Isekai at Peace Discussion Thread

[Noneless21]

nah that is a big stretch, at best tier 8 if she can do huge dust cloud

 

[BoastJr]

I guess the only counter argument would be Korne making the barrier smaller since I am assuming she made it (There was no one else there)

I mean.. we do have statements of Maids splitting the earth and the sea but like...

I guess the enviromental destruction wouldn't align with the assumption of the barrier being planet size ?

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Wth why is this guy in IAP

 

[Noneless21]

Wth why is this guy in IAP

wat

 

[BoastJr]

wat

Korne has an Axe that can nullify powers and that axe is likely from Shiro San who was probably mesing around and making random weapons or equipments and tossing it into trinia for god knows what reason

So it parallels Kharne the betrayer and korne his patron god

 

[Noneless21]

Korne has an Axe that can nullify powers and that axe is likely from Shiro San who was probably mesing around and making random weapons or equipments and tossing it into trinia for god knows what reason

So it parallels Kharne the betrayer and korne his patron god

I legitimately thought the profile Bluey attached somehow got Isekai at Peace category added to their profile

 

[BoastJr]

New Gaiden Chapter has a Fight Scene

Strap in boys... I'll wait for translations but this confirms who made the axe..

On a weird note... can we upscale Alice's Dagger from Makina ? If it can be do anything alice imagines then it should just get almost every Hax ability below World Creator level or just upscale from whatever shiro cooks

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

So, Rigel's laser attacks are legit lightspeed, and can even surpass that, not a surprise at this point since they are upper Count Rank, the most interesting thing from chapter 32 is that Rigel and Korne restrain themselves to not destroy the spatial barrier that Isis subordinates train in, and still they partially destroyed it. We know this barrier is infinitely big, so this legit proves High 3-A Upper Counts, but instead of downscaling from being a billion to a trillion times weaker than the 6 Kings, they now have their own feat, so we can upscale the 6 Kings to a billion to a trillion times above High 3-A.

 

[BoastJr]

So we write off Arsha shaking the ground within the spatial barrier as a Outlier ?

I guess we could say she didn't shake the entire ground within it but idk

Also the Korne and Rigel feat was casual and a result of miscalculation so they are way stronger too

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Why would we take shaking the ground to mean anything other than affecting the surrounding area?

Korne and Rigel however explicitly hold back to not destroy the entire barrier, which has an endless/infinite space within it, these feats aren't comparable at all.

Not to mention the ludicrous jump in tiers this would result in which isnt backed by anything, at least with Upper Counts we already knew they are quantifiably comparable to people with infinite power.

 

[Noneless21]

honestly, I didnt see any statement that the space isolation barrier they're in has infinite space

 

[BoastJr]

Thankyou noneless

Btw It may be a chapters until we get another intermission

Korne and Arsha's dynamic seems like is gonna get wrapped up next chappie so maybe we can get a chapter where they talk about something else in Gaiden

Forgot to mention but this is kinda a nothingburger statement but Beowulf can cut Materials made of orialcon which is the same material Amel's spear is made of in chapter 1192

Also iirc Kaito's mansion is made out of strange material that only Kuro can damage because it was made by shiro herself..

 

[Noneless21]

it's basically nullification than piercing defense that Six Kings level people can do so it's a bit special

maybe Shiro made them because she was bored

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

honestly, I didnt see any statement that the space isolation barrier they're in has infinite space

-Chapter 14

 

[Noneless21]

-Chapter 14

ah

well considering this is Isekai at Peace, it might really be endless/infinite and not hyperbole

honestly this is crazy, high 3-A Count rank lmao

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

It also helps that it was created by Cannalis

-Chapter 6

As we all know, World Creators constantly create stuff infinite in size, I mean even Alice who is bad at creation created a temporary space, infinite in size.

 

[Noneless21]

I'm slowly becoming like Lilia, like how far does Toudai-sensei gonna go for Isekai at Peace...

 

[BoastJr]

Its funny how the Six Kings were only island level in 2021 (Alice vs Eden)

The upscale stuff from Iris vs Isis lead to moon/small planet level six kings..

Then.. after scrutinising alot of evidence we finally got solar system level Six Kings...

Then high universal Six Kings via Alice battling Eden san (which downscales Dukes / Upper Count Ranks via the Iris / Isis fight but they are also in the same
Ball park)

And now the same statement is useable to upscale Six Kings to High Universal (1 billion / trillion times baseline)..

That one statement is literally feeding families for generations to come because holy shit we keep upscaling via that

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

The rankings are being expanded on which is good, previously we just had some statements about High/Upper Count Ranks, but besides Iris, no one else was on that level, now we have several of Isis subordinates on that level and fighting so we can see the tiering clearly.

Also if it wasn't obvious Musica was stated to be a long rage fighter who uses unusual abilities such as causality manipulation, ie spawning attacks on people. The fact this is achieved below Duke Ranks, means it won't work on them too, which explains why we haven't seen this ability before.

It would be nice if we had some more feats to upscale generic Counts, but currently the gap there is crazy, starting at 7-B, then 5-A at mid rank, then literally High 3-A at the high rank. They weren't kidding when it was stated count rankings have a massive difference.

Now we just need some explanations on the exact dimension level the World Creators scale to.

 

[BoastJr]

Imagine if World Creators end up being Countless Dimensions because of Polar Star God.. with Makina having infinite RE

And there is still Tiana's world which we haven't visited yet..

And who knows... maybe toudai will introduce another hierarchy of Gods if Isekai at Peace continues for another 5 years.

In 2021.. we only had a simpler hierarchy which was

Epilogue > Makina > Shiro / Kuro / Eden / Alice > Fate

But now.. its like..

Epilogue > Nebula > Full Potential Alice / Full Potential Makina > Tiana > Normal Makina >= Electrone / Canalis > Abyss Tartarus > Fate / Eden (Quasi Omnipotent) > Fate (War Saga) > 1 Honorary World Creator

There was a massive hierarchy expansion so who know what toudai will suddenly drop one day

 

[Mr._East_Statement]

The rankings are being expanded on which is good, previously we just had some statements about High/Upper Count Ranks, but besides Iris, no one else was on that level, now we have several of Isis subordinates on that level and fighting so we can see the tiering clearly.

Also if it wasn't obvious Musica was stated to be a long rage fighter who uses unusual abilities such as causality manipulation, ie spawning attacks on people. The fact this is achieved below Duke Ranks, means it won't work on them too, which explains why we haven't seen this ability before.

It would be nice if we had some more feats to upscale generic Counts, but currently the gap there is crazy, starting at 7-B, then 5-A at mid rank, then literally High 3-A at the high rank. They weren't kidding when it was stated count rankings have a massive difference.

Now we just need some explanations on the exact dimension level the World Creators scale to.

Eh, at this point, I gonna ask did you tried KE wank yet, Mr Author Pegasus?

Wasn't there a catgirl character who normally moves below SoL (Speed of Light), but got to SoL when she became count rank? I don't really follow the verse beyond the arguments that revolves 1-A and above (I am all there for the metaphysics normally), but a few comments in this thread mentioned this afaik.

 

[Noneless21]

if you mean Caraway, then yeah, though I dont know if she did reach light speed before or after becoming Count rank

honestly, I would like more confirmation of future lovers...

 

[BoastJr]

Snip

I think she was stated to be Viscount rank with capabilities that only rivaled Count rank characters

She did get faster and faster during her fight with Hunting God until she reached Count Rank who are given SoL statements

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Forgot the exact numbers but Viscounts are Relativistic with Relativistic+ reactions, Caraway got faster and faster in the Final Arc until she reached Count Rank, which is light speed.

 

[Hjdjdhf]

-Chapter 14

死の大地にある死王アイシスの居城……より少し離れた場所にある空間隔離型結界の中では、時空間魔法によって拡張された広大な空間が広がっており、現在そこに死王配下のほぼ全員が集まっていた。
そしてその空間の一角には実況席のような場所があり、拡声魔法具を持ったウルペクラの姿があった。
『あ～テスト、テスト……はい。それじゃあ、希望者は全員集まったようなので今回の趣旨を説明するっす。まぁ、皆分かって集まってるとは思うっすけど確認みたいなもんすね。近く開催される晶花宴……今回の貴賓は、カイト様、リリウッド様、クロムエイナ様っす。そして、アイシス様のテーブルは五人分の席があるわけで一席余るわけっす。そして、アイシス様はここに死王配下の誰かに座って欲しいと仰られました！』

When I look at the original Japanese text, it seems there's no meaning of 'endless'.

 

[BoastJr]

When I look at the original Japanese text, it seems there's no meaning of 'endless'.

Btw does the original japanese text for Chaos Messiah and Evolkaiser mention any world destruction feats ?

 

[Hjdjdhf]

Btw does the original japanese text for Chaos Messiah and Evolkaiser mention any world destruction feats ?

彼方、外宇宙より来る破滅の混沌……星々を滅ぼし、世界を終焉に導く存在である混沌機カオスメサイア、その驚異的な情報がメッセージに記されていた。

I don't know if this counts.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

When I look at the original Japanese text, it seems there's no meaning of 'endless'.

Hmm, foxaholic taking liberties I guess, though we should get a second look at this.

This being a space created by Cannalis, you can assume it is indeed infinite since there are several instances of that from World Creators, but that requirements more assumptions really, worlds are most definitely infinite, this space hasn't been called one, then again worlds are bigger than universes, so Upper Counts being able to destroy one would seem like an outlier anyway.

 

[Legacy30]

You can use the same thing with Alice creating an infinite subspace from chapter 1611 using space-time magic and not world creation. The space isolation barrier Canalis created also uses the same magic.

There is also evidence pointing to infinite size Human Realm. Lilia's world gifted by Eden is infinite in size, and it is a small world by Eden's standard, comparable to the Human Realm. Taking into the fact that it is separated by time, it would lead to Human Realm being its own space-time with the various statements, leading to low 2-C.

1609

1788

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Eh, hyperbole maybe? Grass on a plain which stretches as far as the eye can see, can seem endless, but it's not actually, there is just a lot.

Personally don't buy this statement, because the Human Realm has define size in kilometers, unless you want to say something about it not being the landmass itself which is infinite, but the skies/cosmos, which would still be weird, since technically all realms share the same sky, as the sky is a law, so making a distinction between the realms wouldn't make sense here, also there would be no Low 2-C for each realm, just Low 2-C in total.

 

[Legacy30]

The realms don't share the same sky, I don't believe that statement exists. It's just a law in place where every realm experiences morning and night at the same time regardless if they are separated by a dimensional wall separating time and space.

It's like a hax to force three different space-times to move at the same rate of time. I know of a similar thing from hyperdimension neptunia where they force one dimension's higher rate of time to match the rate of another dimension.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Think the time of the realms being synced is where people would argue that while the realms are separate they are still part of a single timeline.

Though thinking about it, this could be argument for a hypertimeline, if each realm is spatially and temporally separate, with each being infinite in size, but yet still sharing a wider timeline, which we have seen Shiro for example stopping the Sun, basically stopping time itself, and also being able to reverse time for the entire world, meaning all realms, it's not that far fetched, we already know Trinia has higher spatial realms already.

 

[Hjdjdhf]

There is also evidence pointing to infinite size Human Realm. Lilia's world gifted by Eden is infinite in size, and it is a small world by Eden's standard, comparable to the Human Realm. Taking into the fact that it is separated by time, it would lead to Human Realm being its own space-time with the various statements, leading to low 2-C.

エデンからお礼として世界をひとつ用意したと話を受け、リリアは死んだ魚のような目をしながらエデンよりその次元の狭間に作った世界の案内を受けていた。
その世界に辿り着いて最初にリリアの目に映ったのは一面の大草原だった。
「ここです。まぁ、世界を創ったと言ってもサイズは小さめです。精々人界と同サイズ程度です」

There is no mention of infinity in the original Japanese here.

 

[Legacy30]

There is no mention of infinity in the original Japanese here.

That’s the wrong chapter however. The infinite quote is from chapter 1788.

少し前までは果てない草原が広がっていたこの世界だが、ごく最近大きな山がひとつ追加された。異世界において富士山と呼ばれる雄大な山と、それがよく見える場所に位置する温泉旅館。

I quoted 1609 to make a point that it was the same size as the human realm.

 

[Noneless21]

the encyclopedia of Yuushou strikes again

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

New Gaiden chapter confirms that the gap between viscount and count is bigger than the gap between peerage holder and ordinary demon, in fact Korne took 700 years to reach viscount, but another 1600 years to reach count.

So yea, 10-B (ordinary demon) to 7-B (baron) is a smaller gap than at least 7-B (viscount) to count.

 

[Legacy30]

There’s also stamina and regen feat for counts thanks to Korne. Got skewered by spikes all over her body, still kept moving and healed it instantly.

 

[BoastJr]

This chapter also further solidifies H7A / 6C Counts because the Gap between them and Barons would be astronomical..

KE Calcs should be easy I guess

Also this also kind of aligns with how Barons can be up to Mach 24 (or higher) compared to Normal Humans (5 - 7 m/s) yet the Gap between Counts (SoL) and Viscounts is far higher

Kind of checks out neatly

 

[BoastJr]

There’s also stamina and regen feat for counts thanks to Korne. Got skewered by spikes all over her body, still kept moving and healed it instantly.

Skewered by spikes is weird because it seems to leave large injuries that seem fatal and all

Regen could be Mid - Low, High - Low or Low - Mid at best

Think we could push it to High - Low Regen because it seems to do more then leave large scar or deep wounds

 

[BoastJr]

Korne being covered from Head to Toe in spikes that pierce her body and draws significant blood from her seems higher on the regen scale now that I think of it

Wouldn't it be a fatal wound which Low Mid covers ?

Edit 1 : After talking to some people, it should be Mid Regen to higher because her whole body is skewered and damaged (including her brain)