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Jack(One Piece) Vs All Might GRACE
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I honestly don't see how All Might wins here.
Sanji starts with the AP and Durability advantage, but this is without even looking at how far above his value he actually is. He's able to facetank attacks from people who could easily defeat others who scale to that value while in a far weaker state. I don't see All Might's attacks doing relevant damage to Sanji. Even if he could damage Sanji, he'd just simply regenerate , as he was able to heal from having all the internal organs in his torso ruptured, having his body flattened, and having all his bone broken.
Sanji also has insanely good passive Kenbun, which grants him several different sensory abilities, such as mind reading, intent sensing, premonitions of the future, instinctive dodging or defending, to a level greater than the likes of Enel and Luffy (outside of Future Sight). With this, Sanji would be able to know what All Might would do prior to him even acting, and know exactly how to counter it.
Sanji also has really good speed amps, allowing him to go completely invisible to people Kenbun who were otherwise relative to him. He can also stack this FTE amp with his other amps, which alone also increase the level of his speed to levels that allow him to overwhelm those who were relative to his base.
On top of all this, Sanji has flames that have heat that scales over 5x where All Might's heat resistance scales to, which he uses in pretty much every attack.
For these reasons, I'll be voting Sanji medium difficulty due to All Might's superior range and experience, which would prompt All Might to try to zone Sanji out after realizing that he's physically superior to him, before Sanji taps into his speed amps and closes the distance.
Sanji starts with the AP and Durability advantage, but this is without even looking at how far above his value he actually is. He's able to facetank attacks from people who could easily defeat others who scale to that value while in a far weaker state. I don't see All Might's attacks doing relevant damage to Sanji. Even if he could damage Sanji, he'd just simply regenerate , as he was able to heal from having all the internal organs in his torso ruptured, having his body flattened, and having all his bone broken.
Sanji also has insanely good passive Kenbun, which grants him several different sensory abilities, such as mind reading, intent sensing, premonitions of the future, instinctive dodging or defending, to a level greater than the likes of Enel and Luffy (outside of Future Sight). With this, Sanji would be able to know what All Might would do prior to him even acting, and know exactly how to counter it.
Sanji also has really good speed amps, allowing him to go completely invisible to people Kenbun who were otherwise relative to him. He can also stack this FTE amp with his other amps, which alone also increase the level of his speed to levels that allow him to overwhelm those who were relative to his base.
On top of all this, Sanji has flames that have heat that scales over 5x where All Might's heat resistance scales to, which he uses in pretty much every attack.
For these reasons, I'll be voting Sanji medium difficulty due to All Might's superior range and experience, which would prompt All Might to try to zone Sanji out after realizing that he's physically superior to him, before Sanji taps into his speed amps and closes the distance.
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Sanji slaps the taste out of his mouth
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Sanji wins without any shadow of a doubt. But how does All Might stand a chance?
Kachon123, said All Might had superior range and would zone him out. However, that's extremely out of character for him. OFA All Might has never been shown to fight a battle at range in the entire series. All Might calls himself a close range combatant. All Might's first and most used style of fighting is a straight forward charge with no dodging. He's used to overpowering people with raw strength and is how he fights every single battle.
All Might isn't going to fight at range when he realizes he's weaker, since his ranged attacks are even weaker than his strikes. That's just how they work. His own shockwaves can't be strong enough to even hurt himself, or the recoil of his own attacks would damage himself. But that's not the case.
Yeah, Prime All Might doesn't has any ranged attacks that could harm Sanji. His shockwave attacks are above High 6-C but don't scale to 6-B. Case in point, Complete Shigaraki attacked multiple heroes with his shockwaves and even declared that he was on par with All Might.
Yet these characters are High 6-C and withstood that. All Might's shockwaves can blow away High 6-C characters, but they cannot hurt 6-B characters. The only reason it works for High 6-C is that characters like 100% Izuku had his shockwaves calculated at being High 6-C.
TL;DR: All Might lacks any chance at victory here. Sanji literally does almost everything he does but far better. Falling behind only in range/AOE.
Kachon123, said All Might had superior range and would zone him out. However, that's extremely out of character for him. OFA All Might has never been shown to fight a battle at range in the entire series. All Might calls himself a close range combatant. All Might's first and most used style of fighting is a straight forward charge with no dodging. He's used to overpowering people with raw strength and is how he fights every single battle.
All Might isn't going to fight at range when he realizes he's weaker, since his ranged attacks are even weaker than his strikes. That's just how they work. His own shockwaves can't be strong enough to even hurt himself, or the recoil of his own attacks would damage himself. But that's not the case.
Yeah, Prime All Might doesn't has any ranged attacks that could harm Sanji. His shockwave attacks are above High 6-C but don't scale to 6-B. Case in point, Complete Shigaraki attacked multiple heroes with his shockwaves and even declared that he was on par with All Might.
Yet these characters are High 6-C and withstood that. All Might's shockwaves can blow away High 6-C characters, but they cannot hurt 6-B characters. The only reason it works for High 6-C is that characters like 100% Izuku had his shockwaves calculated at being High 6-C.
TL;DR: All Might lacks any chance at victory here. Sanji literally does almost everything he does but far better. Falling behind only in range/AOE.
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Plus Ultra is an unknown amp at worst or a 25% increase at best if we go by this explanation.
Which is still inferior to Sanji normally. Up close All Might has no chance at all. Sanji is a vastly better fighter, can straight up see the future, has more strength/durability, can amp his speed/strength, and can burn All Might with superior heat beyond his resistance.
And as explained, All Might lacks any usable ranged attacks. So he can only fight up close.
Which is still inferior to Sanji normally. Up close All Might has no chance at all. Sanji is a vastly better fighter, can straight up see the future, has more strength/durability, can amp his speed/strength, and can burn All Might with superior heat beyond his resistance.
And as explained, All Might lacks any usable ranged attacks. So he can only fight up close.
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If Sanji is to much we can use Jesus burgess instead
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Swaped to Burgess
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Burguess FRA
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Like who?
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Eustass Kid
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Swapped to Jack
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Jack has higher physical strength and durability. He can also increase his already higher physical abilities with his Zona transformation as well.
All Might can go higher with Plus Ultra but it's not going to close the gap by any noticeable amount here.
I don't know how good Jack is in a fight, I don't like discussing "skillz" or whatever. But in a straight fight here I imagine the winner is whoever can last the longest.
Jack can fight for 5 days against two equal opponents, is far better than Prime All Might taking care of crime for over 72 hours. Since I doubt any of the people All Might fought were on the same level as himself and Prime AFO or something.
While the Lifting Strength calculation All Might scales to is slightly higher than what Jack scales to.
All Might: 93,006,374,246 Metric Tons. (This comes from Weakened All Might, who is vastly inferior to what he was in his Prime)
Jack: 90,444,749,000 Metric Tons. (This comes from Pre-Timeskip Luffy, who is vastly inferior to Jack that it isn't funny)
Both of them upscale from that number by a large amount. So I don't see All Might overpowering Jack here, who can be argued to be superior in this category.
So yeah, I'm voting Jack for superior stamina and higher physical strength.
All Might isn't some "skillz" god who can overcome this AP gap and his Plus Ultra is basically negated by Jack's Zona Transformation and his already higher AP/Dura.
None of this takes into his account how good his Haki is and the fact he has bladed weapons as well.
All Might can go higher with Plus Ultra but it's not going to close the gap by any noticeable amount here.
I don't know how good Jack is in a fight, I don't like discussing "skillz" or whatever. But in a straight fight here I imagine the winner is whoever can last the longest.
Jack can fight for 5 days against two equal opponents, is far better than Prime All Might taking care of crime for over 72 hours. Since I doubt any of the people All Might fought were on the same level as himself and Prime AFO or something.
While the Lifting Strength calculation All Might scales to is slightly higher than what Jack scales to.
All Might: 93,006,374,246 Metric Tons. (This comes from Weakened All Might, who is vastly inferior to what he was in his Prime)
Jack: 90,444,749,000 Metric Tons. (This comes from Pre-Timeskip Luffy, who is vastly inferior to Jack that it isn't funny)
Both of them upscale from that number by a large amount. So I don't see All Might overpowering Jack here, who can be argued to be superior in this category.
So yeah, I'm voting Jack for superior stamina and higher physical strength.
All Might isn't some "skillz" god who can overcome this AP gap and his Plus Ultra is basically negated by Jack's Zona Transformation and his already higher AP/Dura.
None of this takes into his account how good his Haki is and the fact he has bladed weapons as well.
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It actually can increase his speed a lot. Jack's Haki is actual garbage, so he isn't going to be outpacing All Might with senses.
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Jack nor All Might have speed amps on their profiles. What do you mean?
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The simple fact that he's a top commander of a Yonko and considered one of the 'monsters of the New World' by Doflamingo is enough to show that he is at least adept in Haki. You don't need layers upon layers to have good Haki.
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No he doesn't. It would be in his speed section if this was true.
The only mention of speed increase comes from using One For All period, which is what makes him 6-B and have Sub-Relativistic speeds in the first place.
It's only an amp to his base which isn't labeled on his profile for obvious reasons.
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I was gonna make a joke about “the Drought” being because he’s thirsty for Ws but, nope.
Jack FRA.
Jack FRA.
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Ah, fair enough. Nonetheless, it allowed him to land a massive barrage on Nomu, despite it being able to fight on par with him. Even if that isn't speed, his barrage can't really be countered in the middle, due to the nature of it being a barrage of attacks.
Uh... that isn't how that works. Being strong doesn't mean you have good Haki. Chopper is probably on par with Jack. Moria was fighting on par with Kaidou. Even if Jack has good Haki, it isn't in character.
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Jack FRA.
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That's wrong, his punch speed will be equal to Jack's speed so he can just dodge, block, or overpower with higher AP. All Might doesn't have some special magic ability to make his opponent stand still and do nothing or whatever would be needed for him to land multiple punches on Jack without interruption.
Nomu was never outpaced by All Might's barrage he matched him while in Plus Ultra just fine. Only the last hit got through and it looked like Nomu was staggering.
Have a feeling you're going off the anime, which isn't canon. This is the entire fight in the manga.
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This is how it work. Being stated to be among the strongest New World fighters while also being stated to have both Haki forms directly implies that Haki is a standard technique for him.
You have to prove that it isn't in character for him to use it, which there is none.
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Sorry, didn't mean in character, I meant standard tactics
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Haki is a standard tactic for most New World fighters, which was the entire reason why Rayleigh and Mihawk taught it to Luffy and Zoro. Logic demands that Jack, one of the strongest commanders of a Yonko and someone considered on of the "monsters" of the New World has Haki as one of his standard tactics.
