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I guess that might work, but that is only for her own subjective timeframes and not the actual time frame
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Ishtar NP speed revision
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Time travel and teleportation are literally in the realm of True Magic.
Why do you think Medea gets so much praise?
"While she is from the Age of Gods when True Magic was common, she is incompatible with the "Five True Magics of the Modern Era", and she would be unable to learn them.[11] She does display T¤ü╬┐¤ê╬▒ (Trofa) (þ®║ÚûôÞ╗óþº╗ÒâêÒâ¡ÒéñÒéó, Kükan Ten'iToroia?), a Spatial Transportatio spell that is an imitation of the True Magic governing teleportation much like the teleportation granted by Command Spells. She can use it while in her territory, but she also displays the ability to teleport throughout the rest of the town as she wishes."
And still you fail to present any statement saying Ishtar is using true magic.
You are comparing shifting a shot in time and space to Blue, which could even cause the faster speed heat of the universe if misused. You are comparing spatial relocation, which even Command Seals can achieve even if limited times, to Kaleidoscope which can make copies of stuff appear, transport things across timelines, achieve nigh infinite energy... You are making a horrible jump of comparison, Medea merely "imitates". What she achieves is still not nearly comparable.
And you still fail to present any statement of Ishtar using True Magic. There's no fixed point in the sky that her shot would appear in, there's no need to assume it couldn't be high enough that it'd have some travel time. Unless, of course, you wanna tell me it sent shockwaves from the void of space that were felt on Earth.
Why do you think Medea gets so much praise?
"While she is from the Age of Gods when True Magic was common, she is incompatible with the "Five True Magics of the Modern Era", and she would be unable to learn them.[11] She does display T¤ü╬┐¤ê╬▒ (Trofa) (þ®║ÚûôÞ╗óþº╗ÒâêÒâ¡ÒéñÒéó, Kükan Ten'iToroia?), a Spatial Transportatio spell that is an imitation of the True Magic governing teleportation much like the teleportation granted by Command Spells. She can use it while in her territory, but she also displays the ability to teleport throughout the rest of the town as she wishes."
And still you fail to present any statement saying Ishtar is using true magic.
You are comparing shifting a shot in time and space to Blue, which could even cause the faster speed heat of the universe if misused. You are comparing spatial relocation, which even Command Seals can achieve even if limited times, to Kaleidoscope which can make copies of stuff appear, transport things across timelines, achieve nigh infinite energy... You are making a horrible jump of comparison, Medea merely "imitates". What she achieves is still not nearly comparable.
And you still fail to present any statement of Ishtar using True Magic. There's no fixed point in the sky that her shot would appear in, there's no need to assume it couldn't be high enough that it'd have some travel time. Unless, of course, you wanna tell me it sent shockwaves from the void of space that were felt on Earth.
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What you're not mentioning is that the scene cuts away from Ishtar preparing to use her NP and glowing, and in that scene there are clouds behind her, such that one of two things is true:Embracetophats said:
additional info, but in the story, there is a good time gap between ishtar activating her NP and people even realising that it is coming and the shockwaves from its travel being felt. It is long enough for Gil to give a speech. Such a thing shouldnt be possible if the meteor didnt actually make the travel and just appeared there.
In fact, in Babylonia they were already in the age of gods so there would be no reason for Ishtar to use time travel there to access venus either
1) the glow represents Ishtar unleashing the attack, in which case, she fired it from a point within earth's atmosphere where clouds exist, meaning the shot is either not that fast or there's some kind of cinematic time at play
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2) the glow is her "charging up", in which case we never see her loose the arrow, which means we don't know precisely when it was loosed and can't assume it was traveling for the entire duration of Gilgamesh's speech.
I'm betting on 2, since it's the same visual effect as when Kingu charges his NP, followed by a different sound effect to signify his unleashing it, but neither one is helpful to your case.
Moreover, on what basis are you assuming that if the arrow is teleported into the sky it's teleported close enough that there'd be no time to detect its travel (especially given that its velocity is what you're trying to determine in the first place)?
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Mainly becuase of regular magecraft being able to generate lightning and lightspeed attacks via elemental replication quite easily nd servants can casually dodge those and so, ishtar and her NP would be comparable to those, but that would make it impossible to say that it travels slowly through the atmosphere
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@Lancelot
Yeah this shows that you are not well versed in the lingo used in the novels
"Using true magic" =/= "doing everything true magic can do".
Anything that even remotely touches on the aspects that a true magic controls is considered to be True Magic in its application. Rayshifting touches on the 2nd and thr third. The mooncell uses the third right and left willy nilly just to function as it does. Kojirou uses the 2nd, phantasmal species and elementals are walking examples of the 3rd, etc...
Why do you think Kiara's NP is stated to be the 3rd magic?
Any application of any ability that can only be achieved with a Magic is equivalent to using it. It just doesnt mean you can use all its possible applications like a Magician can.
And you are stubbornly hung up on this topic for some reason, even though it isnt he point of the discussion
Yeah this shows that you are not well versed in the lingo used in the novels
"Using true magic" =/= "doing everything true magic can do".
Anything that even remotely touches on the aspects that a true magic controls is considered to be True Magic in its application. Rayshifting touches on the 2nd and thr third. The mooncell uses the third right and left willy nilly just to function as it does. Kojirou uses the 2nd, phantasmal species and elementals are walking examples of the 3rd, etc...
Why do you think Kiara's NP is stated to be the 3rd magic?
Any application of any ability that can only be achieved with a Magic is equivalent to using it. It just doesnt mean you can use all its possible applications like a Magician can.
And you are stubbornly hung up on this topic for some reason, even though it isnt he point of the discussion
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Unless, of course, you wanna tell me it sent shockwaves from the void of space that were felt on Earth.
Just pointing out that Goku vs Beerus is a thing
Just pointing out that Goku vs Beerus is a thing
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A couple of points in response. First, that's only inconsistent with 1. It's not necessarily inconsistent with 2. For all we know, Romani isn't even reacting to the arrow's approach, but to the NP's activation (which he knows is aimed at the ziggurat's base). Second, Ishtar's NP has an AoE effect the size of a mountain range, which somewhat diminishes the importance of the arrow's speed. So unless you think that higher-level spells/sorceries/noble phantasms are always faster than lower level ones (which I'm pretty sure is empirically false, actually), I don't see how you can confidently scale it the way you seem to be trying to.Embracetophats said:
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No Embrace, I am simply trying to unravel the mess you are making.
You have still shown literally no proof, or statement, or similar, that what Ishtar is doing is true magic. When Kojirou does Second Magic, even though it is in a limited aspect, it is called True Magic. We get told what the phenomenom is called and then we are directly told it falls under the Second Magic. When Illya uses the Third Magic, we get told it is and we are also told it is incomplete and shitty compared to the actual thing. When we are told Servants are made through the Third Magic, we are once again told it is the 3rd Magic and that it is a shitty recreation that pales in comparison. When we are told Medea can teleport, it is called imitating. I feel you don't understand the difference. Type Moon was a Type capable of things beyond common sense, above normal Gods like Ishtar, and he had no freaking clue what Magic was or that it existed. Medea is not even using an aspect, she's using something that looks like it. And where oh where is it ever mentioned Kiara's NP is connected to the 3rd magic?
No, Lugh Beowulf is a natural case of the Third Magic, not every single Elemental and Phantasmal Beast. Because he's A and B, it doesn't mean every A is B as well. Unless you are trying to tell me Arcueid and all Ancestors aren't physical beings with physical bodies and have always been merely manifested souls and we never knew all along.
But it is the point, because it is the excuse you are using to justify saying Ishtar is doing that. If you have literally nothing to back up that she's using magic, don't bring it up. Hollow statements do not make good arguments.
Not to mention, if shockwaves can be felt but they still have enough time to talk, then Ishtar or the shot are already in the atmosphere and they already have time to talk. Even when she uses the thing, you literally see the clouds and no space. Your logic fails up and down.
You have still shown literally no proof, or statement, or similar, that what Ishtar is doing is true magic. When Kojirou does Second Magic, even though it is in a limited aspect, it is called True Magic. We get told what the phenomenom is called and then we are directly told it falls under the Second Magic. When Illya uses the Third Magic, we get told it is and we are also told it is incomplete and shitty compared to the actual thing. When we are told Servants are made through the Third Magic, we are once again told it is the 3rd Magic and that it is a shitty recreation that pales in comparison. When we are told Medea can teleport, it is called imitating. I feel you don't understand the difference. Type Moon was a Type capable of things beyond common sense, above normal Gods like Ishtar, and he had no freaking clue what Magic was or that it existed. Medea is not even using an aspect, she's using something that looks like it. And where oh where is it ever mentioned Kiara's NP is connected to the 3rd magic?
No, Lugh Beowulf is a natural case of the Third Magic, not every single Elemental and Phantasmal Beast. Because he's A and B, it doesn't mean every A is B as well. Unless you are trying to tell me Arcueid and all Ancestors aren't physical beings with physical bodies and have always been merely manifested souls and we never knew all along.
But it is the point, because it is the excuse you are using to justify saying Ishtar is doing that. If you have literally nothing to back up that she's using magic, don't bring it up. Hollow statements do not make good arguments.
Not to mention, if shockwaves can be felt but they still have enough time to talk, then Ishtar or the shot are already in the atmosphere and they already have time to talk. Even when she uses the thing, you literally see the clouds and no space. Your logic fails up and down.
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>No Empire, I am simply trying to unravel the mess you are making.
Embrace*
Nothing much to say on the actual topic though. I agree with Lance's and SS2V. All others mentions of abilities/techniques have always been emphasized on being a limited form/application of/something that is related to True Magic. Meanwhile, such thing hasn't been even hinted on when it came to Ishtar N
Also i'd also like to know where Kiara NP is stated to be the Third Magic
Embrace*
Nothing much to say on the actual topic though. I agree with Lance's and SS2V. All others mentions of abilities/techniques have always been emphasized on being a limited form/application of/something that is related to True Magic. Meanwhile, such thing hasn't been even hinted on when it came to Ishtar N
Also i'd also like to know where Kiara NP is stated to be the Third Magic
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That's better, thanks for providing the actual source.
But still really doesn't change anything. We are straight up told its a variant for Kiara, and still nothing for Ishtar.
But still really doesn't change anything. We are straight up told its a variant for Kiara, and still nothing for Ishtar.
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Heaven's Hole (ÒâÿÒâûÒâ│Òé║ÒâøÒâ╝Òâ½, Hebunzuhōru?) is the Noble Phantasm of Kiara Sessyoi when manifested as a Servant. As Beast III, it is referred to as Sukh─üvat─½ - Heaven's Hole (Òé╣Òé½Òâ╝Òâ┤ÒéíÒâåÒéúÒâ╝Òâ╗ÒâÿÒâûÒâ│Òé║ÒâøÒâ╝Òâ½, Suk─üvat─½ - Hebunzuhōru?), while as an Alter Ego, it is referred to as Amit─übha Amidala - Heaven's Hole: Pleasure Heaven - The Womb Realm Mandala (Õ┐½µÑ¢Õñ®Òâ╗ÞâÄÞöÁµø╝Þì╝þ¥àÒéóÒâƒÒâÇÒéóÒâƒÒâçÒâÑÒâ®Òâ╗ÒâÿÒâûÒâ│Òé║ÒâøÒâ╝Òâ½, Kairakuten - TaizōmandaraAmidaamidura - Hebunzuhōru?).Dysmity said:>No Empire, I am simply trying to unravel the mess you are making.
Embrace*
Nothing much to say on the actual topic though. I agree with Lance's and SS2V. All others mentions of abilities/techniques have always been emphasized on being a limited form/application of/something that is related to True Magic. Meanwhile, such thing hasn't been even hinted on when it came to Ishtar N
Also i'd also like to know where Kiara NP is stated to be the Third Magic
A subspecies of the magic referred to as the Third Magic. Although it draws in substances with a super gravity akin to that of a black hole, its true nature is considered to be a disposal hole.
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you people should stop trying to nitpick whether something is true magic or not because:
A- it is not the point of the discussion
B- we know what things fall either under a certain magic or what things are on the level of being considered true magic or close to it. there is no need for flat out statements for each individual character if a certain ability is already refferenced in another work as being on that level
Also, you have Archetype Earth using paralel world manipulation casually to bring alternate version of multiple characters to a single location at will, in a Melty Blood Back Alley Alliance manga
so, do you need to be told that her doing that is an application of the 2nd magic? no because you already know that from other works
A- it is not the point of the discussion
B- we know what things fall either under a certain magic or what things are on the level of being considered true magic or close to it. there is no need for flat out statements for each individual character if a certain ability is already refferenced in another work as being on that level
Also, you have Archetype Earth using paralel world manipulation casually to bring alternate version of multiple characters to a single location at will, in a Melty Blood Back Alley Alliance manga
so, do you need to be told that her doing that is an application of the 2nd magic? no because you already know that from other works
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ÔÇïÔÇïÔÇïÔÇïÔÇïÔÇï@Lancelot
"No Embrace, I am simply trying to unravel the mess you are making.
You have still shown literally no proof, or statement, or similar, that what Ishtar is doing is true magic."
""Magic" can be differentiated from "Magecraft" in that the consequences of its use are ostensibly "impossible" or "miraculous." The end output of a spell that creates fire is within dictates of the world because something as mundane as lighting a match can yield the same effect. Concepts like time manipulation, teleportation, spatial warping and quarantine, and the resurrection of the dead are miracles thought to be possible only through the application of Magic. The Denial of Nothingness, Operation of Parallel Worlds and Time Travel can all perform resurrections, but the resurrection of the dead through conventional methods is something that not even Magic has granted since the days of old."
"Ridiculous. You expect me to believe this is magic!"
Touko does not believe that localized individual time travel is the true nature of the Aozaki magic.
Aoko's transformation is still only a side effect of her magic.
She could not gauge if Aoko had arrived at the very depths of the nature of her magic, but she was certain it was not so simple a miracle.
Because the concept of time travel is already included in the second magic.
The revising of records, the rewriting of events falls under the operation of parallel worlds in other words.
For that to now be called the Fifth Magic made no sense. "
This is basic knowledge FYI
"No Embrace, I am simply trying to unravel the mess you are making.
You have still shown literally no proof, or statement, or similar, that what Ishtar is doing is true magic."
""Magic" can be differentiated from "Magecraft" in that the consequences of its use are ostensibly "impossible" or "miraculous." The end output of a spell that creates fire is within dictates of the world because something as mundane as lighting a match can yield the same effect. Concepts like time manipulation, teleportation, spatial warping and quarantine, and the resurrection of the dead are miracles thought to be possible only through the application of Magic. The Denial of Nothingness, Operation of Parallel Worlds and Time Travel can all perform resurrections, but the resurrection of the dead through conventional methods is something that not even Magic has granted since the days of old."
"Ridiculous. You expect me to believe this is magic!"
Touko does not believe that localized individual time travel is the true nature of the Aozaki magic.
Aoko's transformation is still only a side effect of her magic.
She could not gauge if Aoko had arrived at the very depths of the nature of her magic, but she was certain it was not so simple a miracle.
Because the concept of time travel is already included in the second magic.
The revising of records, the rewriting of events falls under the operation of parallel worlds in other words.
For that to now be called the Fifth Magic made no sense. "
This is basic knowledge FYI
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A- not possible because he says it after the vibrations start being felt
B- "unless you think that higher-level spells/sorceries/noble phantasms are always faster than lower level ones (which I'm pretty sure is empirically false, actually)"
depends on the magic, but the only difference between a one count spell and a lenghtier spell is the power and activation speed
"The meaning behind that string of Runes was most likely "creation." Which meant Touko Aozaki's skill in Runes was so great, she could use Rune magecraft to draw the Runes themselves.
Feeling his hair stand on end, Svin leapt backwards. Thanks to his Bestial Magecraft, he had more than enough speed to outpace even the activation of a Single Action spell."
"But even so, the sight of it sent a wave of fear through me.
The time it would take to swing my scythe was only a single breath. But even faster was the movement of Touko's magical energy.
The overwhelming speed of a Single Action spell wasn't something that could be matched by physical motion."
"As the lightning and the howl made contact, they threw off invisible sparks that deflected the rain around them, whirling together into a mess of magical energy that rapidly broke down.
It appeared to be a tie.
Though in terms of power Atram's lightning was certainly the stronger of the two, once the rain and wind washed away the ensuing cloud of dust, the phantasmal wolf Svin had become still stood defiant."
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@Lancelot
"No, Lugh Beowulf is a natural case of the Third Magic, not every single Elemental and Phantasmal Beast. Because he's A and B, it doesn't mean every A is B as well. Unless you are trying to tell me Arcueid and all Ancestors aren't physical beings with physical bodies and have always been merely manifested souls and we never knew all along. "
"Beowulf is actually not a werewolf at all, but an Elemental. Because his current form is that of a golden werewolf, he is also classified as a Phantasmal Beast. He was not born in a normal sense, but was naturally produced by the World in a similar fashion as True Ancestors. As a creature that is sort of like a relative to Arcueid Brunestud, he is close to her in atmosphere."
" A living, pure phantasm creature. His origin itself was long ago, and he fell as a droplet on the werewolf village in the 18th century. A three thousand year class vintage monster.
Natural enemy to magi of the AD calendar; if it's a pure magic power battle, attacks will still work, but when it's magecraft, it'll be completely negated. He's a creature that's sort of like a relative to Arcueid, so he's close to Arc in atmosphere."
"He doesn't age like regular werewolves and shares none of their normal desires. He has an astral body and materialized soul that doesn't require a body to remain stabilized, so he can change his shape to that of any creature on Earth. He doesn't have a specific gender, so in the unlikely event that he finds a mate, he can adjust his sex according to his partner. He displays several different wolf forms, the ability to absorb a fifty-ton impact by turning into a giant monkey, the ability to "blow up","
reminder that Yu can also "blow up" and reform at will.
"It's very hard to face humans simply with Marble Phantasm. Maybe other creatures, but not humans. Honestly, though, Arc is like a God. A spirit in flesh."
"Spirits (Ú£è, Rei?) are spiritual bodies used by Gaia as a sense of touch, and anything that interferes with them is considered a contradiction. There are several types of spirits and despite the fact that they can be found everywhere only those humans who possess a spiritual affinity can perceive them. Spirits are generally harmless to people, but those of the elemental class are of such a dimension that they can interact with people by taking a physical form. Presently, science cannot interfere with spiritual bodies and modern Magecraft cannot reproduce mysteries of such scale."
"Her skills as a servant are Presence Concealment (B), Incarnated Spirit (A), Heaven's Feathered Woman (A), and Blood-Sucking (C).
Her noble phantasm is Eternal Lament, a desperation move that would typically be called a suicide. However, due to her nature Yu can overload her current body with energy, turning it into a makeshift bomb, detonate and then reconstruct a new body for herself as long as she has enough energy. With enough energy, she can continue to repeat this process for as long as she desires without any reprecussions on herself. "
INCARNATE SPIRIT dude! what do you think that meant?!
"No, Lugh Beowulf is a natural case of the Third Magic, not every single Elemental and Phantasmal Beast. Because he's A and B, it doesn't mean every A is B as well. Unless you are trying to tell me Arcueid and all Ancestors aren't physical beings with physical bodies and have always been merely manifested souls and we never knew all along. "
"Beowulf is actually not a werewolf at all, but an Elemental. Because his current form is that of a golden werewolf, he is also classified as a Phantasmal Beast. He was not born in a normal sense, but was naturally produced by the World in a similar fashion as True Ancestors. As a creature that is sort of like a relative to Arcueid Brunestud, he is close to her in atmosphere."
" A living, pure phantasm creature. His origin itself was long ago, and he fell as a droplet on the werewolf village in the 18th century. A three thousand year class vintage monster.
Natural enemy to magi of the AD calendar; if it's a pure magic power battle, attacks will still work, but when it's magecraft, it'll be completely negated. He's a creature that's sort of like a relative to Arcueid, so he's close to Arc in atmosphere."
"He doesn't age like regular werewolves and shares none of their normal desires. He has an astral body and materialized soul that doesn't require a body to remain stabilized, so he can change his shape to that of any creature on Earth. He doesn't have a specific gender, so in the unlikely event that he finds a mate, he can adjust his sex according to his partner. He displays several different wolf forms, the ability to absorb a fifty-ton impact by turning into a giant monkey, the ability to "blow up","
reminder that Yu can also "blow up" and reform at will.
"It's very hard to face humans simply with Marble Phantasm. Maybe other creatures, but not humans. Honestly, though, Arc is like a God. A spirit in flesh."
"Spirits (Ú£è, Rei?) are spiritual bodies used by Gaia as a sense of touch, and anything that interferes with them is considered a contradiction. There are several types of spirits and despite the fact that they can be found everywhere only those humans who possess a spiritual affinity can perceive them. Spirits are generally harmless to people, but those of the elemental class are of such a dimension that they can interact with people by taking a physical form. Presently, science cannot interfere with spiritual bodies and modern Magecraft cannot reproduce mysteries of such scale."
"Her skills as a servant are Presence Concealment (B), Incarnated Spirit (A), Heaven's Feathered Woman (A), and Blood-Sucking (C).
Her noble phantasm is Eternal Lament, a desperation move that would typically be called a suicide. However, due to her nature Yu can overload her current body with energy, turning it into a makeshift bomb, detonate and then reconstruct a new body for herself as long as she has enough energy. With enough energy, she can continue to repeat this process for as long as she desires without any reprecussions on herself. "
INCARNATE SPIRIT dude! what do you think that meant?!
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"Similarly to how magi gain power through the accumulation of knowledge, those of the Phantasmal Species become stronger through the accumulation of time. Modern Magecraft is the sum of five hundred years of study, whereas the Phantasmal Species date back to the Age of Gods. Magi that only have a mystical lineage that spans five hundred years cannot hope to match or reproduce mysteries that have accumulated thousands of years and have an existence that is on par with the five modern Magics. They embody mysteries simply by existing and it is said to be a miracle if one is simply observed."
"Phantasmal Beasts of the Millennium-Rank (ÕìâÕ╣┤Òé»Òâ®Òé╣Òü«Õ╣╗þìúÒâ╗Þüûþìú, Chitose Kurasu no Genjü Seijü?) and Divine Beasts are equal to Magic, making them unable to even be harmed by mysteries on the level of magecraft"
now can you stop nitpicking shit and not derail the thread since you needed me to tell you basic knowledge?
"Phantasmal Beasts of the Millennium-Rank (ÕìâÕ╣┤Òé»Òâ®Òé╣Òü«Õ╣╗þìúÒâ╗Þüûþìú, Chitose Kurasu no Genjü Seijü?) and Divine Beasts are equal to Magic, making them unable to even be harmed by mysteries on the level of magecraft"
now can you stop nitpicking shit and not derail the thread since you needed me to tell you basic knowledge?
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Have you done this? You can also use the Knowledgeable Members List.Antvasima said:
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and Lance also claimed he was knowledgeable enough to give a verdict but I keep having to explain basic stuff for some reason
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The problem with this upgrade is that there is absolutely no reason that Ishtar would decide to warp the shot forward in time but not closer to her opponent especially considering at the very start of the np Ishtar warps through time and space in one movement.
This upgrade is basically saying that Ishtar warped back in time and to Venus in one movement. Shot her np from Venus in the past and sent it to the future but then decided to let it fly from Venus to Earth rather than move it through space as well even though the previous time she time traveled, she moved through space.
This upgrade is basically saying that Ishtar warped back in time and to Venus in one movement. Shot her np from Venus in the past and sent it to the future but then decided to let it fly from Venus to Earth rather than move it through space as well even though the previous time she time traveled, she moved through space.
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Paul Frank said:
do you see something being stated that she moves the shot through space?
did you also forget her regular usage of portals when she travels through space as well? those portals are not present during the shot and we see the shot travel, unimpeded
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I agree with this.Iapitus The Impaler said:
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How about you actually answer stuff you are asked about? Your inability to explain stuff until way later when asked has nothing to do with me being a knowledgeable member. You claimed she used magic, just bring up that quote and be done with it, is that so complex?
You even have the gal to say erroneous conclusions and tell me you have to explain to me stuff. A soul affected by Third Magic doesn't incarnate, it is literally a bodyless soul that can still interact with matter and you are literally told this. You try to use spirits as proof, and the very description tells you you are completely wrong because they need to MAKE A PHYSICAL VESSEL to interact with the physical world. Yu is an INCARNATED SPIRIT, which sounds exactly like she has an actually physical vessel. You didn't even read the damn skill, which tells you her rate of magic energy absorption is fixed because she has a fixed humanoid form, unlike Light Beowulf, an actually manifested soul that has no fixed shape because he's only a soul with no physical vessel, which is said on the very same game you quoted..
But just leaving it as unknown seems like the best option.
You even have the gal to say erroneous conclusions and tell me you have to explain to me stuff. A soul affected by Third Magic doesn't incarnate, it is literally a bodyless soul that can still interact with matter and you are literally told this. You try to use spirits as proof, and the very description tells you you are completely wrong because they need to MAKE A PHYSICAL VESSEL to interact with the physical world. Yu is an INCARNATED SPIRIT, which sounds exactly like she has an actually physical vessel. You didn't even read the damn skill, which tells you her rate of magic energy absorption is fixed because she has a fixed humanoid form, unlike Light Beowulf, an actually manifested soul that has no fixed shape because he's only a soul with no physical vessel, which is said on the very same game you quoted..
But just leaving it as unknown seems like the best option.
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Its not listed in her profile, so for all means and purposes pretty much unknown.
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It can be added but I don't think it is a big deal.
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Embracetophats said:
With respect to A:
What vibrations? The cutscene you referenced neither mentions nor depicts any such thing.
With respect to B:
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Exhibit E ("As she said that, Archer of Red repeatedly shot a strafing of arrows. Her arrows, fired at the same speed as a machine gun, all hit their target.")
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Seems fairly unreliable as a basis for speed scaling specific NPs to me. At the very least, it demonstrably cannot be treated as a hard and fast rule.
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Again, insofar as the objects concerned occupy 4D spacetime, moving the object through time is moving it through space. So unless you're suggesting that the shot doesn't time travel, and is actually extremely slow (taking thousands of years to reach its modern target from ancient Venus), we know that it's spacially shifted; the only question is where it's spatiotemporally shifted to before traveling the rest of the distance naturally.Embracetophats said:
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It doesn't. Sorry I forgot to reply, but this can be closed. Had a really bad virus hit me last week and forgot about this.
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