It's Time For 8-C Batman Again

[MrSpockVulcan]

If we are treating everyone who makes Batman bleed as scaling to him than we might we make everyone 8-C, and I mean everyone even random thugs and regular dudes. Which is obviously not happening.

I mean, the problem with scaling Batman to tier 8 overall is that for his stories to have tension, he has to be threatened by firearms and henchmen, and that's consistent.

But I think we can scale the relevant characters who are portrayed as skilled fighters up to him instead of saying the gap is so large that they're invulnerable.

 

[LandonTheGuy]

8-B batman when?

 

[Un_Maruchan_Crudo]

Yes, actually. Not Jason though, he has scaling with Nightwing, but I don't see the issue with having Damian, Tim, Barbara, Selina and the others not scaling to Batman, considering they don't have feats and no scaling indication with him. I don't think that's so absurd to say "are we seriously doing that??" like Damian isn't just a kid compared to Batman, trained or not, and has no business scaling to him considering Nightwing completely moggs Damian in training and treats him like an amateur

I mean, they should be 'At least 9-A', right? Like, they gotta lot of feats on that tier

 

[M3X_2.0]

I mean, the problem with scaling Batman to tier 8 overall is that for his stories to have tension, he has to be threatened by firearms and henchmen, and that's consistent.

Not really, Batsuit has been bulletproof for a few decades now, bullets are a nonissue to him, and the henchmen part is false, Batman easily deals with 99% of them with no effort whatsoever, Batman moved on from being a simple street level dude several years ago. His stories are mystical and fantastical, ans the tension comes from those concepts.

But I think we can scale the relevant characters who are portrayed as skilled fighters up to him instead of saying the gap is so large that they're invulnerable.

Again, they don't have relevant and necessary feats that warrant them scaling, using Selina as an example since you posted a feat from her, she is the one that has trouble with henchmen, not Batman, her stories are usually just crime related and she doesn't have feats in the same scale as Batman, Batman easily deals with her very casually. Why would we scale any of these to Batman when he easily deals with most of them effortlessly?

I mean, they should be 'At least 9-A', right? Like, they gotta lot of feats on that tier

If it's their average then yes

 

[Un_Maruchan_Crudo]

I think it'd be fair to say their average should be in a low or mid range of the 9-A tier for most of them if you don't scale them directly to Batman or such, ye'

 

[Armorchompy]

is the 9-A high enough that it could feasibly hurt Batman's 8-C rating? That helps make it a bit more believable

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

Not really, Batsuit has been bulletproof for a few decades now, bullets are a nonissue to him, and the henchmen part is false, Batman easily deals with 99% of them with no effort whatsoever, Batman moved on from being a simple street level dude several years ago. His stories are mystical and fantastical, ans the tension comes from those concepts.

You were the one who said he could get hurt by those guys:

If we are treating everyone who makes Batman bleed as scaling to him than we might we make everyone 8-C, and I mean everyone even random thugs and regular dudes. Which is obviously not happening.

Again, they don't have relevant and necessary feats that warrant them scaling, using Selina as an example since you posted a feat from her, she is the one that has trouble with henchmen, not Batman, her stories are usually just crime related and she doesn't have feats in the same scale as Batman, Batman easily deals with her very casually. Why would we scale any of these to Batman when he easily deals with most of them effortlessly?

She's still capable of knocking him out and making him bleed, man, it doesn't make sense for the gap to be so huge. In one of the scans you posted, we see her injuring him.

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

I would also like to remind you that Harley has already knocked out Killer Croc once:

 

[KLOL506]

Didn't Deadshot have a 9-B+ feat? I'm sure the gang has multiple such feats within the 9-B to 9-A range.

Also aren't some of the instances of Catwoman making Batman bleed via her whip and claws?

 

[Un_Maruchan_Crudo]

is the 9-A high enough that it could feasibly hurt Batman's 8-C rating? That helps make it a bit more believable

Well, it mostly depends but, i wouldn't say they own feats are thaat high into the 9-A tier, like, most of the feats aren't near 100 Kg of tnt

Didn't Deadshot have a 9-B+ feat? I'm sure the gang has multiple such feats within the 9-B to 9-A range.

Also aren't some of the instances of Catwoman making Batman bleed via her whip and claws?

Deadshot has a Building level feat with that explosion i send earlier, but there's also he cracking a wall in the same comic, but it's not as nearly as powerful lol

 

[RaikiKurohane99]

Makes sense to me

 

[Hellbeast]

Tbh I think Nightwing should have a case for scaling if it’s not already accepted

 

[Tomfer]

Tbh I think Nightwing should have a case for scaling if it’s not already accepted

Nightwing and Cass clearly scales but Tim and Damian don't, imo.

 

[Un_Maruchan_Crudo]

Well, i got more feats and so.

The Outsiders run from 1983 is canon to Post-Crisis Batman as seen on Batman and the Outsiders (2007), Issue #40, Page 3 (Can't attach the image lol). You should check that 2007 run, Black Lightning tanks 2 lightning bolts on the special issue, lolll

In that run, we see these two feats to reinforce tje tier. There's also on of their enemies called the Cyclotronic Man that exploded part of a building on Black Lightning (1977), Issue #5, Pages 9-11.

Also, i totally think Tim should scale. He fights lotta people on his 1993 Robin run

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Well, i got more feats and so.

The Outsiders run from 1983 is canon to Post-Crisis Batman as seen on Batman and the Outsiders (2007), Issue #40, Page 3 (Can't attach the image lol)

In that run, we see these two feats to reinforce tje tier. There's also on of their enemies called the Cyclotronic Man that exploded part of a building on Black Lightning (1977), Issue #5, Pages 9-11.

Also, i totally think Tim should scale. He fights lotta people on his 1993 Robin run

You really are the GOAT.

 

[Hellbeast]

I was also hoping to ask
How does Black Lightning compare to the other heroes physically? Because he does have a decent building bust survival feat

 

[HenshinIntervention]

I was also hoping to ask
How does Black Lightning compare to the other heroes physically? Because he does have a decent building bust survival feat

If he's not particularly relevant to Batman then this should be on another thread.

 

[Un_Maruchan_Crudo]

I was also hoping to ask
How does Black Lightning compare to the other heroes physically? Because he does have a decent building bust survival feat

Batman fought against him and Katana on Superman/Batman (2003), Issue #3, Page 3, i think it's fair to say there's nothing to put Black Lightning as superior to Batman, they've been relatives at much since the 80s. And yes, BL has some good feats, as i said, he tanked two lightning bolts on the Batman and the Outsiders (2007) Special Issue

 

[Hellbeast]

Batman fought against him and Katana on Superman/Batman (2003), Issue #3, Page 3, i think it's fair to say there's nothing to put Black Lightning as superior to Batman, they've been relatives at much since the 80s. And yes, BL has some good feats, as i said, he tanked two lightning bolts on the Batman and the Outsiders (2007) Special Issue

In that case, this feat might be relevant

 

[Un_Maruchan_Crudo]

In that case, this feat might be relevant

Yeah, that's the feat from Green Arrow (2001) Issues #57-58. I'll try to calc it later.

He has other good feats, as;

1. Blows a big building with his powers (Black Lightning (1995) Issue #1, Pages 21-24)
2. Can fight Demolition (Black Lightning (1995), Issue #9, Página 11), who can destroys buildings (Black Lightning (1995), Issue #9, Page 11)
3. From his original run (Hella recommended btw), It's stated he has the power oa hurracaine (Black Lightning (1977), Issue #3, Page 9 & Black Lightning (1977), Issue #10, Page 14f

 

[Hellbeast]

How powerful are Hurricanes? I’m presuming it’s a bit higher then the stuff we’ve got for Bruce this far

 

[Un_Maruchan_Crudo]

How powerful are Hurricanes? I’m presuming it’s a bit higher then the stuff we’ve got for Bruce this far

The smallest tornados are around 2.18 tons, idk about hurracaines

 

[Hellbeast]

Yeah I’m that case it might be opening a can of worms to get into Black Lightning’s scaling vs Mark

 

[Rex_Eckles]

The smallest tornados are around 2.18 tons, idk about hurracaines

Their winds are like 8-A.

 

[Un_Maruchan_Crudo]

Their winds are like 8-A.

It might be an hyperbole, even if it was legit, 8-A is def an otulier