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I guess that might work, but that is only for her own subjective timeframes and not the actual time frame
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What you're not mentioning is that the scene cuts away from Ishtar preparing to use her NP and glowing, and in that scene there are clouds behind her, such that one of two things is true:Embracetophats said:
additional info, but in the story, there is a good time gap between ishtar activating her NP and people even realising that it is coming and the shockwaves from its travel being felt. It is long enough for Gil to give a speech. Such a thing shouldnt be possible if the meteor didnt actually make the travel and just appeared there.
In fact, in Babylonia they were already in the age of gods so there would be no reason for Ishtar to use time travel there to access venus either
A couple of points in response. First, that's only inconsistent with 1. It's not necessarily inconsistent with 2. For all we know, Romani isn't even reacting to the arrow's approach, but to the NP's activation (which he knows is aimed at the ziggurat's base). Second, Ishtar's NP has an AoE effect the size of a mountain range, which somewhat diminishes the importance of the arrow's speed. So unless you think that higher-level spells/sorceries/noble phantasms are always faster than lower level ones (which I'm pretty sure is empirically false, actually), I don't see how you can confidently scale it the way you seem to be trying to.Embracetophats said:Mainly becuase of regular magecraft being able to generate lightning and lightspeed attacks via elemental replication quite easily nd servants can casually dodge those and so, ishtar and her NP would be comparable to those, but that would make it impossible to say that it travels slowly through the atmosphere
Heaven's Hole (ÒâÿÒâûÒâ│Òé║ÒâøÒâ╝Òâ½, Hebunzuhōru?) is the Noble Phantasm of Kiara Sessyoi when manifested as a Servant. As Beast III, it is referred to as Sukh─üvat─½ - Heaven's Hole (Òé╣Òé½Òâ╝Òâ┤ÒéíÒâåÒéúÒâ╝Òâ╗ÒâÿÒâûÒâ│Òé║ÒâøÒâ╝Òâ½, Suk─üvat─½ - Hebunzuhōru?), while as an Alter Ego, it is referred to as Amit─übha Amidala - Heaven's Hole: Pleasure Heaven - The Womb Realm Mandala (Õ┐½µÑ¢Õñ®Òâ╗ÞâÄÞöÁµø╝Þì╝þ¥àÒéóÒâƒÒâÇÒéóÒâƒÒâçÒâÑÒâ®Òâ╗ÒâÿÒâûÒâ│Òé║ÒâøÒâ╝Òâ½, Kairakuten - TaizōmandaraAmidaamidura - Hebunzuhōru?).Dysmity said:>No Empire, I am simply trying to unravel the mess you are making.
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Nothing much to say on the actual topic though. I agree with Lance's and SS2V. All others mentions of abilities/techniques have always been emphasized on being a limited form/application of/something that is related to True Magic. Meanwhile, such thing hasn't been even hinted on when it came to Ishtar N
Also i'd also like to know where Kiara NP is stated to be the Third Magic
SS2V said:A couple of points in response. First, that's only inconsistent with 1. It's not necessarily inconsistent with 2. For all we know, Romani isn't even reacting to the arrow's approach, but to the NP's activation (which he knows is aimed at the ziggurat's base). Second, Ishtar's NP has an AoE effect the size of a mountain range, which somewhat diminishes the importance of the arrow's speed. So unless you think that higher-level spells/sorceries/noble phantasms are always faster than lower level ones (which I'm pretty sure is empirically false, actually), I don't see how you can confidently scale it the way you seem to be trying to.Embracetophats said:Mainly becuase of regular magecraft being able to generate lightning and lightspeed attacks via elemental replication quite easily nd servants can casually dodge those and so, ishtar and her NP would be comparable to those, but that would make it impossible to say that it travels slowly through the atmosphere
Have you done this? You can also use the Knowledgeable Members List.Antvasima said:You can ask some of the active and experienced members listed in the Nasuverse page to comment here.
i haveAntvasima said:Have you done this? You can also use the Knowledgeable Members List.Antvasima said:You can ask some of the active and experienced members listed in the Nasuverse page to comment here.
Paul Frank said:The problem with this upgrade is that there is absolutely no reason that Ishtar would decide to warp the shot forward in time but not closer to her opponent especially considering at the very start of the np Ishtar warps through time and space in one movement.
This upgrade is basically saying that Ishtar warped back in time and to Venus in one movement. Shot her np from Venus in the past and sent it to the future but then decided to let it fly from Venus to Earth rather than move it through space as well even though the previous time she time traveled, she moved through space.
I agree with this.Iapitus The Impaler said:I think it makes more sense that the speed of the shot cannot be quantified since it travels through time while it travels through space. Thus, there is no way to properly deduce the time frame of the attack. I guess it would be Unknown speed via her NP
Embracetophats said:A- not possible because he says it after the vibrations start being felt
B- "unless you think that higher-level spells/sorceries/noble phantasms are always faster than lower level ones (which I'm pretty sure is empirically false, actually)"
depends on the magic, but the only difference between a one count spell and a lenghtier spell is the power and activation speed
"The meaning behind that string of Runes was most likely "creation." Which meant Touko Aozaki's skill in Runes was so great, she could use Rune magecraft to draw the Runes themselves.
Feeling his hair stand on end, Svin leapt backwards. Thanks to his Bestial Magecraft, he had more than enough speed to outpace even the activation of a Single Action spell."
"But even so, the sight of it sent a wave of fear through me.
The time it would take to swing my scythe was only a single breath. But even faster was the movement of Touko's magical energy.
The overwhelming speed of a Single Action spell wasn't something that could be matched by physical motion."
"As the lightning and the howl made contact, they threw off invisible sparks that deflected the rain around them, whirling together into a mess of magical energy that rapidly broke down.
It appeared to be a tie.
Though in terms of power Atram's lightning was certainly the stronger of the two, once the rain and wind washed away the ensuing cloud of dust, the phantasmal wolf Svin had become still stood defiant."
Again, insofar as the objects concerned occupy 4D spacetime, moving the object through time is moving it through space. So unless you're suggesting that the shot doesn't time travel, and is actually extremely slow (taking thousands of years to reach its modern target from ancient Venus), we know that it's spacially shifted; the only question is where it's spatiotemporally shifted to before traveling the rest of the distance naturally.Embracetophats said:do you see something being stated that she moves the shot through space?
did you also forget her regular usage of portals when she travels through space as well? those portals are not present during the shot and we see the shot travel, unimpeded