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Isekai at Peace Discussion Thread

I don't think they will go the Father x Daughter route

Toudai seems to experiment and all... but he does hint at it appearing wholesome so maybe he is just leading us on when its really just platonic from kaito's end.

Kinda like how Toudai jokes about Makina doing bizarre yandere shenanigans with Kaito. Isekai at Peace is as Vanilla and Pure as you can get so I kinda doubt it will evolve past a semi serious semi gag phase
 
Isis in Gaiden now has full control of her magic power, considering this

~ ~ Extra : What would be the rankings of the Six Kings if they had grown to their maximum potential? ~ ~
No. 1 : Kuromueina (Prologue Fully Awakened)

No. 2 : Alice

No. 3 : Isis (Magic Power of Death Full Control)

~ ~ The Wall of Omnipotence ~ ~

No. 4 : Megiddo (True Form)

Tied for No. 4 : Ein (Authority of Time Complete Growth)

~ ~ The Wall of Quasi-Omnipotence ~ ~

No. 6 : Lillywood (Divine Tree Form)

No. 7 : Magnawell

※ His large size tends to be a handicap when dealing against beings of the same rank-Chapter 797
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She should be omnipotent, curious if this means she is fully Omnipotent level or just that the magic power of death is Omnipotent, would be funny if we could do Isis vs Yogiri, and Isis is the one who tells Yogiri to die.
 
I think a possible rating is fine

Because this is talking about Full Potential Isis.

Because Full Potential Isis ≠ Isis with Full Control of her Death Powers (She can master her abilities without necessarily being at that level)

Its kinda like Superhero Arc Goku with MUI and Moro Arc Goku with MUI where do they have some level of mastery over their abilities but there is a difference in their base stats

although I wouldn't be surprised if she is on that level considering how she is awakening to her powers as noted in Mainstory

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Fate Chan also got to Quasi-Omnipotent after absorbing Shiro's Magical energy so like... I can see Isis doing something similar maybe ? Because Isis's Authority should be on par with Life's Ultimate Authority (?)
 
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Her existence itself is the magic power of death, so even if we say "just her magic power of death" that is still isis. So seems to imply she herself reached that level. BUT, WC have HDE and many other abilities, not just the one trait. So idk, maybe a situation similar to Kate's but on an omnipotent level
 
btw Pegasus can we add the Entire Isekai at Peace Universe as Kaito's standard equipment ?

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At this point, it ain't even wrong 😭
 
Alice is like the main one (ignoring epilogue or eden) that's like an actual equipment ngl. She's like...always there watching someway or somehow
 
For the moment, we should just wait and see what Isis does before doing any upgrades.

Kaito already has the Little Epilogue which auto kills anything hostile to him, and Shiro who is always watching his future, it's pretty much irrelevant to add anything else to him lol.

He is blessed by all sorts of Gods too who are also watching him, so if he wanted to, he could call for their help and they would show up, but yea once you have 1-A protection, seems almost pointless to pay attention to the other stuff.
 
Celestial_Pegasus said:
Isis in Gaiden now has full control of her magic power, considering this



She should be omnipotent, curious if this means she is fully Omnipotent level or just that the magic power of death is Omnipotent, would be funny if we could do Isis vs Yogiri, and Isis is the one who tells Yogiri to die.
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If Isis IS just straight up her magic power, then I can see it. But if it's specifically her magic power, separate from her, then you can just add that as an extra key or smth.

However, given we don't really have much context of whatever nonsense she's capable of in Gaiden, I'd also add smth like "potentially [rating] with Magic Power of Death".

On a sidenote, didn't you say you'd stop trying to do stuff with this verse?
 
Bro Isis magic power of death is explicitly her existence itself. Everything about her is magic power of death. You cannot separate it from her without rewriting her entire existence.
 
Enter_Bluey said:
Her existence itself is the magic power of death, so even if we say "just her magic power of death" that is still isis. So seems to imply she herself reached that level. BUT, WC have HDE and many other abilities, not just the one trait. So idk, maybe a situation similar to Kate's but on an omnipotent level
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Now that I think about it, WCs can go soul mode like Isis to discard their HDE and go AE with their authorities. Isis as the Evil God was born in a void where left right, forward back, and up down don't exist, a place lacking the 3 dimensions.

Also, Kate, lol
 
The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
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If you think about it

Epilogue being stated to be beyond the strongest imaginable and the author saying he cannot defeat something like the epilogue

Means that any positive quality would exist in this More "Fictional layer". If we assume the Strongest Imaginable being is purely hypothetical (including any possible positive quality) as its theoretically possible to exceed even Nebula as she doesn't really limit the Realm of Comparing abilities and There are beings who can hypothetically resist the Epilogue and would get their story Closed by the Epilogue as they are purely fictional incomparison to it

Its similar to The Author is writing on a piece of paper and he can include any combination of words and yet... its still remains as nothing more then words on a piece of paper while the Epilogue is outside it. Viewing Reality as nothing more then a Book (Which funnily enough is something Sirius Senpai did with the Manga... is Sirius Senpai actually the Epilogue ? Nah...)

It fits in with how No One knows about the Epilogue despite 4th wall breaks or gags and No Adjective can be used for the Epilogue as its entirely outside their fictional setting

Even Vernal herself is implied to not know about the Epilogue... meaning she may also be a fictional character in this analogy while the Epilogue is the Reader and perhaps more distinct from it ?

The Prologue which can make any scenario possible even if it is impossible... maybe the "Writer" in this context ? But dunno... it seems abit more consistent with the Writer Analogy I used earlier as only the Writer can create impossible scenarios... since from an analogy Point of View.. Fiction can be whatever they want... but they are still only manipulating a Fictional Framework while Epilogue is already outside that Framework

Kinda Neat I guess
 
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BoastJr said:
If you think about it

Epilogue being stated to be beyond the strongest imaginable and the author saying he cannot defeat something like the epilogue

Means that any positive quality would exist in this More "Fictional layer". If we assume the Strongest Imaginable being is purely hypothetical (including any possible positive quality) as its theoretically possible to exceed even Nebula as she doesn't really limit the Realm of Comparing abilities and There are beings who can hypothetically resist the Epilogue and would get their story Closed by the Epilogue as they are purely fictional incomparison to it

Its similar to The Author is writing on a piece of paper and he can include any combination of words and yet... its still remains as nothing more then words on a piece of paper while the Epilogue is outside it. Viewing Reality as nothing more then a Book (Which funnily enough is something Sirius Senpai did with the Manga... is Sirius Senpai actually the Epilogue ? Nah...)

It fits in with how No One knows about the Epilogue despite 4th wall breaks or gags and No Adjective can be used for the Epilogue as its entirely outside their fictional setting

Even Vernal herself is implied to not know about the Epilogue... meaning she may also be a fictional character in this analogy while the Epilogue is the Reader and perhaps more distinct from it ?

The Prologue which can make any scenario possible even if it is impossible... maybe the "Writer" in this context ? But dunno... it seems abit more consistent with the Writer Analogy I used earlier as only the Writer can create impossible scenarios... since from an analogy Point of View.. Fiction can be whatever they want... but they are still only manipulating a Fictional Framework while Epilogue is already outside that Framework

Kinda Neat I guess
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This is just standard R>F stuff. If you want to wank "Strongest Being Imaginable" as in stronger than Nebula, you'd be glazing for a  potentially stronger character. Something that doesn't exist. Because Epilogue is simply operating on an entirely separate framework, a single R>F.

I have no idea what you're trying to say or imply with this.
 
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You think I am wanking Epilogue but you failed to notice my true objective

Wanking Prologue

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Also her R > F is the best example on this wiki. Idk why people say she is at best 1-A when this is just a very consistent rating
 
BoastJr said:
You think I am wanking Epilogue but you failed to notice my true objective

Wanking Prologue

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Also her R > F is the best example on this wiki. Idk why people say she is at best 1-A when this is just a very consistent rating
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No, I know you're wanking Prologue for no solid reason.

In fact, Epilogue is so suspiciously perfectly aligned with how people view 1A that I have actual suspicions the author pulled an Instant Death.
 
Justlol230 said:
No, I know you're wanking Prologue for no solid reason.
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I advocated Fully Awakened Prologue being > Nebby (Although FA Prologue will never be a thing in the novel iirc)
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In fact, Epilogue is so suspiciously perfectly aligned with how people view 1A that I have actual suspicions the author pulled an Instant Death.
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Funfact, She had this meta in 2021 while the vsbw revision happened in late 2023 - 24 something. Its always been a thing.
 
Epilogue is the Reader

Shiro is just its OC self inserted into the story

Enter_Bluey said:
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But here is the weird thing I was thinking off...

If Prologue came from Epilogue... and there may be a chance for Prologue to be Nebula level (Awakened Prologue I mean)

Then wouldn't it be weird for Complete Shallow Vernal to be physically nerfing themselves to just 1-C levels... not that it really matters since they can oneshot anyone but still
 
BoastJr said:
Epilogue is the Reader

Shiro is just its OC self inserted into the story


But here is the weird thing I was thinking off...

If Prologue came from Epilogue... and there may be a chance for Prologue to be Nebula level (Awakened Prologue I mean)

Then wouldn't it be weird for Complete Shallow Vernal to be physically nerfing themselves to just 1-C levels... not that it really matters since they can oneshot anyone but still
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I don't think it's too weird. It's like inserting in your own character into a setting that's op. They still have the ability to use the epilogue anyway. And did prologue come from epilogue? Ik shiro split herself and made kuro anyway, so...just hard to tell it's scope atmosphere.

Probably best not to think too hard on it since author I'm sure will make it somehow very clear at some point
 
本編から百年が経過した現在では、死の魔力を完全にコントロールできるようになっており、普通に力の弱い相手とも触れ合えるようになっており、持ち前の優しい性格でいまや多くの者に慕われており、冥王、界王と並ぶほどに温厚であると言われている。——むつら☆ぼし chapter 2
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Has this reached the Magic Power of Death Full Control? Omnipotence 1C？

Author's homepage
 
Maybe Gaiden will give some more info on the Prologue, but its speculative where its full power scales atm, author hasn't touched it in like almost 2000 chapters...

Some clarity would be nice.
 
BoastJr said:
Epilogue is the Reader

Shiro is just its OC self inserted into the story


But here is the weird thing I was thinking off...

If Prologue came from Epilogue... and there may be a chance for Prologue to be Nebula level (Awakened Prologue I mean)

Then wouldn't it be weird for Complete Shallow Vernal to be physically nerfing themselves to just 1-C levels... not that it really matters since they can oneshot anyone but still
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This is boldly assuming anyone actually likes Kaito as a character (he's a self-insert, and I hate him)
 
Legacy30 said:
Why are you on this site anyways when you're mostly hating on a series you never even read?
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Because I despise inaccuracies, and also heavily dislike glazing of most Isekais.

I also came here because someone wouldn't shut up about the verse.
 
A worthless motivation to be here tbh. Especially for something you don't even read, which is worth repeating here. I only know you from the reddit post, low effort slander btw, and even tries to push agenda by taking things out of context. Be better like supernova, at least he plays HSR, the series he's bipolar over in which he would upgrade the verse to low 1-A only to downgrade it soon after to High 1-C. That's worthy of respect.
 
Legacy30 said:
A worthless motivation to be here tbh. Especially for something you don't even read, which is worth repeating here. I only know you from the reddit post, low effort slander btw, and even tries to push agenda by taking things out of context. Be better like supernova, at least he plays HSR, the series he's bipolar over in which he would upgrade the verse to low 1-A only to downgrade it soon after to High 1-C. That's worthy of respect.
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"Low effort slander" as I list down the exact chapters of where I got the scans from to "slander", which I also haven't kept agenda pushing because I haven't kept posting about the verse outside of this site (where I don't even push agendas much), because I think it doesn't need further attention.

I also played HSR and finished up until the entire Amphoreus story, which I still think peaked with Phainon by a longshot, and also agreed with the downgrades on Honkai, and have stated outside of VSBW multiple times that I heavily disliked most of it. I also played Genshin all the way back in 2020 and stopped right before 3.0 dropped, but I had completed every quest until then.

I also don't agree with some of the scaling in some of the verses here, especially my favourites, being placed as high as they are (e.g. L1C Undertale.)
 
It's not the chapter numbers I care about. "Epilogue plot based hax with no immunity to fate hax" type ahh which is untrue if you had given it any thought beforehand. That's the kinda nonsense I was alluding to. And accusing of biased mods on top of that. It is low effort slander when you've made such claims.

Playing HSR was not even what I was getting to either on my other point. The fact is that on this site, people who downgrade or upgrade took a lot of time and effort. Bern for example, who downgraded Daimou from H1A+ down to H1A read the entire series and made checks on the raw text to then translate them to acquire more accuracy to her evidence to make it happen.
 
Legacy30 said:
It's not the chapter numbers I care about. "Epilogue plot based hax with no immunity to fate hax" type ahh which is untrue if you had given it any thought beforehand. That's the kinda nonsense I was alluding to. And accusing of biased mods on top of that. It is low effort slander when you've made such claims.

Playing HSR was not even what I was getting to either on my other point. The fact is that on this site, people who downgrade or upgrade took a lot of time and effort. Bern for example, who downgraded Daimou from H1A+ down to H1A read the entire series to make it happen.
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Which, again, I also did the latter for Honkai Star Rail at the time, and then agreed to the changes. I just wasn't the one proposing them. That's all.

As for the former statements, again, she gained visions of the future regarding Kaito and then still ended up falling in love with him. This either means she is unironically some form of fate manipulation victim since she can at best resist it rather than completely be immune, or it's some other plot contrivance that isn't relevant to powerscaling but the story itself, which I will not get into lest we derail the thread entirely.

I will simply agree to disagree with this series, and leave it at that.
 
Dawg, the scan you used to call her a fate hax victim is during a time when she gave away Epilogue to someone else. She did not have it on hand at the time. But well, certain hax or moments have killed her before. When her backstory was first spoken of, it said there were times when some WCs succeeded in killing her by retconning her existence away with causality manipulation. The WCs still got ended and she came back anyways without any effort on her part.

Also, she was not under fate manipulation when she saw those visions of the future. Those were the natural future without any external influence. Nobody was attacking or had intentions against her for those. Matter of fact, she got those visions because she WANTED them and then searched them with her omniscience/future vision.

More reason for why I call your slander low effort when you didn't know these simple things beforehand.
 
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Lets not fight over this. We all said our piece here.

People can like or dislike stuff but if its an issue, I recommend avoiding this general and just moving on altogether.

I personally avoid ID Threads or Discussion Boards eventhough I have no issue with the series but only the fanbase. I don't engage in Dragonball Threads anymore.

Lets just move away from this topic for now.
 
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