Jack is sent to kill a child. [4 MORE VOTES]

[AThe1412]

MGS4 Raiden is 8-A now.

 

[Greatsage13th]

MGS4 Raiden is 8-A now.

No prob, Ali is 1.9+ tons away from 8-A anyways

 

[AThe1412]

No prob, Ali is 1.9+ tons away from 8-A anyways

Ah alright then. If I were you, I'd wait for more Metal Gear supporters to show up. I heard the characters got some crazy skill chain going on.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Ah alright then. If I were you, I'd wait for more Metal Gear supporters to show up. I heard the characters got some crazy skill chain going on.

You could probably change the tide of votes if you can elaborate.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

You could probably change the tide of votes if you can elaborate.

Mgs skills get bonkers, just contact Chariot and find out

 

[Greatsage13th]

Mgs skills get bonkers, just contact Chariot and find out

Could you do it instead as a favor?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Could you do it instead as a favor?

Ok

 

[Greatsage13th]

Ok

Thanks

 

[Chariot190]

I don't wanna write a skill essay im actually finishing up the part 3 and jodio CRT right now, putting the hermit purple scans in the sandbox atm, and finished kak a few minutes ago
So uh, be more specific like ask something and I should be able to answer that instead
Raiden is over 14 skill stomps above mf's who know super martial arts and have skill acel dev, analprecog and can learn and master moves at a glance mid-combat.

 

[Chariot190]

There is also that chariot guy

all im good for huh

 

[Greatsage13th]

I don't wanna write a skill essay im actually finishing up the part 3 and jodio CRT right now, putting the hermit purple scans in the sandbox atm, and finished kak a few minutes ago
So uh, be more specific like ask something and I should be able to answer that instead
Raiden is over 14 skill stomps above mf's who know super martial arts and have skill acel dev, analprecog and can learn and master moves at a glance mid-combat.

What can he do to beat the child up who has 2 6-C shields floating around him while he charges up a 6-C attack with his tops to launch at Raiden?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

What can he do to beat the child up who has 2 6-C shields floating around him while he charges up a 6-C attack with his tops to launch at Raiden?

Chaff Grenade

 

[Chariot190]

What can he do to beat the child up who has 2 6-C shields floating around him while he charges up a 6-C attack with his tops to launch at Raiden?

Quantum duraneg sword to disrupt the quantum structure of them?
Literally just **** off using his gigachad stealth, and then pick him off at a later point, something entirely in character and was trained to do.
Chaff grenades to stop all technological devices within about a 100m radius for about 50 seconds.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Quantum duraneg sword to disrupt the quantum structure of them?

The only high frequency blades are stated to do is disrupt electron clouds, not really severing 1 dimensional quantum strings. As far as science says, that's absolutely useless against plasma because it has a net charge of 0.

Literally just ***** off using his gigachad stealth, and then pick him off at a later point, something entirely in character and was trained to do.

Ali predicted the action of someone that wasn't even in his line of sight nor did he have prior knowledge of the character's location to begin with.

Chaff grenades to stop all technological devices within about a 100m radius for about 50 seconds.

So that thing disables technology but wouldn't that be a double edged sword considering Raiden himself has a technology based suit and high frequency blades are just technology to begin with, he also does not have resistance to whatever the chaff grenades are designed to do listed on his 8-A key.

 

[Chariot190]

The only high frequency blades are stated to do is disrupt electron clouds, not really severing 1 dimensional quantum strings. As far as science says, that's absolutely useless against plasma because it has a net charge of 0.

What?


They do a hell of a lot more than just that brother, but yeah, it works on a quantum scale, it's why he has quantum manip listed.

Ali predicted the action of someone that wasn't even in his line of sight nor did he have prior knowledge of the character's location to begin with.

So? MGS dudes can stealth SKULLS and dudes with actual precog.
Even someone like Venom can instantly react to dudes teleporting out of nowhere from behind and instantly turn it into a disarm counter and bisect them. Raiden is above being able to stealth Genomes, who have all of Big Boss's super senses.

So that thing disables technology but wouldn't that be a double edged sword considering Raiden himself has a technology based suit and high frequency blades are just technology to begin with, he also does not have resistance to whatever the chaff grenades are designed to do listed on his 8-A key.

Needless to say, Raiden is immune (and his cyborgization is more semi-organic type like Android 17/18, even using white blood and artificial muscles, it isnt until MGR that he gets super sci-fi tech), the only thing it'd disable is his soliton radar, whch you see it do it the clip above actually

 

[AnAverageUsername]

The only high frequency blades are stated to do is disrupt electron clouds, not really severing 1 dimensional quantum strings. As far as science says, that's absolutely useless against plasma because it has a net charge of 0.

That is the quantum level. Electrons are sub-atomic, which is quantum.

 

[Chariot190]

Also, let's not forget Raiden as apart of his training, had to defeat a simulation of a mf who is always using mind reading, precog + retrocog and more to know what will always happen and avoid it through intangibility and teleportation and he was also able to go invisible (He also has FOXHOUND training, which basically means he himself has peak irl training in black ops).

Spoiler: FOXHOUND

After FOXHOUND was organized into an official unit, very strict selection procedures were adopted. Firstly, potential recruits were only chosen from various special forces. Recruits must also pass exams in three different aspects:

Physical

• Physical fitness test
• Short distance running
• Uninterrupted performance of 80 push-upsUninterrupted performance of 100 sit-ups
• 50-meter free stroke swim
• Combat diving skill
• Cross-country march (traveling 64 km [40 miles] in under 15 hours, carrying a 30 kg [67 pounds] backpack)

Psychological

• Mental recovery, concentration, endurance, self-control and the fortitude to overcome difficult situations
• ESP expectancy score
• Marksmanship
• Recognizing and making decisions in emergency situations

Intelligence

• Foreign languages
• Foreign geography
• Knowledge of world events
• Advanced technology
• Medical procedures
• Detonation operations
• Stealth communication
• Foreign weaponry

After passing the selection courses, the recruits then partake in professional training exercises (also known as drills), which include:

• Battlefield survival (14 weeks)
• Shooting practice (must score at least 95% for a target at 914 m [3,000 ft], and 100% for a target at 548 m [1,800 ft])
• Guard patrol
• Mountaineering
• Hand-to-hand combat
• Border infiltration
• Guerrilla warfare
• Land navigation
• Map-reading
• Escape and evasion
• Combat medical skills
• Rebelling and Ranger practice
• Weapons familiarization
• Nautical vehicle control and navigation
• Diving and underwater infiltration
• Canoeing
• Basic military parachute skills (4 weeks)
  • Special operations freefall practice (High-Altitude, Low-Opening [HALO] and High-Altitude, High-Opening [HAHO])
  • 11 jumps carrying little to no combat equipment ("Hollywood")
  • 15 jumps with full combat equipment
  • 2 nighttime jumps
  • 2 mass-tactical strategic jumps
• Intelligence gathering
• Language and customs of the destination country (4 weeks)
• Stealth techniques
• Improvised explosive devices
• Utilization of high-tech equipment
• Communications (16 weeks)
• Medical exam (10 weeks)

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Yeah, I think I'm gonna go with Raiden

 

[AThe1412]

"Raiden, you killed a child... AMAZING! MISSION COMPLETE! That right there is why you're the Ripper, Jack. The one and only!"
Cyborg Ninja FRA.

 

[Doggo]

Raiden FRA

 

[Greatsage13th]

Also, let's not forget Raiden as apart of his training, had to defeat a simulation of a mf who is always using mind reading, precog + retrocog and more to know what will always happen and avoid it through intangibility and teleportation and he was also able to go invisible (He also has FOXHOUND training, which basically means he himself has peak irl training in black ops).

Spoiler: FOXHOUND

After FOXHOUND was organized into an official unit, very strict selection procedures were adopted. Firstly, potential recruits were only chosen from various special forces. Recruits must also pass exams in three different aspects:

Physical

• Physical fitness test
• Short distance running
• Uninterrupted performance of 80 push-upsUninterrupted performance of 100 sit-ups
• 50-meter free stroke swim
• Combat diving skill
• Cross-country march (traveling 64 km [40 miles] in under 15 hours, carrying a 30 kg [67 pounds] backpack)

Psychological

• Mental recovery, concentration, endurance, self-control and the fortitude to overcome difficult situations
• ESP expectancy score
• Marksmanship
• Recognizing and making decisions in emergency situations

Intelligence

• Foreign languages
• Foreign geography
• Knowledge of world events
• Advanced technology
• Medical procedures
• Detonation operations
• Stealth communication
• Foreign weaponry

After passing the selection courses, the recruits then partake in professional training exercises (also known as drills), which include:

• Battlefield survival (14 weeks)
• Shooting practice (must score at least 95% for a target at 914 m [3,000 ft], and 100% for a target at 548 m [1,800 ft])
• Guard patrol
• Mountaineering
• Hand-to-hand combat
• Border infiltration
• Guerrilla warfare
• Land navigation
• Map-reading
• Escape and evasion
• Combat medical skills
• Rebelling and Ranger practice
• Weapons familiarization
• Nautical vehicle control and navigation
• Diving and underwater infiltration
• Canoeing
• Basic military parachute skills (4 weeks)
  • Special operations freefall practice (High-Altitude, Low-Opening [HALO] and High-Altitude, High-Opening [HAHO])
  • 11 jumps carrying little to no combat equipment ("Hollywood")
  • 15 jumps with full combat equipment
  • 2 nighttime jumps
  • 2 mass-tactical strategic jumps
• Intelligence gathering
• Language and customs of the destination country (4 weeks)
• Stealth techniques
• Improvised explosive devices
• Utilization of high-tech equipment
• Communications (16 weeks)
• Medical exam (10 weeks)

Should definitely create a CRT to amp Raiden to genius level intelligence if this much BS. In all honesty, this seems more like a sold stomp for Raiden if we're to be honest. Ali has zero win conditions because of the stealth x skill x experience that Ali definitely, would not be able to deal with.

What?


They do a hell of a lot more than just that brother, but yeah, it works on a quantum scale, it's why he has quantum manip listed.

But. It only specifically severs atoms apart and nothing more. Not even quarks or something elseish.

So? MGS dudes can stealth SKULLS and dudes with actual precog.
Even someone like Venom can instantly react to dudes teleporting out of nowhere from behind and instantly turn it into a disarm counter and bisect them. Raiden is above being able to stealth Genomes, who have all of Big Boss's super senses.

Yeah, stomp.

Needless to say, Raiden is immune (and his cyborgization is more semi-organic type like Android 17/18, even using white blood and artificial muscles, it isnt until MGR that he gets super sci-fi tech), the only thing it'd disable is his soliton radar, whch you see it do it the clip above actually

Make a CRT and give him resistance to Emps or something.

 

[Doggo]

Should definitely create a CRT to amp Raiden to genius level intelligence if this much BS. In all honesty, this seems more like a sold stomp for Raiden if we're to be honest.

Yeah lol, MG chars need to have at least 5000 words for their intelligence lmfao

 

[Greatsage13th]

Yeah lol, MG chars need to have at least 5000 words for their intelligence lmfao

Had Chariot simply been the first to give the argument I wouldn't be bumping a stomp thread.

 

[Chariot190]

Should definitely create a CRT to amp Raiden to genius level intelligence if this much BS. In all honesty, this seems more like a sold stomp for Raiden if we're to be honest. Ali has zero win conditions because of the stealth x skill x experience that Ali definitely, would not be able to deal with.

Look under my pfp even though it's been like 400 days now, we don't talk about the incident tho. Also nah dude, you misunderstood, that's all for the dude he beat the shit out of. That shit applies to any mf who joined FOXHOUND after that V. He has it too though, but his scaling goes so ******* far beyond just lmao good army training that it isn't even relevant to mention when talking about him.

Make a CRT and give him resistance to Emps or something.

Chaffs and EMP's aren't the same, Chaff's do wacky signal transfer fuckery through a bunch of metallic sheets in the atmosphere. EMP's might actually daze him? At least for a few seconds as in MGR, but MGR EMP's are ******* wildly powerful and he has way more tech built in at that point.

 

[Chariot190]

But. It only specifically severs atoms apart and nothing more. Not even quarks or something elseish.

Quantum decoherence at a plank scale goes wild brother. To put that into perspective, if a Planck length was equal to ~1.6m (about 5′3″), a quark would be a little over a lightyear (I stole this).

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Look under my pfp even though it's been like 400 days now, we don't talk about the incident tho.

You still have jojo as well at least your taste is based

 

[Greatsage13th]

Quantum decoherence at a plank scale goes wild brother. To put that into perspective, if a Planck length was equal to ~1.6m (about 5′3″), a quark would be a little over a lightyear (I stole this).

Yeah...but it mainly affects electron clouds. Wouldn't do jack**** against anything less than plasma.

 

[Chariot190]

Yeah...but it mainly affects electron clouds. Wouldn't do jack**** against anything less than plasma.

Yeah it would? It ***** shit up down to a Planck length, disrupting electron clouds is one of several fuckys the HF blades do. which in and of itself is a simplification.

Plasma here isn't doing much, if it solidifies into forcefields, well, the HF Blade would just disrupt that completely and cause it to lose coherence.

 

[AThe1412]

Yeah it would? It ***** shit up down to a Planck length, disrupting electron clouds is one of several fuckys the HF blades do. which in and of itself is a simplification.

Plasma here isn't doing much, if it solidifies into forcefields, well, the HF Blade would just disrupt that completely and cause it to lose coherence.

Is there even anything that the HF blades can't cut through? (Not counting Armstrong because nanomachines)

 

[Greatsage13th]

Yeah it would? It ***** shit up down to a Planck length, disrupting electron clouds is one of several fuckys the HF blades do. which in and of itself is a simplification.

Plasma here isn't doing much, if it solidifies into forcefields, well, the HF Blade would just disrupt that completely and cause it to lose coherence.

Plasma is plasma. Plasma ain't a solid. Like just because you can compress gas into a smaller volume doesn't make it a liquid or solid. Plasma also lacks electron clouds due to the fact electron clouds are virtually non existent in anything lower than the state of gas. You're basically trying to cut soup.

 

[Chariot190]

Plasma is plasma. Plasma ain't a solid. Like just because you can compress gas into a smaller volume doesn't make it a liquid or solid. Plasma also lacks electron clouds due to the fact electron clouds are virtually non existent in anything lower than the state of gas. You're basically trying to cut soup.

This plasma is solid enough to protect is it not? It evidently doesn't have the same atomic structure otherwise it wouldn't be protecting or blocking anything to begin with, as you said, it'd be like a gaseous liquid, the sword would go straight through all the same in that case. You can't have both here.
also again, it does way more than just shrink electron clouds.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Is there even anything that the HF blades can't cut through? (Not counting Armstrong because nanomachines)

high 3-A dura probably

 

[Chariot190]

Is there even anything that the HF blades can't cut through? (Not counting Armstrong because nanomachines)

Things with exceptionally complex structuring like most cyborgs armor. (Think of it as the blades needing to remove it wall by wall). It still cuts through it, but it has to do it piece by piece.

 

[Greatsage13th]

This plasma is solid enough to protect is it not? It evidently doesn't have the same atomic structure otherwise it wouldn't be protecting or blocking anything to begin with, as you said, it'd be like a gaseous liquid, the sword would go straight through all the same in that case. You can't have both here.

"Solid" enough to act as a shield. But not a solid. We've consistently seen fiction having tech that can do things that leaves professionals scratching their heads. Such as medic's medigun that can heal someone with its energy, make someone invulnerable and vaporize someone at the same time.

also again, it does way more than just shrink electron clouds.

The man only said severing atoms. Plasma ain't atoms no more but its deceased corpse.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

"Solid" enough to act as a shield. But not a solid. We've consistently seen fiction having tech that can do things that leaves professionals scratching their heads. Such as medic's medigun that can heal someone with its energy, make someone invulnerable and vaporize someone at the same time.

The man only said severing atoms. Plasma ain't atoms no more but its deceased corpse.

That explanation was the dumbed down version as said by Kevin right after though, so obviously that isn't all

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Also a quick Google search is telling me that "a plasma is generally a mix of these positively charged ions and negatively charged electrons", so uhhhh

 

[Chariot190]

"Solid" enough to act as a shield. But not a solid. We've consistently seen fiction having tech that can do things that leaves professionals scratching their heads. Such as medic's medigun that can heal someone with its energy, make someone invulnerable and vaporize someone at the same time.

We are talking about plasma, is it solid? Ok then the HF Blade will disrupt the solidity of it. Is it not? hen the HF Blade would go through it anyway.

You can't have it "solid enough to act as a shield but not actually solid". It's one or the other.

The man only said severing atoms. Plasma ain't atoms no more but its deceased corpse.

You're like ignoring half of what he said lad. And it wouldn't even matter, this isn't basic bitch plasma. This plasma clearly has enough binding to act as a shield.

 

[Greatsage13th]

That explanation was the dumbed down version as said by Kevin right after though, so obviously that isn't all

If it severs atoms, it severs atoms. We ain't pulling a game theory right out our structurally superfluous old behind.

 

[Greatsage13th]

We are talking about plasma, is it solid? Ok then the HF Blade will disrupt the solidity of it. Is it not? hen the HF Blade would go through it anyway.

"By disrupting electron clouds"

You can't have it "solid enough to act as a shield but not actually solid". It's one or the other.

We have things that are both a liquid and a solid at the same time. Need I say more?

You're like ignoring half of what he said lad. And it wouldn't even matter, this isn't basic bitch plasma. This plasma clearly has enough binding to act as a shield.

Non-newtonian stuff exists. If that ain't basic plasma, then that is not basic plasma.

 

[Chariot190]

"By disrupting electron clouds"

Why are you ignoring half the text dump, let alone the other fuckton of HF blade lore? Not that it maters but still dude.

We have things that are both a liquid and a solid at the same time. Need I say more?

Yes actually, because that's a false equivalence, and technically that isn't literally true, we have things that can shift states in response to simuli, but at the same time. Not quite.

That is not the case with this plasma shit, it's solid enough to be a shield, but pretending it's actually gaseous ain't happening.

Non-newtonian stuff exists. If that ain't basic plasma, then that is not basic plasma.

Exactly? If the plasma is actually a solid, enough to even be a factor and can act as a shield, it's evidently solid, and if it's solid, Raiden can and will disrupt the binding of atoms that make it solid. The only way this isn't happening is if the plasma simply isn't solid, and if it isn't, he's cutting through that shit anyway given everything on him can withstand super-heated plasma.

But actually, I'm thinking your argument is that because plasma has a chunk of its atomic structure ripped of its electron clouds, it means the HF blade wouldn't work, but that very thing is what makes it a gaseous substance. If the plasma in question ISN'T gaseous, that inadvertently means that the plasma question has them still, otherwise it wouldn't even be capable of acting as a shield, and if it doesn't, it couldn't act as a shield anyway because it'd be in a state where things would just phase through it. If you want to argue plasma mechanics, you UNIRONICALLY can't have your cake and eat it too.
this is ignoring HF blades work on a smaller scale too but whatever.