Izuku Midoriya vs Ryo Shimazaki

[CiscoTheSoto]

Just use 8%, it’s more fair 5% especially given the new skill difference here

Fine. Don't really think there's that big a skill difference, or at least Deku should still be capable of eventually figuring out Shimazaki's teleport patterns, given that Hanazawa could figure them out with enough time. Besides, Deku with 8% has the AP advantage, and he has much higher stamina too.

Here I think Shimazaki would win with Mind's Eye: Deku's Analytical prediction wouldn't be enough to predict and react to Shimazaki's moves, and if he's hit multiple times in his weak spots and pressure points, even Deku probably wouldn't be able to withstand that. Only reason why this didn't apply to the match before was because of Danger Sense, but Deku doesn't have that here.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Deku in this key still shatters his bones into dust and responds by running straight into active combat. And Deku’s Analytical prediction in this key can predict moves from someone who he started fighting about 10 seconds ago, so once he’s got Shimazaki’s patterns down even a speed boost likely won’t help much. Along with that, in character Ryo didnt use it until he was already nearly beaten, so by that point it’s not gonna do much

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

Yea, you know what? I'm sticking with the 5%. THAT would make this match more fair. The AP gap isn't as large, and Deku could still probably predict his movements eventually since he's a smart fighter even then.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

That analysis feat I mentioned was from the overhaul arc, which we treat as being in UA Beginnings, as Joint Training arc starts recording feats at well, the joint training arc, which overhaul precedes. So it’s not like he’s much worse at analysis. The Iron soles as well give Deku a double impact, meaning his kicks are going to deal serious damage. The skill difference also won’t be too much now that I think about it, Deku fought and impressed people with much more experience and skill than he has, so a CQC fighter who’a easy to read likely isn’t going to be much trouble.
Also he has a higher LS (14 tons vs <15) so Ryo can’t exactly grapple and drown him easily. Combined with a heavy pain tolerance to reduce his bones to dust over and over again, and an unholy amount of will, and he’s got this in the bag.

Also by “U.A Beginnings“ Deku, do you mean he starts in base or he starts in 5%, because the wording on that is very important

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

@CiscoTheSoto also how would Mind’s eye affect Deku? He doesn’t have an esper aura, ya know cause He’s not an esper? (For reference, mind’s eye sharpens his senses until all he “sees” are esper auras and as we saw with Reigen, if a persons not an esper he can’t see them, he was terrified of Reigen because he thought he was an esper who could hide his aura, so would something similar happen here?)

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

Ok, you're really overestimating Deku and underestimating Shimazaki. U.A. Beginnings Saga basically refers to everything from the first arc to the Hideout Raid arc, here's the link for proof. There's no key for 8% Deku in the U.A. Beginnings Saga, and Overhaul and Lemillion are scaled to the Nabu Island feat. This also means that Deku doesn't have his Iron Soles to give him a double impact.

Though Hanazawa was able to read Shimazaki's moves, I think they aren't as easy to read as Hanazawa said for a few reasons. First, Hanazawa had already fought Shimazaki once before, and the second time, he had an army of several of the 7th division's top espers helping him, and even a few extra Scars to help in the manga. Fighting as a group allowed Hanazawa a much easier chance to study his movement patterns and figure out where he'd teleport. If it was just him fighting Shimazaki for Round two, I doubt it would've gone as well as it did.

Deku's advantages here are his higher AP, 5.13 tons, his incredible stamina, and his analytical mind. Even if he doesn't have the same analytical prediction as he did in Shie Hassaikai arc, he could still probably figure out Shimazaki's movements, and Shimazaki's biggest attacks probably wouldn't be too bad to deal with, since 5% Deku has endured large impacts with metal constructs. So eventually, Deku would have a better time reacting to Shimazaki's movements and potentially counterattack. However, Shimazaki would eventually he'd need to step it up and activate his Mind's Eye.

Mind's Eye doesn't apply solely for espers. It's just that the one time he used it, Shimazaki chose to focus only on espers. If he chose to focus on something else with Mind's Eye, the same would apply. On his profile page in his weaknesses section, it doesn't say, "Super Sensory "Mind's Eye" only works on espers." It just says, "Super Sensory "Mind's Eye" makes him unable to sense whatever he doesn't focus his 'antenna' on." Reigen was able to surprise Shimazaki because he wasn't an esper and Shimazaki's senses were only focused on predicting the moves of espers. So if he focused his antennae on Deku, he's be able to better read his movements and his weak points. Now Deku might still be able to keep on fighting even after that, but I think he'd be too weakened to put up any real struggle.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Ok, you're really overestimating Deku and underestimating Shimazaki. U.A. Beginnings Saga basically refers to everything from the first arc to the Hideout Raid arc, here's the link for proof. There's no key for 8% Deku in the U.A. Beginnings Saga, and Overhaul and Lemillion are scaled to the Nabu Island feat. This also means that Deku doesn't have his Iron Soles to give him a double impact.

then why would they never specify it being only in joint training arc and beyond. Overhaul is scaled below the Nabu island feat, just as U.A beginnings Saga Deku, and Lemillion is scaled to 8% because he beat the breaks off 8%. Here’s quote for reference (Survived multiple hits from Deku using Full Cowl 100%, who at the time should be somewhat weaker than in his battle against Nine)

Though Hanazawa was able to read Shimazaki's moves, I think they aren't as easy to read as Hanazawa said for a few reasons. First, Hanazawa had already fought Shimazaki once before, and the second time, he had an army of several of the 7th division's top espers helping him, and even a few extra Scars to help in the manga. Fighting as a group allowed Hanazawa a much easier chance to study his movement patterns and figure out where he'd teleport. If it was just him fighting Shimazaki for Round two, I doubt it would've gone as well as it did.

Deku's advantages here are his higher AP, 5.13 tons, his incredible stamina, and his analytical mind. Even if he doesn't have the same analytical prediction as he did in Shie Hassaikai arc, he could still probably figure out Shimazaki's movements, and Shimazaki's biggest attacks probably wouldn't be too bad to deal with, since 5% Deku has endured large impacts with metal constructs. So eventually, Deku would have a better time reacting to Shimazaki's movements and potentially counterattack. However, Shimazaki would eventually he'd need to step it up and activate his Mind's Eye.

Mind's Eye doesn't apply solely for espers. It's just that the one time he used it, Shimazaki chose to focus only on espers. If he chose to focus on something else with Mind's Eye, the same would apply. On his profile page in his weaknesses section, it doesn't say, "Super Sensory "Mind's Eye" only works on espers." It just says, "Super Sensory "Mind's Eye" makes him unable to sense whatever he doesn't focus his 'antenna' on." Reigen was able to surprise Shimazaki because he wasn't an esper and Shimazaki's senses were only focused on predicting the moves of espers. So if he focused his antennae on Deku, he's be able to better read his movements and his weak points. Now Deku might still be able to keep on fighting even after that, but I think he'd be too weakened to put up any real struggle.

And who would Shimazaki focus on? Espers. He has no prior knowledge and with how varied esper ability’s are in Mob Psycho he’d have no reason to assume Deku isn’t using psychic abilities and using a different power source instead.
Also the profile directly states an opponent can overcome the blows if they are stronger enough. Deku has higher base ap and durability and treats attacks from people far higher than him as just another Tuesday, he took blows from Wolfram (who’ve you’ve mentioned) who is superior to him, was pinned down multiple times by attacks higher than him and kept getting up over and over again. Deku has the will and stamina to outlast Mind’s Eyes blows, especially because you never specified How U.A beginnings Deku stats, is he in base or is he in 5% starting? (This is very Important).
He‘s also smarter than what you’re giving him, he figured out all the inner workings of stains quirk after being effected once, and figured out mount lady and ibara’s quirks strengths/weaknesses by watching them, once (He hadn’t even seen Mt. Lady for a minute). Ryo’s movements would be incredibly predictable in comparison

 

[Epiccheev]

And who would Shimazaki focus on? Espers. He has no prior knowledge and with how varied esper ability’s are in Mob Psycho he’d have no reason to assume Deku isn’t using psychic abilities and using a different power source instead.

Just gonna have to correct this part. The moment Shimazaki perceives Deku he will immediately know he's not an Esper. Espers are capable of sensing each other among large crowds of people and seeing their Aura, and Shimazaki in special has the best ESP in the series. Someone who does not have Psychic energy or use Qi based martial arts would not qualify as an esper in the Mob Psycho world. He also chose to focus on Psychic energy because it was something everyone there had, wich also allowed him to see the normally invisible telekinetic waves and even tell what they would use their TK on or direct their attacks.

He most likely wouldn't be able to focus on Quirk Factor wich is a genetic component. But in this case there's just one opponent, so he'd likely focus on Deku alone and his movements. When he's using mind's eye his perception gains a boost, allowing him to both see opponents in slow motion and predict their movements better, making the same Teruki who called him predictable and was predicting his movements uncapable of perceiving him (mind you,these are characters capable of taking an extended beating from him.). And on top of that he can also perceive things like weakness, with a single strike making Teruki sight become blurred to the point of almost blindness and his body unable to move.
Using it also means Ryo went 100% serious, so no monologuing or giving Deku time to find out what this move is about. Thanks to his enhanced durability and multiple quirks (In special Shadow whip) it's possible that while focusing purely on his body Deku would take more than a single hit to incapacitate, wich gives him a small timeframe to use his spider sense precog to lay a trap for Shimazaki (either by making some high speed rubble hit him or just Shadow whip), since he'd be like 10-A in durability towards it.

What's the difference between Deku's durability and Shimazaki's AP in this key?

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

Using it also means Ryo went 100% serious, so no monologuing or giving Deku time to find out what this move is about. Thanks to his enhanced durability and multiple quirks (In special Shadow whip) it's possible that while focusing purely on his body Deku would take more than a single hit to incapacitate, wich gives him a small timeframe to use his spider sense precog to lay a trap for Shimazaki (either by making some high speed rubble hit him or just Shadow whip), since he'd be like 10-A in durability towards it.

This is U.A. Beginnings Saga Deku. He doesn't have Danger Sense or Blackwhip to assist him.

What's the difference between Deku's durability and Shimazaki's AP in this key?

Shimazaki's AP is 3.09 tons, while Deku's AP and durability scales to 5.13 tons based off being able to withstand Bakugo's strongest explosions. So there's an AP gap but not a substantial one, meaning Shimazaki should be able to damage Deku without too much difficulty.

 

[Epiccheev]

So he only has One for All here? Then yeah, once Shimazaki goes mind's eye he sweeps. His durability will stay the same for direct physical strikes and he will be much harder to hit and dodge.
Only way for Deku to get him after he uses it is by immediately pounding the ground with all his might and hoping the shockwave and stray rubble kills him.
But there's no real way to anticipate what Mind eye is going to do before he does it, since it's entirely related to his senses (unless we wank Deku's analytical precog to literal mind reading.) and his pressure points will greatly impair Deku's ability to fight back.

 

[FantaRin_The_First]

Hm... So, I assume it is okay for me to vote for Shimazaki FRA now?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Shimazaki FRA

 

[Harith0cell]

Ryo shimazaki fra.

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

Bump

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

Bump

 

[Popted2]

Shimazaki FRA

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

I’ve stopped trying at this point, 5% Deku has only stamina as a Trude advantage, as Cisco himself said 5.13 vs 3.07 is an insignificant difference.
Ryo probably has higher LS anyways given 5% is lower than 8% while Ryo is superior to Teruki. So like shit, his only real option is to die

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Cisco why did you like my comment I quite literally just said this is a painful slow death for Deku he can’t stop ever

 

[Greatsage13th]

Cisco why did you like my comment I quite literally just said this is a painful slow death for Deku he can’t stop ever

Probably because he finds it appropriate