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Isekai at Peace Discussion Thread

By the way, although it is a hypothesis, for anyone other than Kuro and Alice—since Isis's death magic is a power that corresponds to a God's authority—if she had been able to control it perfectly, she could have even fought Fate.

However, if Isis, who has a special efficacy (specialized advantage) against life, does not deal with Life, she will be crushed by an infinite volume (無限の物量 = sheer numbers/literally infinite mass), so that combination is a highly likely defeat.

Ein, who possesses the authority of time, does not hold back Chronois
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Unable to counter Chronois's authority of time, resulting in defeat

Isis, who can completely eradicate infinite military forces with her death magic, does not hold back Life
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Crushed by infinite volume (sheer numbers), resulting in defeat

Since the other two besides Fate also have to match up against opponents they have a special advantage against, the Supreme Gods are strong.

Life's authority of life is a power on the side of the "rules," which is a higher order than magic, so the creation of life—including trees—is invalidated in front of Life.

During the Battle of the God Realm, the reason Lillywood did not create trees except for sealing purposes, and instead focused her maneuvers around supporting Isis, was also because it would have been invalidated.
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Another version of it. Pretty much confirming my thoughts that Life is straightforwardly High 3-A, but not like it was needed since we were told she could create an infinite amount of soldiers during the final arc.
 
Legacy30 said:
Another version of it. Pretty much confirming my thoughts that Life is straightforwardly High 3-A, but not like it was needed since we were told she could create an infinite amount of soldiers during the final arc.
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Btw we are told that Isis after mastering her authority can deal with Fate

Although not sure if toudai is referring to Past Fate from the Old God War or the Present Day Fate who is Quasi Omnipotent

Since toudai is also talking abou the God War along with the supposed counters to the Gods
 
I believe it's talking about the old god war since it mentions Kuro's plans to invade it. There's some other neat details like Life negating powers related to her authority. I think all the other authorities could do the same thing. Also, Isis with perfect control over her authority we had a peek of it like how she could kill the activation of Life's authority. Maybe she could do other things. If against Fate, she could kill fate or the like.
 
That would be broken xD but thats the only explainable way for Isis to 1 v 1 Fate...

Like I really don't like the "Resists Fate Manip" explanation as Fate seems to just effect anything in Trinia...

By Occams Razor... she has to match Fate's Authority in some way so this would unironically make more sense
 
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Legacy is probably right. She can deactivate/kill authority activation (this should be powernull added to her page tbh)
 
She already has powernullifcation from disolving Magic Spells into Harmless Mana

Wouldn't this be Enhanced Powernullification ?
 
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Umu... I thought of something...

If this is referring to their Past Selves then its referring to the Weaker Authorities they held at the time which composites many different conceptual abilities or has tie-ins to them

We do know that Ultimate Authorities are even stronger and allow more freedom with overwriting the laws / reasons / information / concept of the world so it does sort of imply they can obviously do more with their Ultimate Authority but to a much higher degree

If it does seem to composite various abilities seeing as how Life can regenerate, view through living creatures and nullify plant and trees then wouldn't it be closer to platonic - ish ? Now I don't think it actually qualifies as it seems like a reach but it kind of leans into that territory ? Maybe not... Maybe I am wanking lol

The main reason I am bringing this up rn is because most verses may likely lose their Type 1 Concept Manipulation if another staff thread passes. It would lead to a series of overall downgrades so gonna bring it up first here.
 
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This thread in particular incase it passes

I think maybe worthwhile to discuss the properties behind our verse's concept manipulation incase as it has a solid chance of effecting our verse as well.

I don't think CM Type 1 will be accepted as granting 1-A or be exclusive to 1-As but it can allow more leeway that way ?

Dunno to be honest but gonna say a few arguments might not hurt but better to wait for the conclusion of it
 
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Probably would have to show that authorities are more akin to imitations of WC power, and ofc said power still exists independently of them. I mean, iirc authorities are reproductions of a WC power and thus hold similar authoritative effect. However u wanna take that
 
In a sense, isn't it true that Shallow Vernal is responsible for all the Laws, Concepts and Logic of her world seeing as how she is the "Rules" itself

Everything derives from Shallow Vernal but those things cannot really challenge a World Creator like her so there is a sort of difference in existential quality

The components she governs makes up lesser components of reality and so on (Like Chronois governing space and time -> God of Sky + God of Day Sky + God of Night Sky)

So it kind of leans into the Idea is what I am getting at..

You also cannot really challenge shallow vernal head on like that with only quantitative stuff with the exception of Fate being somewhat of a more special case I believe

Thats about all I can say but well...

Keep on Dreaming Fellow Wankers

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BoastJr said:
In a sense, isn't it true that Shallow Vernal is responsible for all the Laws, Concepts and Logic of her world seeing as how she is the "Rules" itself

Everything derives from Shallow Vernal but those things cannot really challenge a World Creator like her so there is a sort of difference in existential quality

The components she governs makes up lesser components of reality and so on (Like Chronois governing space and time -> God of Sky + God of Day Sky + God of Night Sky)

So it kind of leans into the Idea is what I am getting at..

You also cannot really challenge shallow vernal head on like that with only quantitative stuff with the exception of Fate being somewhat of a more special case I believe

Thats about all I can say but well...

Keep on Dreaming Fellow Wankers

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I get what you're talking about. I used to think like that too... Then I just stopped thinking about scaling...
 
Hmm, so.a Gods authority makes it so anything which falls under that authority can't be used on them, at least in the sense that they would just take control of it imo.

Life's authority as we know doesn't just include living things alone, but literally the cosmos, funny to think about Gurren Lagaan for example tossing a galaxy at Life and she just sends it right back.

Fate's authority just applies to literally everything lol.

Speaking of that, we may need to upgrade Life's lifting strength at some point.
 
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No, this is from author q&a's, posted in the thread.

Nothing too crazy has happened in the afterstory or side story recently, though the author said the side story he is doing whatever as they aren't as restricted as in the afterstories, so there is where we will get interesting stuff, besides when we eventually go to Tiana's world in the afterstories maybe.
 
I see, but okey damn, Toudai getting freedom might actually get crazy(he might just show something from Q&As there too).

I don't need anything crazy to wank tho so...
 
Imagine author does some crazy thing like "death can't affect Isis" so she gets dumb regen like life somehow.

Hmm but yeah...Fate would kind of be untouchable? Unless it's just "specific abilities that control fate". But fate even inseries is already kinda unfightable bc of this (unless it's another authority ig. Still wild how Isis CAN tight it)
 
It would be very funny if the Author introduced a Reader Hierarchy of sorts where there is a gradual escalation of Readers viewing the Totality of Everything as Fiction and another Reader views their totality of existence as Fiction... And this repeats infinitely until its reveals that the Epilogue stands at the End...

And beyond that is the True Epilogue... that holds all stories inside of it in a blank canvas and is more indescribable then it
 
BoastJr said:
It would be very funny if the Author introduced a Reader Hierarchy of sorts where there is a gradual escalation of Readers viewing the Totality of Everything as Fiction and another Reader views their totality of existence as Fiction... And this repeata infinitely until its reveals that the Epilogue stands at the End...

And beyond that is the True Epilogue... that holds all stories inside of it in a blank canvas and is more indescribable then it
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So… pseudo-SCP with Isekai flavor?
 
Sounds generic
BoastJr said:
It would be very funny if the Author introduced a Reader Hierarchy of sorts where there is a gradual escalation of Readers viewing the Totality of Everything as Fiction and another Reader views their totality of existence as Fiction... And this repeats infinitely until its reveals that the Epilogue stands at the End...

And beyond that is the True Epilogue... that holds all stories inside of it in a blank canvas and is more indescribable then it
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Sounds like a generic Xianxia..

The funny thing would be if we got it through Serious Senpai logic lmao.
 
BoastJr said:
It would be very funny if the Author introduced a Reader Hierarchy of sorts where there is a gradual escalation of Readers viewing the Totality of Everything as Fiction and another Reader views their totality of existence as Fiction... And this repeats infinitely until its reveals that the Epilogue stands at the End...

And beyond that is the True Epilogue... that holds all stories inside of it in a blank canvas and is more indescribable then it
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Should be beyond definition and Pure Act like as well
 
BoastJr said:
Yeah ! Kinda...

If the author does something crazy like

True Epilogue >>> Beyond the Epilogue >>> Epilogue Series (Endless Hierarchy of Epilogue) >>> Epilogue >>> Little Epilogue
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Little Epilogue >>>> whatever tf this is, by the sheer fact that it's Shiro and Kaito's love child.
 
Fantric said:
Little Epilogue >>>> whatever tf this is, by the sheer fact that it's Shiro and Kaito's love child.
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Btw given this thread standard on false R > F

We could try to use Sirius Senpai viewing the Entire IaP manga as fiction for whatever purpose. Its just gonna be like +1D but I don't think it scales to anyone and even then not sure if it would work
 
The real main heroine

Joke aside, isn't it interesting how Isis has a whole side story about her and the members of her camp, of course that's because she was the only 6 Kings that didn't before, and we have seen a lot from the others, but Isis still is getting development, growing as a person into the afterstories, meanwhile the main heroine is just played for jokes.
 
Kuro's story arc was good but I guess Toudai didn't know where where to go from there. I love the conclusion to it and who knows... we can always get something more if Toudai randomly decides on it.

Isis remnant has all sorts of members and I do like how toudai is slowly building their internal relationships and trying some dynamics here and there.

Its also a good chance to introduce different characters and build up on them so I do see Gaiden having promises since it does feel like oldschool Yuusha Shoukan.

I do want to see if other world creators or newer worlds are explored like how Chaos Messiah and Evolkaiser kind of brought the greater multiverse lore back briefly for a while but I guess its still in the backgrounds while toudai does more "Down to Earth" stuff with the pleides like the Golf event which was dorky in a good way
 
New Gaiden Chapter 30 gives us some info on how Polaris is physically weaker then Epsilon, Agni, Ozma, Freaball, Pandora and Kong (?)

Its been a 100 Years but kinda surprising how Kong of all people is stronger... was that always the case ?

No one from Lillywood's faction or Kuro's faction was mentioned which is kinda odd but I guess Polaris is stronger than them physically
 
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probably because they're strong defensively, but then again Camillia isn't named dropped, probably because she isnt muscle headed enough

also, Kuro technically has her own story complete, which is why she falls flat because the moment she become Kaito's lover, she reached the conclusion of her own conflict. Isis, meanwhile, had her story completely frozen until she met with Kaito, which is why her progression felt even more satisfying

It's the side effect of being Kaito's first lover while also being very much complete as a character herself so it cant be help

Hell Lilia and Sieg also had their character growth complete since the conflict was settled so they're practically on the same level as Kuro honestly
 
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probably because they're strong defensively, but then again Camillia isn't named dropped, probably because she isnt muscle headed enough
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I guess the bit about Ozma, Epsilon and Pandora being technical fighters instead of muscleheaded gives the idea that Polaris was including battle styles and impressions as well (more like a catch all statement) ?

But yeah lillywood camp has alot of Dukes with Stone Wall characteristics while Kuro's camp is probably more all rounded and has that "Family impression" so it maybe excluded because of that
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also, Kuro technically has her own story complete, which is why she falls flat because the moment she become Kaito's lover, she reached the conclusion of her own conflict. Isis, meanwhile, had her story completely frozen until she met with Kaito, which is why her progression felt even more satisfying

It's the side effect of being Kaito's first lover while also being very much complete as a character herself so it cant be help
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Yeah thats fair. Kuro is a completed character at the end of the War Arc and the afterstory is more to flesh out and experiment with characters we didn't get to see or to explore more of the Lore of Trinia. Kuro's story doesn't have to end at the mainstory but we are given a good conclusion to it.

Agree on Isis there
 
Gaiden chapter 31 was Great (Yuri Route..)

So we are introduced to a New Character named Korne who uses a Battle Axe that can ignore all manner of Trinian magic defense !

Also Arshaa is very skilled for a Baron rank... she ran through a rain of magic bullets and avoided every hit while rushing forward towards Korne. The Raws mentions rain and countless bullets. Its not Re:Zero levels of bullshit but it is pretty good !

Hey any skill feat I'll take !

This also upscales Caraway, Sieg, Eta, Theta and Luna who should be good at dodging.

Also I am pretty sure Caraway and Anima should get resistance to perception Manip because in one the earlier mainstory chapters it mentions that their 5 senses cannot be manipulated with illusion magic
 
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the more Yuushou gaiden chapter drops the more I'm seeing Baron ranks are tier 7...
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Dude... if the entire ground where they trained shook and caused a reasonable dust explosion...

I kinda do think its Tier 7ish but we have no way to quantify this 😭

Korne probably made that Spatial Barrier and she is upper count rank which means the Barrier would be decently large in size

Well... hold up... if Roze can make planet size barriers and Korne upscales from this... wouldn't that mean Arsha can shake planet size realms
 
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