feat, he is implied to have thrown two large rocks at Dai Gui and Tso Lan, and incapacitated them as they were incapable.
Bai Tza is probably the most consistent demon sorcerer. She is physically imposing to both Jackie and Tohru and has LS implied to be superior to Tohru as he can not hold Jackie down. Her head tentacles however are only around Jackie’s level as Jackie can restrain them. Bai Tza also knocked down and incapacitated Tchang Tzu by slamming into him from behind, which is only inconsistent because of Tchang Tzu himself.
Tchang Tzu is a very weird oddball case. His lightning I can confirm is only around the main cast level, he wields natural lightning as I discussed here. His lightning was incapable of putting down Tohru and El Toro, Hsi Wu could take his lightning blast, but DJ Fist who held a portion of his powers was incapable of killing El Toro with it when he struck him with said lightning. But his durability is actually where the inconsistency bleeds, he withstands and gets up from an Ox Talisman-powered kick by Jackie in the same episode where the Ox Talisman harms Shendu and Po Kong. But as I discussed previously with Bai Tza, who is physically on Tohru’s level, was able to incapacitate him with a slam. Tchang Tzu’s durability isn’t shown much, so those are the major two.
Xiao Fung doesn’t have a profile, but we don’t have a physical gague from any feats other than him physically threatening to harm Jackie.
Tso Lan like Xiao Fung lacks physical feats other than threatening to harm Jackie, he physically contended but was overpowered by El Toro who is a Tohru strength fighter. He also tried to attack a 20 FT Jackie who was harming Shendu, and Jackie found him dangerous enough to dodge him. But that seems too lackluster. His durability is also much like Tchang Tzu, not consistent. I don’t think he was being harmed by El Toro, it seems his grunts were supposed to show he was struggling rather than being harmed. But on the other hand, he simultaneously has scaled to Dai Gui and might not be durability-wise. As he withstood a rock slam from Hsi Wu that also incapacitated Dai Gui in the same sequence, but at the same time. Hsi Wu usually isn’t even that high. The weirdest one is his gravity powers when used offensively, he could knock out El Toro and harm Jackie yes. But in the episode where the demons scuffle with each other, his gravity power throws Po Kong back and dazzles her, basically incapacitating her. Which is a HUGE jump in the scaling.
Dai Gui is portrayed as a complete one-shotter to Jackie and requires superhuman armor to harm Dai Gui. So Dai Gui is very clearly far above the main cast. His only anti-feat is having a big rock thrown by Hsi Wu that incaps him out, which is more so implied. Shendu also stated in a flattery that he is the “burliest of brothers” which indicates he is up there as one of the most physically imposing which makes sense as he is Shendu’s size. On the same account, it’s revealed in the Season 2 Demon Arc finale that if Jackie grew to 20 feet he would then be capable of harming him. Dai Gui is a rock person of the same height which implies he can harm him as well.
Po Kong seems much more straightforward. Her chi was able to enhance Tohru to immense sizes to an incomparable extent. So Po Kong is usually incomparable compared to Tohru, and she was able to one-shot Jackie. Po Kong can harm Hsi Wu with a flick. Her durability is being able to shrug off the Dragon Talisman, and also getting up from a blow dealt by the Ox Talisman which harmed Jackie in the same episode.
So this is picking apart inconsistencies and changing up their rating.
Hsi Wu: So for someone whose debut episode kind of has him in the ballpark of only the main cast, I think there should be no reason to assume there’s much merit to him scaling to Dai Gui despite that feat. But it’s notable. So I think he should be “Main Cast Tier”, likely “higher”
Bai Tza has nothing different to her.
Tchang Tzu. His physical and lightning blasts should be “Main Cast Tier” and his own feats. However, his durability should be because of a feat scaling to Shendu/Po Kong, and another feat that scales him only to the main cast. He should have Varies from “Main Cast Tier”, likely “Shendu/Po Kong Tier”
Xiao Fung when his profile is created, his physical tier is the main cast.
Tso Lan should have the AP on the level of the main cast. His durability is odd because he has the scaling potential to Dai Gui but it’s literally from someone who’s only on the level of the main cast or an outlier. So I’ll make it notable, but no. His durability will get “Main Cast level”, likely “higher.” And finally his gravity manipulation powers, he has two feats of only being able to harm Jackie and El Toro, and another one where he harms someone as durable as Po Kong. So I think Varies from “Main Cast level”, possibly “Po Kong/Shendu level”
And Dai Gui. They should simply scale much much stronger than any main cast member for his physical tier, so if any of his feats gets his own tier, he gets his own tier. And based on the justifications earlier him being the burliest although likely due to flattery as Shendu wanted to appease him. And with Jackie being 20FT showing scaling to Shendu, I think it’s implied Dai Gui is on that sort of level as well. So “Far Stronger than Main Cast” possibly “Shendu level”
Po Kong’s durability and AP should be distinguished. Because we haven’t seen her AP anywhere near that. She like Dai Gui should be far stronger than main cast, as she can harm Hsi Wu with a flick, one-shot Bai Tza, and would’ve one-shot Jackie. Her durability should be easily Ox Talisman and Dragon Talisman level. She was briefly knocked out by the Ox, and she was more bothered than hurt by the Dragon Talisman which vaporized a wall in the same episode. The Ox Talisman was able to hurt Shendu in the same episode. So her durability is “Shendu level”, while AP is “Far above the main cast”
Here is the clip where the Demons are fighting each other since this is where most of their scaling comes from. (https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:DemonsFightEachOtherJCA.mp4)
Let’s take the weakest Demon Sorcerer, Hsi Wu the Sky Demon. Someone who has struggled to even wrestle Jackie. He has impressive durability as he can shrug off attacks quite easily from Jackie, but he can even be hurt by those like Jade. His attacks can harm but not to a great extent; Tohru and Jackie. He also withstood a lightning blast from Tchang Tzu. But he has performed an incredibly impressive feat, he is implied to have thrown two large rocks at Dai Gui and Tso Lan, and incapacitated them as they were incapable.
Bai Tza is probably the most consistent demon sorcerer. She is physically imposing to both Jackie and Tohru and has LS implied to be superior to Tohru as he can not hold Jackie down. Her head tentacles however are only around Jackie’s level as Jackie can restrain them. Bai Tza also knocked down and incapacitated Tchang Tzu by slamming into him from behind, which is only inconsistent because of Tchang Tzu himself.
Tchang Tzu is a very weird oddball case. His lightning I can confirm is only around the main cast level, he wields natural lightning as I discussed here. His lightning was incapable of putting down Tohru and El Toro, Hsi Wu could take his lightning blast, but DJ Fist who held a portion of his powers was incapable of killing El Toro with it when he struck him with said lightning. But his durability is actually where the inconsistency bleeds, he withstands and gets up from an Ox Talisman-powered kick by Jackie in the same episode where the Ox Talisman harms Shendu and Po Kong. But as I discussed previously with Bai Tza, who is physically on Tohru’s level, was able to incapacitate him with a slam. Tchang Tzu’s durability isn’t shown much, so those are the major two.
Xiao Fung doesn’t have a profile, but we don’t have a physical gague from any feats other than him physically threatening to harm Jackie.
Tso Lan like Xiao Fung lacks physical feats other than threatening to harm Jackie, he physically contended but was overpowered by El Toro who is a Tohru strength fighter. He also tried to attack a 20 FT Jackie who was harming Shendu, and Jackie found him dangerous enough to dodge him. But that seems too lackluster. His durability is also much like Tchang Tzu, not consistent. I don’t think he was being harmed by El Toro, it seems his grunts were supposed to show he was struggling rather than being harmed. But on the other hand, he simultaneously has scaled to Dai Gui and might not be durability-wise. As he withstood a rock slam from Hsi Wu that also incapacitated Dai Gui in the same sequence, but at the same time. Hsi Wu usually isn’t even that high. The weirdest one is his gravity powers when used offensively, he could knock out El Toro and harm Jackie yes. But in the episode where the demons scuffle with each other, his gravity power throws Po Kong back and dazzles her, basically incapacitating her. Which is a HUGE jump in the scaling.
Dai Gui is portrayed as a complete one-shotter to Jackie and requires superhuman armor to harm Dai Gui. So Dai Gui is very clearly far above the main cast. His only anti-feat is having a big rock thrown by Hsi Wu that incaps him out, which is more so implied. Shendu also stated in a flattery that he is the “burliest of brothers” which indicates he is up there as one of the most physically imposing which makes sense as he is Shendu’s size. On the same account, it’s revealed in the Season 2 Demon Arc finale that if Jackie grew to 20 feet he would then be capable of harming him. Dai Gui is a rock person of the same height which implies he can harm him as well.
Po Kong seems much more straightforward. Her chi was able to enhance Tohru to immense sizes to an incomparable extent. So Po Kong is usually incomparable compared to Tohru, and she was able to one-shot Jackie. Po Kong can harm Hsi Wu with a flick. Her durability is being able to shrug off the Dragon Talisman, and also getting up from a blow dealt by the Ox Talisman which harmed Jackie in the same episode.
So this is picking apart inconsistencies and changing up their rating.
Hsi Wu: So for someone whose debut episode kind of has him in the ballpark of only the main cast, I think there should be no reason to assume there’s much merit to him scaling to Dai Gui despite that feat. But it’s notable. So I think he should be “Main Cast Tier”, likely “higher”
Bai Tza has nothing different to her.
Tchang Tzu. His physical and lightning blasts should be “Main Cast Tier” and his own feats. However, his durability should be because of a feat scaling to Shendu/Po Kong, and another feat that scales him only to the main cast. He should have Varies from “Main Cast Tier”, likely “Shendu/Po Kong Tier”
Xiao Fung when his profile is created, his physical tier is the main cast.
Tso Lan should have the AP on the level of the main cast. His durability is odd because he has the scaling potential to Dai Gui but it’s literally from someone who’s only on the level of the main cast or an outlier. So I’ll make it notable, but no. His durability will get “Main Cast level”, likely “higher.” And finally his gravity manipulation powers, he has two feats of only being able to harm Jackie and El Toro, and another one where he harms someone as durable as Po Kong. So I think Varies from “Main Cast level”, possibly “Po Kong/Shendu level”
And Dai Gui. They should simply scale much much stronger than any main cast member for his physical tier, so if any of his feats gets his own tier, he gets his own tier. And based on the justifications earlier him being the burliest although likely due to flattery as Shendu wanted to appease him. And with Jackie being 20FT showing scaling to Shendu, I think it’s implied Dai Gui is on that sort of level as well. So “Far Stronger than Main Cast” possibly “Shendu level”
Po Kong’s durability and AP should be distinguished. Because we haven’t seen her AP anywhere near that. She like Dai Gui should be far stronger than main cast, as she can harm Hsi Wu with a flick, one-shot Bai Tza, and would’ve one-shot Jackie. Her durability should be easily Ox Talisman and Dragon Talisman level. She was briefly knocked out by the Ox, and she was more bothered than hurt by the Dragon Talisman which vaporized a wall in the same episode. The Ox Talisman was able to hurt Shendu in the same episode. So her durability is “Shendu level”, while AP is “Far above the main cast”
Main Two Demon Sorcerers:
Namely Drago and ShenduLet’s talk about Drago. His fire breath is incredibly questionable. It’s portrayed as a one-shot consistently. But his fire breath cannot incredibly harm and is portrayed as a nonlethal blast to transformed Dragons of the Dark Hand and Ice Crew due to their resistance to fire powers. It also makes me question if the “one-shot” is only because of the fact it’s a fire rather than the AP itself. Because Drago's fire breath didn’t blast through a bunch of rocks, DJ Fist was able to physically. Or the fact that Drago physically was able to deflect a fireball launched by StrikeMasterIce who had a portion of Drago’s fire powers.
I think because of the one-shot narratively, but also these possible counterarguments that it’s more so the fire rather than the AP. I think Drago’s AP of the Firebreath should only possibly scale to the cast but is regularly far above it. On another occasion, he was able to stun a Tohru who was possessing Po Kong’s chi who is far above the main cast, and it seems he wasn’t growing anymore and was at his peak. I think the way to look at this, is I don’t think we can use it for his fire attack “This AP only deals lower AP to those with fire resistance” Not sure if that can work
There’s also another feat to have the fire breath far upscale from. Drago pierces a Section 13 submarine with one fireball blast, which is capable of fighting a super giant crab that had a difficult time piercing a hole. Uncle implied his regular magic wouldn’t work on the giant grab. It’s a little hard to say since they were underwater as well though.
It’s also implied that Shendu in Valmont's body had this same demon chi, and was able to vaporize Bai Tza who is on Jackie and Tohru’s level. Although she’s made of water, so that’s probably a reason why. So this may apply to Shendu in Valmont’s body as well.
So I think Drago’s Firebreath should only possibly scale to the main cast. So his first key would look like. Varies from “Scales to Main Cast Feats to Fire Breath AP”, likely “higher (Implications of othe ne-shotting cast, potential scaling to Po Kong, and is comparable to vaporizing Bai Tza)
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And we also have Drago enhanced with all the powers of the demons. I’ve seen some people argue that Drago only has a portion of each of the demon's chi.
Let’s look at the quote Tohru gives.
“Thousands of years ago, an immortal warrior used the magical fan to defeat Xiao Fung the wind demon. But traces of the wind demons' power were rumored to have clung to the fan throughout the centuries.” It shows that the fan turned the Demons into a chi orb. Video here.
Uncle also commented in another episode, that the demon chi will turn people INTO the demons themselves. Such with a character like Larry who grabbed and was possessed by the Earth Demon Chi, and was growing more alike to Dai Gui as time went on. Uncle named it a transformation. The Demon Chi like the fan did, chi as the show describes is a life force. So it makes sense if the orbs Drago grabbed were as strong as the original chi considering it derives from a fan that turns the demons into chi orbs.
Another is capabilities, every time the Demon abilities are shown in the season they can compare to the Demon Sorcerers themselves. Drago summoned a larger tsunami, Mrs Hartman with Hsi Wu are similar in size and strength. Drago was able to summon lightning and control the weather.
Another is the fact that due to combining all 8 demon powers, he gathered stronger abilities altogether. He was able to fly without wings, he envisioned a world where he turns it “inside out” which includes the moon being destroyed in half. His lightning and wind destructive capabilities seem to be on a whole new level, as they are shown to compete with Shendu with all twelve talismans. And most importantly, it’s stated that no known spell can remove Drago’s powers. This is coming from Shendu who knew of the 8 immortals who turned them into chi orbs, which suggests that Drago is much stronger than any of them regularly.
So because of this, I believe “all 8 demon powers” is also a reference to the talismans of what Jackie says when “The power of a single talisman is nothing to the combination of all twelve.”
This leads me to believe that Drago upscales from basically all demon sorcerers and they don’t scale. Except Shendu, because Drago’s “fire chi” isn’t linked to Shendu’s physical capabilities as a dragon.
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Shendu and also a commentary on the higher tiers in general. There are some anti-feats for him. While Shendu is regularly portrayed as being able to one-shot Jackie. There have been some slip-ups. Jackie survived being body-checked by him, although in the same episodes, it’s portrayed that if Jackie hadn’t moved from being punched by him, he would’ve died. Not sure if this is a hit or not. Jackie also punches Shendu and knocks him out for a bit who had all twelve talismans,
Despite these feats, I wouldn’t scale Jackie to him. It’s already labeled on his profile “Main Cast Tier, likely higher” with higher being his scaling to Shendu.
I don’t think they should scale to Shendu considering the feat discrepancy, and the fact that Jackie is portrayed as being potentially one-shot by those like Shendu. Additionally, this would upscale everyone in the verse (Jade would legitimately scale to Shendu, as she can harm Jackie-level fighters). Also in the same episode, Jackie punches Shendu, and Shendu tanks lasers which Finn remarked would’ve destroyed Jackie in an earlier episode
Shendu scales to Drago imbued with the 8 demon powers, with or without the talisman. He’s weaker without them and is on par with the talismans. So if either of them gets a tier up, the other has to go up as well.
Also, Shendu’s talismans of the Pig and Dragon when imbued by the Tiger seem to be on the same level when pinned against Drago. Due to Jackie’s statement that the power of all twelve makes the power of one seem insignificant. I think the talismans based on the threat it provided to Super Drago, should be on Shendu’s level.
I think because of the one-shot narratively, but also these possible counterarguments that it’s more so the fire rather than the AP. I think Drago’s AP of the Firebreath should only possibly scale to the cast but is regularly far above it. On another occasion, he was able to stun a Tohru who was possessing Po Kong’s chi who is far above the main cast, and it seems he wasn’t growing anymore and was at his peak. I think the way to look at this, is I don’t think we can use it for his fire attack “This AP only deals lower AP to those with fire resistance” Not sure if that can work
There’s also another feat to have the fire breath far upscale from. Drago pierces a Section 13 submarine with one fireball blast, which is capable of fighting a super giant crab that had a difficult time piercing a hole. Uncle implied his regular magic wouldn’t work on the giant grab. It’s a little hard to say since they were underwater as well though.
It’s also implied that Shendu in Valmont's body had this same demon chi, and was able to vaporize Bai Tza who is on Jackie and Tohru’s level. Although she’s made of water, so that’s probably a reason why. So this may apply to Shendu in Valmont’s body as well.
So I think Drago’s Firebreath should only possibly scale to the main cast. So his first key would look like. Varies from “Scales to Main Cast Feats to Fire Breath AP”, likely “higher (Implications of othe ne-shotting cast, potential scaling to Po Kong, and is comparable to vaporizing Bai Tza)
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And we also have Drago enhanced with all the powers of the demons. I’ve seen some people argue that Drago only has a portion of each of the demon's chi.
Let’s look at the quote Tohru gives.
“Thousands of years ago, an immortal warrior used the magical fan to defeat Xiao Fung the wind demon. But traces of the wind demons' power were rumored to have clung to the fan throughout the centuries.” It shows that the fan turned the Demons into a chi orb. Video here.
Uncle also commented in another episode, that the demon chi will turn people INTO the demons themselves. Such with a character like Larry who grabbed and was possessed by the Earth Demon Chi, and was growing more alike to Dai Gui as time went on. Uncle named it a transformation. The Demon Chi like the fan did, chi as the show describes is a life force. So it makes sense if the orbs Drago grabbed were as strong as the original chi considering it derives from a fan that turns the demons into chi orbs.
Another is capabilities, every time the Demon abilities are shown in the season they can compare to the Demon Sorcerers themselves. Drago summoned a larger tsunami, Mrs Hartman with Hsi Wu are similar in size and strength. Drago was able to summon lightning and control the weather.
Another is the fact that due to combining all 8 demon powers, he gathered stronger abilities altogether. He was able to fly without wings, he envisioned a world where he turns it “inside out” which includes the moon being destroyed in half. His lightning and wind destructive capabilities seem to be on a whole new level, as they are shown to compete with Shendu with all twelve talismans. And most importantly, it’s stated that no known spell can remove Drago’s powers. This is coming from Shendu who knew of the 8 immortals who turned them into chi orbs, which suggests that Drago is much stronger than any of them regularly.
So because of this, I believe “all 8 demon powers” is also a reference to the talismans of what Jackie says when “The power of a single talisman is nothing to the combination of all twelve.”
This leads me to believe that Drago upscales from basically all demon sorcerers and they don’t scale. Except Shendu, because Drago’s “fire chi” isn’t linked to Shendu’s physical capabilities as a dragon.
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Shendu and also a commentary on the higher tiers in general. There are some anti-feats for him. While Shendu is regularly portrayed as being able to one-shot Jackie. There have been some slip-ups. Jackie survived being body-checked by him, although in the same episodes, it’s portrayed that if Jackie hadn’t moved from being punched by him, he would’ve died. Not sure if this is a hit or not. Jackie also punches Shendu and knocks him out for a bit who had all twelve talismans,
Despite these feats, I wouldn’t scale Jackie to him. It’s already labeled on his profile “Main Cast Tier, likely higher” with higher being his scaling to Shendu.
I don’t think they should scale to Shendu considering the feat discrepancy, and the fact that Jackie is portrayed as being potentially one-shot by those like Shendu. Additionally, this would upscale everyone in the verse (Jade would legitimately scale to Shendu, as she can harm Jackie-level fighters). Also in the same episode, Jackie punches Shendu, and Shendu tanks lasers which Finn remarked would’ve destroyed Jackie in an earlier episode
Shendu scales to Drago imbued with the 8 demon powers, with or without the talisman. He’s weaker without them and is on par with the talismans. So if either of them gets a tier up, the other has to go up as well.
Also, Shendu’s talismans of the Pig and Dragon when imbued by the Tiger seem to be on the same level when pinned against Drago. Due to Jackie’s statement that the power of all twelve makes the power of one seem insignificant. I think the talismans based on the threat it provided to Super Drago, should be on Shendu’s level.
Talisman Scaling:
Namely talking about the Ox Talisman, Pig Talisman, and Dragon Talisman.The Pig Talisman:
The talisman itself has feats to support its scales to the main cast and not.
Support Feats:
- Daolon Wong Withstands Blast from Pig Talisman
- Ratso and Finn do as well
- Uncle Blowfish can hold their own in a brief clash with Daolon Wong’s own magic and pig talisman. With a bunch of people chanting Uncles signature spell (which makes it stronger) Uncle Magic overpowers them both
Anti Feats:
- Jackie is knocked out by a blast near him while Shendu uses it
- Pig Talisman is used offensively and threatens Super Drago (Then again the Dragon talisman was also used in the same sequence)
There was less to gague than I remember. Also to note I realized the only anti feat is when Shendu used the pig talisman. Which makes sense considering the Tiger Talisman is the glue to bind all the talismans together, and with Jackie’s statements of “The power of one is nothing compared to all twelve” I think the Pig Talisman would be stronger there.
So with that, I would say the Main Cast scale to the Pig Talisman
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The Dragon Talisman:
Even more than the Pig Talisman from what I can recall, there are far more feats to pin against each other if they scale to the cast or not.
Support Feat:
- Drago takes a blast from the Dragon Talisman twice. First occasion he is knocked out for a minute, second occasion he gets up after like 10 seconds. Jade says that he "won't be down for long"
- Oni’s take blast from the Dragon Talisman and get up in a few seconds. The Main cast can harm these Oni’s
- Its debut episode, the main cast in no way scaled to the Dragon Talisman. It is portrayed as a one-shotter, Valmont missed Captain Black with the Dragon Talisman and gravely injured him to the point of hospitalization.
- Dragon Talisman puts hole in Shendu’s chest (This may be a anti feat to scaling to anyone in-general)
Mischanellous:
- Po Kong who is Shendu level in durability, is merely annoyed by the Dragon Talisman
It’s 2:2
So I think what would be best is the main cast don’t scale to any of the Dragon Talisman higher end feats. But they have a tier where they do scale.
But we have to take in scaling to the higher tiers.
One of the anti feats as discussed is where they blow a hole in Shendu’s chest. But there’s also a feat where they Jade tries blasting Po Kong and it just annoys her. And Shendu scales to her in that same episode.
So here’s what I’m thinking for example.
Dragon Talisman Tier: Varies from At least “Main Cast Tier” (Can harm Main Cast member), likely “Higher level”
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The Ox Talisman:
The Ox Talisman is incredibly mixed when coming to scaling to the cast or not. I like to think of it as the perfect middle ground to the scaling between the main cast and higher tiers like Shendu.
Support Feats:
- In its debut episode. Jackie takes blows from ox powered El Toro (skeptical). El Toro with the ox throws Jackie hard, Jackie is knocked out but uninjured. Tohru is knocked out but uninjured by a Ox powered kick by Jade
- Chow with the ox talisman kicks and only knocks out the J-Team for a short period
- Chow kicks Jackie with the ox talisman
- Dark Warriors take blows from Ox Powered Jade
- Oni mask Scruffy has comparable strength to Ox Talisman Jade. Main Cast can harm the Oni
- Pig Talisman (as discussed scales to the cast) can destroy a Shadowkhan thread construct that restrained a Ox Talisman powered Jade
- Sumo Shadowkhan can take blows from the Ox talisman Powered Captain Black and have comparable strength as Captain Black says “he is as strong as anyone one of you bruisers”, along with Captain Black’s other self with the oni mask going blow for blow and are around the same strength. Jackie can block attacks from the Sumo Shadowkhan, and Captain Black can take a hit from that oni enhanced Captain Black with that strength. And Captain Black even without the talisman can harm said Oni
- Jackie and Super Moose can harm the actual Oni’s who are all around the same durability as shown by the Dragon Talisman harming them all; El Toro (without the talisman) and Viper can knock out Ikosuki who is their head demon. Since they are around the same durability, it’s shown that the oni are around the same strength as the Ox Talisman and they can take blows from ox powered El Toro
- Shendu with his own strength + Ox Talisman merely flicks Tohru sending him flying through walls and leaves him injured by falling through the small skyscraper
- Jackie briefly knocks out Shendu with the ox talisman
- Ox Talisman users Can harm Shendu and Po Kong on another occasion
- The Yak with the Ox Talisman can briefly knock out Shendu. Although Jackie without the talisman punches Shendu down in this same episode
Ox Talisman users while upscaling, should still in some way scale to the main cast. While scaling to the higher tiers simultaneously. Some feats like Jade kicking Tohru and collapsing that building will have the maincast backscale from it, and maybe feats of around the same calibre as well
Should look like: Varies from “At least Main Cast Tier”, likely up to “Shendu Tier”
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Additionally we should note. Does the Ox Talisman scale to durability?
Not exactly.
It seems when someone has the Ox Talisman, they can block and clash with attacks which is shown where Captain Black with the Ox can clash attacks and is unharmed by blocking from those on that level like the Sumo Shadowkhan and one of the Oni’s. But they are mostly a glass canon:
- Viper kicks Chow with the Ox Talisman, he is harmed and sent flying as if he didn’t have it
- Jackie with the Ox Talisman can briefly knock out Po Kong. Jackie with the Ox Talisman gets harmed by Po Kong throwing a literal piece of her food
- Jade with a bunch of the talismans including the Ox is still portrayed as in danger by the Dark Chi warriors who are Jackie level.
- Daolon Wong states that Uncles strength cannot withstand heat of the Pig Talisman, implying Uncle would be greatly harmed like how the Pig Talisman does to anyone else
- A small fall knocks out Jade with the Ox Talisman
- Tarakudo’s telekinetic blast was portrayed as a “saving blow” had it hit her. Which the main cast can usually take
Let’s say because Jackie uses them: At leat [Main Cast level], “higher” or even up to [[Shendu Tier]] via blocking (The Ox Talisman can provide users with super strength to block attacks with those on his level. However they do not have the durability of the Ox Talisman themselves)
Speed:
I definitely think there needs to be some adjustments. We already have Hypersonic+ on the profiles, although Dark-Carioca made a calculation readjusting it in 2021 to a higher degree.
But we have currently separated the speeds of the Rabbit Talisman and main cast. Which I actually disagree with.
You may recall a scene where the Rabbit Talisman blitzes the main cast. And you wouldn’t be recall any wrong of that, because yes it has. But you know what happens in those exact same episodes? And I’m not kidding, the character in some ways reacts to it, dodges it, or even keeps up with the Rabbit Talisman. I’m talking CONSISTENTLY as well.
I’m just going to take it by an episode basis:
As you can see there are two big factors. The Rabbit Talisman can consistently blitz foes, but simultaneously and even more consistently the characters can not only perceive, but react and even have combat speed on those levels. The way I see it, The Rabbit Talisman is opting at a significantly faster than any of the main cast. But not to an incomparable extent, and at their peak bursts they can even be on par with the speeds of those at that level. There’s also a gag that the reaction times of those with the Rabbit Talisman is lower than the actual speed, notably Ratso who says he has to “work on the breaks” with it because he can’t stop the speed in time before hitting a wall.
Still there’s way too much. The way I see it, maybe the Rabbit Talisman is 2x faster (a figurative number) compared to the main cast, but being 2x faster doesn’t mean someone can’t react to you, or even outpace you in certain parts. The way I see it, the main cast reactions, combat speed, and attack speed are roughly on its level. But let’s say the Rabbit Talisman is Relativistic+, I’d probably put the characters at Relativistic only usually.
It’d look like:
Superhuman (Justificaiton here). Usually Relativistic, peaking at Relativistic+ reactions, combat speed, and attack speed (Justification here)
On another note there is also the fact the highest calculated speed feat was actually from the cast rather than the Talisman which was FTL+. To which the same stuff would apply, because Jackie still somewhat downscales from it. The Rabbit Talisman would probably straight up be equal to the feat.
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This goes into my other point, there are a decent amount of people with combat speed, attack speed, and reactions on the same level. Attack Speed and reactions are self explantory, people land blows on each other, and I noticed most of the profiles only label “reactions” even though they can tag each other.
But I only think this should apply to Agile Martial Artists in the show. Notably agile. As I don’t think the Dark Hand like Tohru, and some of the thugs despite having attack speed and reactions to keep up with Jackie as they can tag him and block/dodge attacks from him; have ever shown to actually have the combat speed to outpace anything.
From our current profiles. Combat Speed would apply to Hak Foo, Jackie, Shendu, Drago, Hsi Wu
For those without combat speed but have attack speed and reactions: Bai Tza, Dai Gui, Tchang Tzu, Po Kong, Tso lan
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The Rooster Talisman does not scale to the Rabbit Talisman. It’s used on Tso Lan’s profile, because the Rooster Talisman reached the destination the Rabbit Talisman travelled to. They do not scale, Shendu couldn’t even catch up to a speeding car, nevertheless a speeding car with the Rabbit Talisman. It was cinematic timing, Shendu caught up to them because their van crashed. Tso Lan actually has more impressive feats that were calculated but not accepted. For now his flight speed should be Superhuman likely far higher (He travelled to the moon from the space station). As for the Rooster Talisman, it is superhuman because it can keep pace with a speeding vehicle.
But we have currently separated the speeds of the Rabbit Talisman and main cast. Which I actually disagree with.
You may recall a scene where the Rabbit Talisman blitzes the main cast. And you wouldn’t be recall any wrong of that, because yes it has. But you know what happens in those exact same episodes? And I’m not kidding, the character in some ways reacts to it, dodges it, or even keeps up with the Rabbit Talisman. I’m talking CONSISTENTLY as well.
I’m just going to take it by an episode basis:
- Its debut episode: Tohru blitzes Jackie sometimes before he even notices and outpaces him terribly. But simultaneously, when Tohru takes a run at him with the Talisman; Jackie executes several movements to open a container which would be combat speed.
- Day of the Dragon: Shendu initially blitzes Jackie by running at him. Next Shendu takes a run with the talisman, Jackie executes several movements such as running, jumping on a wall, and flipping over to dodge this. Using basically combat speed to dodge a ram by Shendu with the talisman
- Through the Rabbit Hole: Jade can blitz the Dark Hand with said Talisman as when they try running at Jade, she moves like a blur and ties some of them up. But in the same episode while Tohru used it trying to ram Jackie and Uncle, and they were able to execute two movements such as planting their feet and throwing a kick at them. Showing again, another combat speed feat scaling to them
- The Stronger Evil: I legit think there’s no counter scaling. Ratso is fast with the Rabbit Talisman yes, but Jackie straight up dodges a strike from him, perceives, and sweeps him off his feat before Ratso could react.
- The J-Team: El Toro straight up dodges Ratso using the Rabbit Talisman coming at him
- Hsi Wu flight can keep up with Jade with the Rabbit Talisman. Hsi Wu can react and move around buildings, Jackie can land hits on Hsi Wu. Tchang Tzu’s lightning was shown to be even faster than Hsi Wu, and Jackie can weave those
- Dai Gui (Who is granted even slow to the main cast) is incapable of catching Tohru with the Rabbit Talisman, but he later hides behind something, reacts to Tohru coming and trips him which should be attack speed somewhere comparable to that speed.
- Rabbit Run: This is honestly the weirdest episode. The Rabbit who is imbued with the power of the Talisman is shown to be too fast for Jackie to catch. But Jackie simultaneously is able to catch onto him, and react to cars incoming at the Rabbit Talisman speed. But someone of an even slower reaction time like Daolon Wong is able to catch him in a swift burst. Then Jade is shown to be so fast she can blitz Daolon Wong. But when Chip has a hold of it while he is shown to be incredibly fast, the Dark Hands weapon which apply to attack speed is shown to be even faster; and Jackie can react to their weapon swings and even have the combat speed to outpace them for a bit.
- Animal Crackers: Yeah the rabbit is a little too fast for them to grab
- Re-Enter the Dragon: Jackie is able to narrowly react and drive their vehicle going at the Rabbit Talismans speed although he says it’s “too fast.” Jackie scales up and punches Shendu who has the rabbit talisman before he can react
- In “Black Magic” Jade was almost blitzing the Sumo Shadowkhan who are deemed the slower kind of Shadowkhan but simultaneously we see that when Jade tried to jump over their hand, they were able to have the speed to grab her mid jump. This is what I’m talking about
- Ninja Twilight: One of the Oni reacts and kicks the Rabbit Talisman out of Jackie’s hand. Putting his attack speed on their level. Super Moose can keep up with these guys, who in turn other people have kept up with (The Dark Warriors)
- Jackie can normally keep up in combat with MC Cobra. With the Rabbit Talisman, MC Cobra can still block attacks from him
As you can see there are two big factors. The Rabbit Talisman can consistently blitz foes, but simultaneously and even more consistently the characters can not only perceive, but react and even have combat speed on those levels. The way I see it, The Rabbit Talisman is opting at a significantly faster than any of the main cast. But not to an incomparable extent, and at their peak bursts they can even be on par with the speeds of those at that level. There’s also a gag that the reaction times of those with the Rabbit Talisman is lower than the actual speed, notably Ratso who says he has to “work on the breaks” with it because he can’t stop the speed in time before hitting a wall.
Still there’s way too much. The way I see it, maybe the Rabbit Talisman is 2x faster (a figurative number) compared to the main cast, but being 2x faster doesn’t mean someone can’t react to you, or even outpace you in certain parts. The way I see it, the main cast reactions, combat speed, and attack speed are roughly on its level. But let’s say the Rabbit Talisman is Relativistic+, I’d probably put the characters at Relativistic only usually.
It’d look like:
Superhuman (Justificaiton here). Usually Relativistic, peaking at Relativistic+ reactions, combat speed, and attack speed (Justification here)
On another note there is also the fact the highest calculated speed feat was actually from the cast rather than the Talisman which was FTL+. To which the same stuff would apply, because Jackie still somewhat downscales from it. The Rabbit Talisman would probably straight up be equal to the feat.
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This goes into my other point, there are a decent amount of people with combat speed, attack speed, and reactions on the same level. Attack Speed and reactions are self explantory, people land blows on each other, and I noticed most of the profiles only label “reactions” even though they can tag each other.
- Jackie himself has shown to be able to briefly run away from Coyle’s cards which is combat speed, which as you can see from the same video the cards are faster than Jackie’s attacks as they are like a tornado to him.
- Jackie while slower had the combat speed to run away from Shendu’s Dragon Talisman blast, which is fast enough to tag some of the characters Jackie keeps up with.
- Some of the Rabbit Talisman feats listed above
But I only think this should apply to Agile Martial Artists in the show. Notably agile. As I don’t think the Dark Hand like Tohru, and some of the thugs despite having attack speed and reactions to keep up with Jackie as they can tag him and block/dodge attacks from him; have ever shown to actually have the combat speed to outpace anything.
From our current profiles. Combat Speed would apply to Hak Foo, Jackie, Shendu, Drago, Hsi Wu
For those without combat speed but have attack speed and reactions: Bai Tza, Dai Gui, Tchang Tzu, Po Kong, Tso lan
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The Rooster Talisman does not scale to the Rabbit Talisman. It’s used on Tso Lan’s profile, because the Rooster Talisman reached the destination the Rabbit Talisman travelled to. They do not scale, Shendu couldn’t even catch up to a speeding car, nevertheless a speeding car with the Rabbit Talisman. It was cinematic timing, Shendu caught up to them because their van crashed. Tso Lan actually has more impressive feats that were calculated but not accepted. For now his flight speed should be Superhuman likely far higher (He travelled to the moon from the space station). As for the Rooster Talisman, it is superhuman because it can keep pace with a speeding vehicle.
Lifting Strength:
The main points of contention are between most of the main cast, stronger characters (Tohru, El Toro, DJ Fist, Zhen), and Ox Talisman level users.
Let’s starting with the first two, the main cast and stronger characters. On paper, it seems we should completely separate the two. But delving more deeply, it’s more questionable.
Let’s look at each episode comparing them:
Support Feats:
Anti Feats:
Despite the ratio not being that far apart, I’d say the anti-feats are much more blatant, while the support feats still suggest that usual characters are still weaker than the stronger characters, but are not incomparable.
I figure what could be a balancing ground is judging by the LS feats on my blog. It seems unironically the usual characters like Jackie might have the better LS Feats.
If so, the tiering would look like this.
Someone like Zhen or Dark Chi Hak Foo (who is Tohru level LS strength) or Bai Tza LS scaling would look like this: At least “Main Cast Tiering”, likely “higher” (At times characters of this strength caliber like Tohru, DJ Fist, and El Toro have showings of being incomparably stronger than those of [Insert whoever did impressive top-level feat], such as scan, and scan)
Or if the stronger characters have the better feats if say some of the calculations are dragged down. For those of the main cast caliber.
It would look like this:
Jackie’s scaling: At least “Main Cast Tiering”, possibly “Tohru level” (Scan and Scan listed above)
I will only give a possibly because I think the anti-feats are stronger in evidence here. But the support feats are as the definition of possible gives on our wiki, “The probability of the justification in question for being reliable should be notable, but mild. This term should be used sparingly”
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One thing to note. The Ox Talisman. Despite its inconsistency with AP, it has little to no anti-feats for its LS. It is completely incomparable compared to the regular cast. So anyone who can wrestle with the Ox Talisman can scale to its highest LS feat.
Let’s starting with the first two, the main cast and stronger characters. On paper, it seems we should completely separate the two. But delving more deeply, it’s more questionable.
Let’s look at each episode comparing them:
Support Feats:
- Jackie can’t get out of Tohru’s chokehold, although Tohru does seem to be grunting in struggle which seems to suggest Tohru is putting in some effort (Provided sound in the clip)
- Jackie pulls a slightly off guard Ratso and Tohru who have him restrained
- Jackie prys the Rabbit Talisman from Tohru hand in a wrestle, Jackie needs his leg planted on Tohru and all his body strength to do so
- Finn and Chow jump onto Tohru and use their entire bodies to seemingly restrain Tohru’s arms, with Uncle needing to assist him
- Jackie seemingly overpowers one of Bai Tza’s arms and throws her, much like Tohru in the same sequence. Bai Tza is stronger than Tohru
- Tohru briefly wrestles with Hak Foo, and Hak Foo can hold on and then kicks Tohru off. After slowing it down, I noticed Hak Foo actually pryed the Panku box from Tohru’s grip before kicking him
- Jackie briefly restrains a Samurai Shadowkhan. Who can restrain but are weaker than Tohru (One per arm)
- Drago can destroy a net, that DJ Fist (Tohru level) somewhat struggled alongside MC Cobra to tear off
- Jackie can briefly clash and push back DJ Fist
Anti Feats:
- Tohru can restrain all three Dark hand enforcers at the same time
- Jackie can’t pry the talisman from Tohru’s hands with two of them (granted it seems like it took Tohru a little bit to close his hand)
- Tohru can easily restrain Jackie effortessely
- Tohru easily restrains him a second time
- Tohru again restrains all three Dark Hand Enforcers at the same time
- Tohru bends metal bars casually that Viper was trapped by
- Zhen Grabs Jackie and instantly restrains him
- In Tohru Who, one of the plot points is that Tohru is much stronger than the main cast because he’s the only one who can carry a golden statue. Jackie also cannot budge a boulder Tohru carried
- DJ Fist lifts and throws a cage, and Jackie and others can’t budge it
Despite the ratio not being that far apart, I’d say the anti-feats are much more blatant, while the support feats still suggest that usual characters are still weaker than the stronger characters, but are not incomparable.
I figure what could be a balancing ground is judging by the LS feats on my blog. It seems unironically the usual characters like Jackie might have the better LS Feats.
If so, the tiering would look like this.
Someone like Zhen or Dark Chi Hak Foo (who is Tohru level LS strength) or Bai Tza LS scaling would look like this: At least “Main Cast Tiering”, likely “higher” (At times characters of this strength caliber like Tohru, DJ Fist, and El Toro have showings of being incomparably stronger than those of [Insert whoever did impressive top-level feat], such as scan, and scan)
Or if the stronger characters have the better feats if say some of the calculations are dragged down. For those of the main cast caliber.
It would look like this:
Jackie’s scaling: At least “Main Cast Tiering”, possibly “Tohru level” (Scan and Scan listed above)
I will only give a possibly because I think the anti-feats are stronger in evidence here. But the support feats are as the definition of possible gives on our wiki, “The probability of the justification in question for being reliable should be notable, but mild. This term should be used sparingly”
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One thing to note. The Ox Talisman. Despite its inconsistency with AP, it has little to no anti-feats for its LS. It is completely incomparable compared to the regular cast. So anyone who can wrestle with the Ox Talisman can scale to its highest LS feat.
Individual Profiles:
Jackie:
Jackie has some abilities to add:
- Enhanced Senses (Dodged a hit from Viper without even looking. Can fight and parry attacks while on a phone, more than, twice. Can dodge incoming obstacles just by the sound)
- Vehicular Mastery (Jackie can successfully ride a motorcycle in pursuit of Bai Tza, turn 90 degrees, and even using his physical stature to scale a wall to turn the direction of said motorcycle. Along with adapting to numerous obstacles in pursuit such as recovering from having the vehicle in a spinout at high speeds)
- Accelerated Development (Jackie after having his memory wiped; overnight learned from Jade about Kung Fu. And with no experience, was capable of fighting up to par with defeating the Shadowkhan who usually cause trouble to him even without his memory wiped)
- Stealth Mastery (When Tohru and Finn were distracted, Jackie was able to swipe him and Finn from Tohru’s grip without either noticing. Snuck into Fort Knox without being caught. Can sneak up on Jade who has immense stealth capabilities herself. Stealthy snuck past the Shadowkhan without them noticing, who also have high level stealth abilities themselves. Can break and sneak into a museum twice. Infiltrated the Netropolis lair without being caught which was on high alert with numerous guards. Completely disappeared after a momentary distraction)
- Weapon Mastery; this is already been added but thought I should also note all the weapons he has used (Shield, windshield wipers, bass fishes, staff, paddle, crutches, ski gear, Flipper, Ladder, Metal Pipe, Ladles, Umbrellas, Yoyo, Rake, Mop, Stick, Miniature Merchandise Baseball Bats, Grocery Bags, Spear, Stanchion, Key to the City, drum sticks, Cymball of drums + Guitar, Pirate Sword, Club, Pick (When he was the size of ant), Hockey Stick, Base Holder of an Umbrella, Shepherd’s Crook, Metal Rod, Broom, Needlefish Prop, Curved Adze)
- New Weakness Added: Jackie can be naive and over apologetic such as when he fell for a charismatic women faking a cry despite her stating she was a criminal and threatening to kill Jackie seconds ago
Hak Foo:
- Weaponry Mastery as he was able to duel and even overwhelm Jackie when they were ant sized using picks like they were both staffs
- Bands of Shiva for Optional Equipment which also grant him additional limbs. As they give him two extra arms. He can also scale surfaces like a Spider, so Surface Scaling
As Zhen:
- Electricity Manipulation (Can generate electricity around his tornado move. Upon being summoned, he also has electric sparks around his body)
- Limited Air Manipulation (Can spin so fast they can turn into a miniature tornado)
- As a Dark Warrior he can see 4D entities as established in the Season 3 Sheep Talisman episode, and can also see Uncle’s spirit float by. So Enhanced Senses (Enhanced Vision)
- Resistance to Fire and Heat (Unaffected by being on fire, although this is only to some extent as lava can still harm him)
Shendu:
Generally:
Speed: Shendu is not straight-up Hypersonic+. For one he only activiates the Rabbit Talisman sometimes. There should be a note of his speed “normally.” He can chase after a speeding truck and after Jackie, so he has Superhuman running speed. And he can tag Super Drago, who is equal or superior to normal Drago.
So it would look like this. Superhuman running speed (Scales to Vehicle and Jackie), Hypersonic+ reactions, combat and attack speed (Can tag Drago and stuff). Hypersonic+ outright via the Rabbit Talisman (Can boost his running speed and all forms of speed to this level due to “Jade Rabbit Speed justification”)
Next, we’ll have to discuss some keys:
For one his statue form. Possessing Valmont. Season 1 Finale. True Form.
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His Statue Form will look roughly like this:
Powers: Clarivoyance, Petrification, Summoning and Shadow Manipulation, Portal Creation for Limited Time Travel, Fire Manipulation, Weapon Creation, Energy Projection, Magic, Electricity Manipulation, Breath Attack, Astral Projection and Possession
AP: Unknown physically, [Main Cast level] via Fire Breath
Speed: Inanimate
LS: Unknown physically
Stuff is self-explanatory
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Possessing Valmont will look like this:
Powers: Superhuman Physicals, Fire Manipulation, Acrobatics, Minor Flight, Summoning and Shadow Manipulation, Magic, Breath Attack, Limited Portal Creation, Martial Arts, Multiple Selves (Type 2), Teleportation (Via this and this)
Most of the physicals are on the main cast level, with their weakness being that certain chi spells can send him back to the underworld panku box realm, or exorcise him from his host
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Season 1 Finale Shendu, and True Form Shendu are one and the same but there is one difference
The weakness. If Season 1 Shendu’s rat talisman is removed, they will revert back into a statue. Which can be crucial for VS threads. The True Form Shendu refers to Season 2 Demon World Shendu, Season 3 Resurrected Shendu, and Season 5 finale Shendu. Why? Because in those ones, either he was never a statue in the first place, or specifically Season 5 Uncle brought him back through other means than the rat talisman, thus that weakness doesn’t apply.
Season 1 Finale Shendu has all the talismans already so it is a standard equipment.
True Form Shendu should have the talismans as an optional equipment. Which makes sense only Season 2 Demon World Shendu had them right away, Season 3 and Season 5 Shendu didn’t until later on.
- He has Clairvoyance. He can see if Jackie is in the building through some magical sightseeing. Can sense if there is a “wrinkle in time” as in if someone is traveling and changing the past. He also has a seeking device that can locate his 12 talismans
- Shendu has a potion for petrification
- Summoning and Shadow Manipulation for being able to summon and control the Shadowkhan (Although note that after Season 4, Shendu is incapable of this)
- Shendu has a crystal ball that can create a portal that can travel you back to the present if you’re in the past. So both Portal Creation for Limited Time Travel.
- As a statue, he can manipulate fire around him. So Fire Manipulation
- Summoned a magical lasso and a weapon offensive sheriff attack. So Weapon Creation
- Energy projection as he shot a magical blast that left a past Tohru basically grasping at the straws
- Electricity Manipulation as Shendu can manipulate the electrical forcefield floor
- Martial Arts as Shendu was able to combat Jackie in Valmont’s body and go blow for blow
- Immortality Type 7, as Shendu can continue to live as a spirit even if they die
- Transfiguration as he has potions to give Valmont, Dragon skin, a horn to his head, and was about to give him gills
True Form:
- Limited Power Absorption as Shendu can take away and absorb his talismans who Daolon Wong possessed magicallySpeed: Shendu is not straight-up Hypersonic+. For one he only activiates the Rabbit Talisman sometimes. There should be a note of his speed “normally.” He can chase after a speeding truck and after Jackie, so he has Superhuman running speed. And he can tag Super Drago, who is equal or superior to normal Drago.
So it would look like this. Superhuman running speed (Scales to Vehicle and Jackie), Hypersonic+ reactions, combat and attack speed (Can tag Drago and stuff). Hypersonic+ outright via the Rabbit Talisman (Can boost his running speed and all forms of speed to this level due to “Jade Rabbit Speed justification”)
Next, we’ll have to discuss some keys:
For one his statue form. Possessing Valmont. Season 1 Finale. True Form.
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His Statue Form will look roughly like this:
Powers: Clarivoyance, Petrification, Summoning and Shadow Manipulation, Portal Creation for Limited Time Travel, Fire Manipulation, Weapon Creation, Energy Projection, Magic, Electricity Manipulation, Breath Attack, Astral Projection and Possession
AP: Unknown physically, [Main Cast level] via Fire Breath
Speed: Inanimate
LS: Unknown physically
Stuff is self-explanatory
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Possessing Valmont will look like this:
Powers: Superhuman Physicals, Fire Manipulation, Acrobatics, Minor Flight, Summoning and Shadow Manipulation, Magic, Breath Attack, Limited Portal Creation, Martial Arts, Multiple Selves (Type 2), Teleportation (Via this and this)
Most of the physicals are on the main cast level, with their weakness being that certain chi spells can send him back to the underworld panku box realm, or exorcise him from his host
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Season 1 Finale Shendu, and True Form Shendu are one and the same but there is one difference
The weakness. If Season 1 Shendu’s rat talisman is removed, they will revert back into a statue. Which can be crucial for VS threads. The True Form Shendu refers to Season 2 Demon World Shendu, Season 3 Resurrected Shendu, and Season 5 finale Shendu. Why? Because in those ones, either he was never a statue in the first place, or specifically Season 5 Uncle brought him back through other means than the rat talisman, thus that weakness doesn’t apply.
Season 1 Finale Shendu has all the talismans already so it is a standard equipment.
True Form Shendu should have the talismans as an optional equipment. Which makes sense only Season 2 Demon World Shendu had them right away, Season 3 and Season 5 Shendu didn’t until later on.
Drago:
Powers:
Base:
- Portal Creation as Drago is able to use Shendu’s original conjuring spell of conjuring a portal for his dragon minions
- Body control as Drago can utilize his tail for combat
- Transformation and Power Bestowal as Drago can turn the Dark Hand thugs and StrikeMaster Ice crew into Dragons, either gifting his fire magic or dragon attributes like super speed and strength
- Resistance to Fire and Heat as he is unfazed by fire and the intense heat of it
- Limited Clairvoyance as he can sense the location and what Demon Chi has been summoned into the world. As well as limited precognition as his vision one time was able to predict where a Demon Chi would end up before it actually was there
- Surface Scaling as Drago can effortlessly scale a vent from no logical way to grab at it (Not with his claws)
- Stealth Mastery as he snuck into Section 13 easily and can sneak onto public transportation such as cruises
- Possible Teleportation as he can bathe himself from fire, and is later shown to be outside the facility. Shendu his dad can do this as well
- Enhanced Senses as Drago can smell demon chi from large distances away
- Drago can blast his fire manipulation like this offensively. So Danmaku
- Weapon mastery, as Drago is shown to be skilled with a pipe against Jackie
- Immense Acrobatics he can leap all the way to the head of Tohru with Po Kong’s size who is at least 10+ meters tall
- Bodily Weaponry; as he has sharp teeth and claws
Drago with All Demon Powers:
- Aura. His gravity powers give him a purple aura around him
- Weather Manipulation as he turns all of San Francisco’s clouds red, creates a lightning storm, can twirl clouds like this, and has Tchang Tzu’s power
- Resistance to Power Nullification. Shendu states that no spell in the Jackie Chan universe can remove his powers
- Transformation for himself, as he can transform his body into a large Cthulhu like monster and to a larger size
- Speaking of which he has Large Size Type 0, being Shendu’s size of 20 FT
- Enhanced Portal Creation as he can open up holes from the Underworld to let his demons roam free
The Talismans:
This is generally for anyone who has possessions of the talismans. Mainly Shendu’s profile first of all. But everyone should get a separate section for Talismans. Some of these abilities are already listed
All Talismans (These Don’t Apply to Any Users with them):
- Limited Power Bestowal as if they are destroyed they are bestowed to Noble Animals
- Electricity Manipulation as it completely repelled the forcefield that electrocuted and destroyed objects
- Magic (This does apply to all users though)
Dragon Talisman:
- Energy Projection as it can blast energy blasts of fire
- Explosive Manipulation, it explodes upon impact. Hence its name is “Combustion”
- Fire Manipulation
- Minor Flight, as Valmont possesses it was shown for moments levitating
- Aura as it can create a yellowish aura around the user if they are fully consumed by it
Pig Talisman:
- Energy Projection and Heat Manipulation. Not only blasts energy, but it was used previously as a way to melt cocoa beans
Rat Talisman:
- Can transmute statues from stone into real beings although still retaining said material for durability. So Transmutation
- Life Manipulation
- Likely Minor Soul Manipulation, it’s implied that the soul that lay in the Oni Mask of Ikosuki was pulled when reanimating the mask he was trapped in
- Power Bestowal, can gift powers to those they reanimate on what they’re based on
Horse Talisman:
- Disease Manipulation as it removed Tohru’s cold and can cure sea sickness
- Type 3 Immortality as Shendu remarks how he cannot be harmed and Daolon Wong says how he’ll be invincible due to its regenerative abilities
- Restoration as it can restore a broken ship, and fix a destroyed statue
- Minor Water Manipulation as it removed all the water that had acclimated on a sinking boat
- Can Reverse Petrification
- Healing
- Regeneration (Low-Mid), as it healed a blow that completely blew through Shendu’s torso
Ox Talisman:
- Statistic Amplification as the Ox Talisman can grant you superhuman strength
- Size Manipulation (Can grant Jade large muscles)
Rabbit Talisman:
- Statistic Amplification (Can boost users to “supersonic” speeds)
- Free Movement (Those who have the Rabbit Talisman can run on water)
- Technological Manipulation as it can boost a vehicle to this speed, and a space ships engine
Tiger Talisman:
- Minor Energy Projection (Can blast users back with a blast)
- Minor Telekinesis (Attaching it to one half of an item, will telekinetically have it attempt to connect to its other half as it did with one half with a medallion)
- Limited Cloning (Can split its user into two beings, one being overly sensitive but good, and the other being rowdy and mostly bad)
- Power Modification as it can bind and balance conflicting powers and make them a "unified whole."
Rooster Talisman:
- Flight
- Telekinesis
- Aura. Eggberg using the talisman was shown to have a blue casted aura
- Likely Resistance to Gravity Manipulation (Seemed to resist the gravity manipulate of a blast dealt by Tso Lan)
Dog Talisman:
- Minor Empathic Manipulation (Restores youthful energy to its holder)
- Limited Statistic Amplification as it restores yourself to your physical prime
- Likely Type 1 for the Dog Talisman as Uncle reads it grants eternal life. And Type 8 because its an object that keeps you invulnerable
- Limited Invulnerability for attacks that will heavily injure to kill a user and completely no-sell it instead
- Astral Projection
- Dream Manipulation as a user can enter the dreams of other when in the state of Astral Projection
Snake Talisman:
- Invisibility for objects and people
Monkey Talisman:
- Transmutation as it can transform objects into whatever shape of animal it is called to be
- Transformation as it can transform people into animals
- Minor Empathetic Manipulation (Can push some animalistic tendencies onto the users who they turn into animals. Such as Tohru who they turned into a elephant having a fear of mice)
Mischanellous:
- We have noted on some profiles that the Horse and Dog Talisman grants higher durability. This is wrong. The Horse is a healing talisman so it isn’t durability. Dog Talisman only functions for durability on the level of being invulnerable to heavy injuries/death blows. But to anything else, like Finn says “Immortality hurts”, he got knocked out by Jade. Hak Foo knocked out Uncle. So Dog Talisman only acts invulnerable for durability.Demon Sorcerers Need Some Added Abilities:
Hsi Wu:
- Bodily Weaponry: Pretty obvious as he has claws, razor sharp teeth, and his wings are made to cut things
- Body Control. His tail has its own consciousness and will attempt to reattach to Hsi Wu if detached. Before it got deattached he attempted to attack Jackie like this
- Weakness as certain cells can deny him entry to a certain building unless they’re willingly allowed to enter, electrocuting them if they attempt to do so
- Transformation as Hsi Wu can also shapeshift parts of his body like his feet, hand and head. Then giving himself wings rather than his entire body, having shapeshifted his body into a kid
Tchang Tzu:
- Weather Manipulation (Those with his chi if struck by natural lightning, can control the weather and channel its lightning. Can create clouds for him to float on)
- Resistance to Electricity Manipulation (Implied that Drago should’ve been harmed by a natural lightning strike, but due to the Tchang’s powers that Drago had, he was unscathed by it)
Bai Tza:
- Immortality Type 3. Along with Regeneration (Mid-High) as they can regenerate from being reduced to ashes
- Body control as they can use their fins/tail as a weapon, and use their head tentacles to restrain and as an attack. They can also turn their head 180 degrees easily
Tso Lan:
- Energy Projection, his gravity manipulation can shoot out purple-like energy attacks
- Flight and Telekinesis via Gravity Manipulation
Dai Gui:
- Limited Telekinesis as users with his chi can move large amounts of earth elemental debris, collapse buildings, and pull constructs of rocks offensively from the ground, split the ground then close it up.- Underground Mobility, it’s one of his big things travelling and digging underground is his main power, and can do so at high speeds. Users with his chi can even bring others with them underground
Conclusion:
- The Demon Sorcerers now have direct scaling that addresses the inconsistency
- Shendu and Drago have some distinct scaling
- Talismans have some corrected scaling and some added powers
- Fixed the speed scaling with the cast and Rabbit Talisman + other categories of speed like attack speed/combat speed
- Addressed the main cast Lifting Strength disparity between the Stronger Characters and the usual main cast
- Added abilities to Hak Foo, Jackie, and Drago’s profiles
- New keys for Shendu’s profile
- Added abilities to Demon Sorcerers
If this is accepted, I will make a blog that brings up all of these same points, and have it linked and named the “Jackie Chan Adventures Scaling Blog”
Just to address the inconsistencies so that it doesn’t confuse anyone when looking at the profiles.[/SPOILER]
