Isekai at Peace Discussion Thread

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Magic power of death is part of her existence so even if Isis has a mental clone in a virtual world, it can't be suppressed seems more of a confirmation of her abstract existence.

She is the literal concept of death, her existence won't change whether it's in the real world with a physical body or a virtual world with a mental body. Neat find though, will add this for support for abstract existence type 2.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Okay wtf? The hardest scale I can make sense of us L1-A Makina......1-A Makina is.... interesting

Nah, wait till she reaches 1-A+ so I can make a Ruphas vs Shiro rematch fr

This was done already but in 1-A, 1-A+ wont change the outcome...it will never be fair. Either Shiro is in a level they can't reach or there is no fight Their power is nonsense

Found something of interest since it involves Isis, which involves a ton of things by default.

Isis' magic power of death is still potent in a virtual world, and it's not just a simple one since Kuro and Alice helped create it to suppress her magic power of death, and it was still an act of affecting her existence. Can this mean magic power of death can continue to work in an info type 2 world and kill info type 2? If so, this could be a huge upgrade for a lot of things. I don't really know myself as this gets complicated since it is about Isis.

Regardless, we could possibly add info type 2 to the plethora of nonsense in magic power of death, which already has concept and authority stuff tacked on due to Isis being Isis.

Even more proof for abstract existence. To think it used to be considered not true, then it was written to be exactly that. Complete fact...and literally explained as death itself lol. But I suppose info type 2 could work, with her killing it. I wonder if this would buff other authorities as well? Since her power is like one...but it may be because hers is like a WC authority

 

[Noneless21]

he probably meant that everyone who can regen from Isis' erasure can have high Godly regen if it work...

which is look at note every top to God tier under the sun

 

[Legacy30]

Bro, if Isis' magic power of death gets buffed to info type 2, six kings and others would get info type 2 resist, then someone like Life would get HGR type info 2 and then world creators by extension. I knew talking about virtual worlds and info type 2 from earlier would get somewhere.

I'd say this buffs other authorities to info type 2 too because Isis can't kill authorities yet, just powernull by killing their activation.

Concept, reason, existence, info type 2...what does our archangel not have?

 

[Noneless21]

soon, Isis' death magic can kill story and everyone can return after being erased from story... and Epilogue can neg regen that can let them return from being erased from story...

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

[I see… So Akane specializes in Teleportation but your other skills aren’t much… The magic abilities of you Otherworlders really are fascinating. Being highly skilled in Advanced Teleportation but weak in other magic is quite an extreme imbalance. And Kaori, for a Human, you’re pretty strong. You’d easily surpass the average knight.]
[Eh? Kaori-san is that strong?]
[I- I don’t know. I did travel solo for several years and fought monsters along the way, so… to some extent, I guess?]
According to Megiddo-san, Kaori-san is considered exceptionally strong for a Human, which was rather surprising. I’d heard she was proficient with Water Magic, but I hadn’t imagined her power exceeded that of most knights.
At that moment, Akane-san pointed at Kaori-san and spoke up.
[…Kaori can cause a tsunami on flat, dry land though.]

[A- Ahaha… That takes a lot of energy, and there’s no real point in creating a tsunami on dry land.]

[You’re capable of even more powerful Water Magic than I’d thought huh.]

Kaori-san gave a wry smile, but the ability to summon a tsunami on barren land… That’s far beyond what I imagined. It’s possible that, among those from Earth, excluding Neun-san, Kaori-san has the greatest solo combat strength.-2076

Assuming Kaori isn't a peerage holder, which is a fair assumption, non-peerage holders can cause tsunami's, it matches with maids being able to cut the sea. Too bad the common feats page doesn't have a calc for creating a tsunami, so not sure what this results in.

 

[Bummel]

Yes she is at most high ranking demon below peerage holder

 

[Bummel]

Bro, if Isis' magic power of death gets buffed to info type 2, six kings and others would get info type 2 resist, then someone like Life would get HGR type info 2 and then world creators by extension. I knew talking about virtual worlds and info type 2 from earlier would get somewhere.

I'd say this buffs other authorities to info type 2 too because Isis can't kill authorities yet, just powernull by killing their activation.

Concept, reason, existence, info type 2...what does our archangel not have?

Screen times in current IAP

 

[Legacy30]

Kaori is creating that much water in flat, dry land to create a tsunami effect. There's no water in sight, no elevation changes to help channel or concentrate water flow, so she is creating it out of thin air.

Lowballing the size of the tsunami, chatgpt gave:

• Wave height: 5m
• Wave width: 100m
• Wave length: 100m

A volume of 50000m^3 and a mass of 1 x 10^7kg.

That would take 4.5 x 10^24 joules to create it.

...that's 71.7 billion times more energy than the Hiroshima bomb lmao.

 

[Fantric]

....the heck is with that.....large planet level Baron ranks......

 

[Noneless21]

large country level low rank...

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Would make generic Counts being High 6-A not that far fetched.

But we would need an actual calc for this, and not just chat gpt, which last I remember we don't allow, this has good potential though.

 

[Fantric]

I think I might've found something more for Isis....

Isis's magic power of death is her very existence, right? Does that mean she uses the magic power for her normal magic as well? I'm not sure but......

With her words————— “The world froze”.

The shaking earth, the trembling winds, and the jet-black bombardment that Iris released all froze and stopped moving, and silence took over the place.

Isis excluded Iris’ body on purpose, but her surroundings and her ἀποκάλυψις were frozen in place. No, that’s not all.



(……What is this? What in the world just happened? I can’t move…… No, not just my body and my magic power…… I also couldn’t breathe.)



Iris’ body shouldn’t have been frozen, but she still couldn’t move. It’s as if even the space she needed to move around in has been frozen……



[……This place…… is already my domain…… where everything…… is frozen…… Magic power…… Space…… Time…… And when the ice shatters…… everything returns to nothingness…… Cocytus…… Zero.]

[Kuhhh, gaaahhhhhh!?]
-ch 740

Her Cocytus Infinity can freeze all time, space and magic power and she uses this after unleashing her magic power of death...... does that theoretically mean she can "kill" things like time, space, etc..? Like we already know she can kill magic power via being able to kill spirits who are born from natural magic power and killing Iris's swords that are made of magic power but can she theoretically kill time and space? Idk

 

[Legacy30]

Well yeah, all of her magic is using the magic power of death. It's why she's good at destruction magic and bad at healing magic.

Thereupon, the black flames wrapped around Megiddo collided with the white cold air unleashed by Isis, causing a huge explosion. It was an explosion so large that it’s hard to know how many kilometers in radius were blown away. However, both of them, standing at the center of such an explosion, dispersed the nearby smoke as if nothing happened.

[Hahaha, well~~ You really are strong, Isis. That magic power of yours is especially interesting. For the clash of our magic of the same level to result in mine getting outclassed, that means your magic power is special, right?]
~chapter 1511

Isis using ice magic gains the properties of magic power of death is the implication.
I would like to add to magic power of death killing magic power too and explicitly confirm it.

[That is correct. There are some who inhabit plants and become a tree known as a Living Tree, or simply staying as a cluster of magic power without taking a physical form…… settling into a ghost-like form. However, while it’s often heard that she belongs to the Undead, Death King-sama’s case is quite unique. In her case, rather than being an Undead, she’s more of an embodiment of the concept of death itself…… ecologically speaking, she’s more like a Spirit, so it may be more appropriate to describe her as a Spirit of Death.]
~chapter 1909

Some undead species are literally just magic power and the undead race fear Isis.

 

[Fantric]

So, if we take it that Isis's ice magic gets properties of the magic power of death, then..... does that mean it'll be safe to assume that she can kill time and space as well....?

If it's possible then damn......

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Hmm, Isis is stated to be a ghost type entity, a concept taken form

Spoiler: Isis Concept

<Afterword>

? ? ? : [Speaking of which, regarding the slight exception we mentioned last time about weight, Isis-san also falls into that category. She’s about 150 cm tall, but her weight is only around 30 kg. This is simply because she adjusts her weight to “probably about that much”. When she moves by floating, her weight is almost zero, so she seems to adjust it rather arbitrarily. Since Isis-san is a ghost-type entity, a concept that has taken form, her actual weight is nearly nonexistent.]

Serious-senpai : [Well, when you reach Isis’ level, adjusting something like weight seems like a given.]-Chapter 2144

This was already said before, but thinking about it Isis is stated to take a spiritual form vs Iris

Spoiler: Isis Spiritual

[…Good grief, it feels like my common sense has been completely overturned. They’re outrageous beings huh… The beings called Six Kings… In that case, what about this!!!?]

As Iris-san shouted and put her hand on the ground, the ground moved like a wave and a huge earthen spear formed, shooting towards Isis-san.

I see, if Isis-san can nullify magic, that doesn’t mean that the earth molded with magic will disappear. I thought this was a spectacular move, but right after that, Alice-san’s voice echoed.
[Well, that’s the attack that anyone would come up with huh. That’s exactly why it holds no meaning though…]

After those words, the earthen spear slipped through Isis-san’s body without any resistance.

[…A power similar to Spiritual Form? And thereby, all physical attacks are nullified huh? However… that is…]

[Well, something like that. There are lots of opponents that can nullify both physical and magical attacks at peak Count-rank, so I’ll be teaching you how to defeat them in the future. Well, with that out of the way, I guess it’s about time we change the subject… Isis-san.]
-Chapter 737

Doesn't this blatantly mean the spiritual form isn't a mere "spiritual" form, as even Alice basically says it's not exactly spiritual, but Isis taken on a conceptual form, you know the thing which is the core of her being...

Oh also since I ignored this as a lot of the stuff from the early afterstories were already on the profiles, so I didn't put them on my list, coming back to this chapter its stated a lot of opponents at peak count rank can nullify both physical and magical attacks, so looks like a power null addition to them, or looking at the context here of taking on a spiritual form to ignore attacks, basically intangibility.

 

[Noneless21]

we can stretch this even further by making ghost type entity not limited to Isis and apply it to ghost in general...

since Alice said it like a classification rather than Isis' exclusive thing

 

[Fantric]

Yea, I think nullifing the physical attacks is by basically turning intengible and nullifing magical attacks is basically simple power null. So we got intangibility and power null and since Alice is gonna teach Iris on how to defeat such opponents, does that add negation to these abilities as well?

And Serious Senpai's comment there is interesting, if changing the weight on Isis's level is a norm so does that mean all the Six Kings get smth like biology manipulation or smth else?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

we can stretch this even further by making ghost type entity not limited to Isis and apply it to ghost in general...

since Alice said it like a classification rather than Isis' exclusive thing

That's a bit much, we already know Isis is special being the concept of death, to say every ghost is a concept is big stretch.

But yea it's stated Isis is unique, she is more like the god of Death, since the Great Evil God is her core

Spoiler: Isis God

[I’ve heard of that. Necromancers can alter their own magic power to artificially create Dead Souls and produced Undead soldiers…]
Nodding at Rachel-san’s words, Noir-san joins the conversation. In the first place though, I don’t really know much about Undead-related Demons. Among those I know, it seems that Sechs and Isis-san fall into that category, but even though they’re both considered Undead, I feel that Isis-san and Sechs-san are quite different in nature.
[That’s right. In the first place, although we’re generally categorized as Undead Demons, our natures vary widely. This might be a redundant explanation for someone like Miyama-sama who uses Sympathy Magic, but emotions dwell within magic power. Negative emotions, in particular, manifest strongly in magic power, and sometimes the emotions of the deceased, which could be called grudges, can bind their souls… Of course, souls that can’t even self-resurrect can’t possibly transform into something else. However, interestingly, such negative souls tend to attract similar souls, and it’s said that when many souls filled with negative magic power merge, Undead Demons are born. During that process, it’s common for them to inhabit some kind of medium, especially something resembling their form back when they were alive, which is why dolls are a popular choice.]

[By “common for them to inhabit”, does that mean it’s not always the case that they’d dwell in something humanoid?]

[That is correct. There are some who inhabit plants and become a tree known as a Living Tree, or simply staying as a cluster of magic power without taking a physical form… settling into a ghost-like form. However, while it’s often heard that she belongs to the Undead, Death King-sama’s case is quite unique. In her case, rather than being an Undead, she’s more of an embodiment of the concept of death itself… ecologically speaking, she’s more like a Spirit, so it may be more appropriate to describe her as a Spirit of Death.]

Now that she mentioned it, I can see her point. I’ve felt this before, but Isis-san seems to have a different vibe compared to Sechs-san or Rachel-san. When described as a Spirit embodying the concept of death, it certainly seems to fit.

Well, in fact, since the soul of the Great Evil God of Despair is the core of her existence, she’s probably more like a God rather than a Spirit, but since Rachel-san has no way of knowing that, it’s only natural she’d think of her as more of a Spirit.-Chapter 1909

 

[Fantric]

we can stretch this even further by making ghost type entity not limited to Isis and apply it to ghost in general...

since Alice said it like a classification rather than Isis' exclusive thing

We can but....that would definitely feel like a stretch ngl.... since we got exclusive info on Isis rather than all the ghost type in general.

Well, if you want to, then Life control's the concept of life which is present in everything, even plants so souls without bodies are just concept of life blah blah blah smth

 

[Bummel]

Density manipulation?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Yea, I think nullifing the physical attacks is by basically turning intengible and nullifing magical attacks is basically simple power null. So we got intangibility and power null and since Alice is gonna teach Iris on how to defeat such opponents, does that add negation to these abilities as well?

And Serious Senpai's comment there is interesting, if changing the weight on Isis's level is a norm so does that mean all the Six Kings get smth like biology manipulation or smth else?

Think the intangibility makes not just physical attacks, but also magical pass through rather than a combo of intangibility + power null.

All 6 Kings will get body control or density manipulation, most likely density manipulation.

 

[Fantric]

Think the intangibility makes not just physical attacks, but also magical pass through rather than a combo of intangibility + power null.

All 6 Kings will get body control or density manipulation, most likely density manipulation.

Hmm I kinda think it's implied that intangibility is used to nullify physical attacks and to nullify magical attacks you, can basically just distort the structure of the magic. It also doesn't feel like an Isis exclusive thing since she can do that simultaneously and at much greater speed but it doesn't feel like she's the only one who can. In fact, the reason she can do this is cuz of her magic control and we all know peak count ranks by default have a much better magic control.

After Iris-san, who couldn’t even stain Isis-san’s clothes from her special technique, made a vexed expression, she quickly switched minds, and summoned a large number of spears and launched them towards Isis-san.

The spears, which I estimate to be over a hundred in number, headed for Isis-san…… and before they could even touch her body, “all of it vanished”.


[……What the.]

[They vanished?]


Seeing the huge number of spears disappear in an instant, Iris-san’s eyes widened in astonishment, while I tilted my head, not understanding what just happened.


[If you only heard that she can’t control her magic power of death, you might assume that Isis-san isn’t very good at controlling her magic power…… but Isis-san’s magic power control techniques are actually the best in the world. It’s just that, even when she has that much control, her magic power of death is just too powerful to control. It’s a piece of cake for her to “interfere with external magic heading towards her and deactivate it”, and even “revert that magic into its simple, harmless magic power form”.]


Hearing Alice’s explanation, I became astonished. That means, Isis-san has just deactivated all of the more than 100 magic spears heading towards her at a considerable speed in an instant and reverted them to simple magic power…… That means……
~ch737

This basically implies that magic nullification works on interfering with the magic power itself.

 

[Legacy30]

Well, you have maids and their maidric aura that can nullify weaker maid techniques, and those below barons can achieve this. Who's to say peak counts can't nullify weaker magic with just their aura?

 

[Fantric]

You're comparing the maidric aura bs to actual magic power

 

[Legacy30]

Yes.

Anyway, Alice mentions two methods of nullifying magic. The general kind where you interfere with it from the outside and deactivate it or revert it back into harmless magic power.

『自分に向かってくる魔法を外部から干渉して解除』、『なんの害もないただの魔力に戻す』なんてのも朝飯前ってわけです

Things like 'interfering with incoming magic from the outside and dispelling it,' or 'reverting it into harmless, ordinary magic power'—those are child's play for her
~chapter 737

So yeah, Peak counts can nullify physical attacks by going intangible and nullify magic with intangibility or using two methods.

 

[Noneless21]

You're comparing the maidric aura bs to actual magic power

Maidric aura scales by how powerful a Maid is, this is why there's three Maid Asceticism where they crush boulder into sand, split waterfall with their Maidric aura alone and split the sky and sea

 

[Fantric]

The maidric aura depends on the maid power of a maid which depends on how skilled a maid is(I hate myself for using these words) so we do have enough parallels to conclude maidric aura is just magic power but since we don't have an outright confirmation, we can't really use this.

And if only those two methods are used to null magic attacks, does that mean magical attacks bypasses intangibility? If so, then we sure are getting many updates.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

I believe there was a statement on this, that at that level count ranks can nullify other attacks. Paralysis spells were nullified or whatever. This would be outside influence, meanwhile someone like Isis can of course directly revert the attack back.

The other thing is basically intangibility to both physical and magical. Which will also give count ranks and up NPI to these things most likely.

Isis is rather strong herself, compared to others. Her existence is unique, so compared to lower ranks it would be hard to interact with her. Which may be a buff for the six kings in interaction as well...if her intangibility is unique. That, and then what was said earlier. Magic power of death is a bit imbued to her other magic attacks to make it special. Which means either some limiteddeath manip on her basic Magic, or powernull since they take priority over equal level Magic.

Counts and such still op tho. Causality Manipulation, "event inducement" or whatever that is, luck/probability stuff, time stop, someone mentioned EE here? Don't know where that was from tho. But it seems six kings all have much more potency than them, or can just do everything at once. Like Isis can factor in 10,000 magic attacks at once...that's busted if they are separate spells.

 

[Fantric]

someone mentioned EE here? Don't know where that was from tho.

It was me I think, idk tho. Depends on how we interpret Spaitial Anhilation, I personally think it should be EE but I'm curious on what others think. It's said that fights between Peak Count ranks can not be ended by "something like this" when Polaris used that in vs Iris and she just tanked it.

 

[Legacy30]

Yeah, Polaris broke through all of Iris' defense magic and then collapsed her Large-Scale Spatial Barrier in a Spatial Annihilation attack, and then Iris comes out of it unscathed.

Confirming such a scene, Polaris clapped her hands…… and the Large-Scale Spatial Barrier that had been created converged with Iris at its center, and disappeared with a tremendous explosion.

An attack with a Large-Scale Spatial Barrier, a strike with a body that boasts an unbelievable amount of physical strength, and for good measure, a Spatial Annihilation Attack…… She doesn’t expect that a battle between peak Count-ranks wouldn’t be settled by something of this level, but Polaris still expects that she dealt a certain amount of damage.
~chapter 787

The other few times Spatial Annihilation is mentioned includes this:

? ? ? : [If she gets serious, “unless they hold the same authority, at a speed that can’t be detected, God of Time and Space could unleash an unblockable Spatial Annihilation”.
~chapter 737

Easy interpretation is that it erases the space along with the target.

...By now with all these confirmations on Isis and her magic power of death, concept of death and on the level of an authority, is this enough to say that Isis conceptually kills things?

 

[Enter_Bluey]

I dunno... since none of that really suggest she's killing the concept of stuff. Annihilation means to destroy, not exactly erase. We know Isis is an AE being, her existence is like an authority. But we don't much killing concept shenanigans.

I'd say the closest is the fact a virtual world, which is part of info type 2, can't restrain even a mental variant of her power. Is it erasing type 2 info? Maybe... That and another thing...her intangibility. Her intangibility is special, you need to interact with her existence or what not. But we dunno if anyone can erase that level. World creators like shiro can recreate her existence however

 

[Noneless21]

we're still a shy away from High Godly Regen...

 

[Fantric]

The digital world that is programmed to control her magic power of death still fails in that even tho it's not even the OG but just a mental clone, this means her passives are still on. The digital world that is programmed to control the magic power of death, but the magic power overwrites it either way.........wait a sec...

Correct me if I'm wrong since I can't properly remember it but...In the digital world, everyone is on the form of data right? Isis's magic power of death still works there so that means her killing ability will work as well...so, if she kills someone there, does that mean she's killing someone's info? Idk how to interpret the mental clone tbh but since the whole world is digital then.......I know this sounds too damn far fetched but I can't help but think that way

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

This is getting ridiculous lmao.

Yes, the lottery Kaito had been conducting was to determine who would have the privilege of gifting him presents for his birthday party. After discussions, it had been decided that among the World Creators who wished to participate, five individuals would be selected by Kaito through a lottery to be granted the right to give him a birthday present.

Electrone, having won that right and basking in her triumph, was met with an overwhelming wave of jealousy and murderous intent from those around her, enough to threaten the collapse of several dimensions. However, she nonchalantly brushed it all off.
Gathered here were members of various fan clubs dedicated to Kaito, established by the World Creators. Specifically, this particular club consisted of those who held romantic feelings for him… or as Electrone described them, the “Die-Hard Devotees”. The jealousy toward Electrone, who had just secured the right to give Kaito a birthday gift, was intense.

Even so, because prior agreements had been strictly established, no actual battles broke out…

Incidentally, other factions existed as well, such as a fan club that worshiped Kaito as an entity on par with Nebula, as he was an entity she referred to as Milord, and another that viewed Kaito as their child, watching over his growth with warm affection. There were many different groups even within the broader fan club.

Since Nebula herself was an entity reigning at the pinnacle of an overwhelming number of World Creators, the sheer number of World Creators who became fans of Kaito was extraordinary.

It's Kaito after all I guess, now he has a multiversal fan club.

Side note I assume either tomorrow or the day after I will be caught up, after which I guess I will finish off that last CRT for AWLBA, then get back to making sandboxes for all the CRTS for this verse.

 

[Noneless21]

Kaito adoration association goes from 10 to at least 85 to at least 17 BILLIONS members

gotta love Isekai at Peak

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I can also now see where the arguments for High 1-A Shiro come from.

Definitely an interesting argument to be made, will it pass? Eh idk, but an attempt will be made.

 

[Fantric]

If I'm being honest, I feel something like 1-A+ is a more safer option tbh with all that ">>>" signs and Epilogue can't be included and what not. But looking forward to the attempt I hope it passes

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Ah yes, I love scaling greater than symbols as well

 

[Noneless21]

every nitpick counts