Isekai at Peace Discussion Thread

[Fantric]

Serious-senpai : [Mach 245, that’s quite a tremendous speed…… however, it’s actually that, right? When someone is at the level of High Count-rank, there’s a whole bunch of them moving at the speed of light, right? I guess it’s good this series isn’t about battles……]

? ? ? : [In other words, seriousness isn’t needed?]

Serious-senpai : [I ain’t saying that!]
~chapter 1189

High count ranks will have SoL travel and maybe reaction speed. Tho is there actually someone who'll directly scale to this? Well, with this, relevestic Lilia does make more sense. People scaling to Amel will scale to MHS tho how do we find her peerage..? Like who will actually scale to her...?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

High is vague, it's above Mid certainly, but does that mean the same as Peak? Just looking at things in terms of tier, where my initial thoughts put a low tier count as High 6-A, a mid tier as 5-A, and a peak as 4-A, there is a massive gap there.

Same could be said for speed where a slow count is 10xsound, while Lilia who wasn't quite yet a count was Relativistic... Amel can fly at Mach 245.

Peak will already be FTL, don't think there are any people notable who are just vaguely high? Maybe God of Light who is blatantly lightspeed, but won't bother making a profile for her.

But yea lots of things to consider like combat speed, flight speed etc.

 

[Noneless21]

I'm guessing people on Amel level (ie Laguna and Fors) could be considered as mid count rank since they all scale to Neun

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I'm guessing people on Amel level (ie Laguna and Fors) could be considered as mid count rank since they all scale to Neun

Neun is interesting, I am honestly waiting for some more info for how she scales in afterstories. But arguably she scales above people like Laguna based on how she performed in the final arc, she got strong enough to harm a High Ranking God, question is was the boost temporary or permanent

But yea Neun has some crazy accelerated development which can let her go from like High 6-A to arguably 4-A? It's all just my impression, still have to put it all together.

On another note though current Lilia where I am at is Mid tier, and Laguna is her equal, Fors doesn't scale to Laguna, this is made clear, she did in the past, but Laguna has been training to keep up with Lilia, and Fors is more of a back line fighter so can't directly fight someone like Laguna.

 

[Legacy30]

Was this part of the justification for a possibly High 3-A/Low 2-C 6 Kings?

[That, it is. The biggest drawback of Hauteclere’s ability is that it always unleashes the wielder’s theoretically maximum power, and the inability to adjust this could be a problem. Furthermore, this ability isn’t about determining the damage inflicted on the opponent; it’s more designed to ensure that Lilia-san’s attack can reach her maximum potential. This means that the moment Lilia-san assumes an attacking stance, it’s possible for one to instantly read the optimal and highest-rate attack that she can launch from that stance, making it possible for one to anticipate her next action. Well, in the first place, reaching a level where you can do that would mean your base abilities are at least Quasi-Omnipotent or greater……]
~chapter 1613

Lilia's Heart Tool buffs her attack and stats to Six Kings level, and you need quasi-omnipotent stats at least to read her attack at that state.

Edit:
Wait, this sounds even more busted on further thought...I just pulled up a random chapter and encountered this in the wild

 

[Fantric]

High is vague, it's above Mid certainly, but does that mean the same as Peak? Just looking at things in terms of tier, where my initial thoughts put a low tier count as High 6-A, a mid tier as 5-A, and a peak as 4-A, there is a massive gap there.

I don't think high Count ranks are the same as peak Count ranks since the story makes the the difference clear to address them like this but we'll...yea.

My personal ranking is something like low count ranks(idk Amel?)<mid Count ranks(Lilia, Neun, Laguna)<high Count ranks<peak Count ranks (Six Kings executives)<Duke ranks(Ozma, Pandora, Iris)......well, the problem with this is...we don't know Amel's ranking, my reasoning keeping her at low Count rank was that she wasn't really scared when she sensed Rose's presence(a Count rank) in the founding festival and wasn't intimidated by Megiddo as well but that's pretty much it. Btw what is the reasoning for Lilia's relevestic speed?

Will peak Count ranks get mftl+ attack speed?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Was this part of the justification for a possibly High 3-A/Low 2-C 6 Kings?

That had very little to do with it, there is only Quasi Omnipotent after 6 Kings, you can just take that statement as meaning that in order to predict Lilia's attack which is comparable to the 6 Kings, you would need to be far superior to her, to do so.

The argument is entirely about the context of "world", that's going to require its own thread to sort out, but yea the world world creators create are obviously infinite, thus destroying it would be High 3-A, and then adding in stuff about Shiro's win system, where she literally creates a parallel timeline based on the original, a world is a timeline, thus destroying it is Low 2-C, but this has some issues, which a thread is needed to get into all the nuances.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Btw what is the reasoning for Lilia's relevestic speed?

Spoiler: Count/Lilia Speed

[I see, that sounds pretty powerful. Sound attacks unleashed at sound speed…]
[…………]
Sound Speed Movement is often considered a strong ability in battle-oriented media. Attacks with a speed of approximately 340 m/sec are quite tremendous, so I thought Aria-san might be pretty strong… but she was looking at me with a complicated expression on her face.
As I tilted my head in wonder, Aria-san explained with a wry smile.
[No, sound speed certainly is tremendous at an ordinary level… but for Peerage holders, that speed is so slow that there are only a few Baron-ranks who can’t reach sound speed, and those who can’t reach sound speed often excel in other abilities instead… and for those who excel in speed, even when they’re at Baron-rank, they can move dozens of times faster than sound speed.]
[Ahh, I see. Come to think of it, I did hear something about how even low Count-ranks are able to handle light speed.]
I remember hearing about it from Alice when we were talking about Lilia-san’s reaction speed. If I recall correctly, at that time, Lilia-san hadn’t reached the same level as Count-ranks yet, but Alice said Lilia-san’s observable speed was on the level of 1/200 millionth of a second, and her reaction time was 1/100 millionth of a second. Of course, this includes enhancement by magic, but I heard that was at a level slightly lower than light speed.
Now that she has already reached the level of Count-ranks, she must be much faster than that… Peak Count-ranks, Duke-ranks and the Six Kings must be on a whole different level then.
Even with the glasses that can allow me to see at speeds ten times faster than light, capturing Isis-san, who moves relatively slowly, in my view is still at a challenging level… The Six Kings really are just astounding.-Chapter 1846

Will peak Count ranks get mftl+ attack speed?

Unless there is some feat that happens later, idk where MFTL+ comes from.

But anyway going to bed now, will continue my reading later.

 

[Legacy30]

Unless there is some feat that happens later, idk where MFTL+ comes from.

Pegasus you were the one that mentioned it in page 33 that Polaris would get MFTL+ attack speed

As if in response to Polaris’ words, the space finally bared its fangs on Iris. The stars that had been twinkling in the sky, all fell to the ground at once… raining down towards Iris.

The shooting stars raining down incessantly filled the space with thunderous roars and explosions. When Iris blocked them with a powerful Defensive Magic, Polaris flew to her, fists at the ready, and swung her arm.

Polaris sends the stars in her Large-Scale Spatial Barrier to attack Iris, and then Iris reacts to them with defense magic.

Shouldn't that give Peak Counts MFTL+ reaction too?

 

[Fantric]

.....htf did I miss this bruh......?

Unless there is some feat that happens later, idk where MFTL+ comes from.

Basically from the Polaris throwing stars at Iris, if that feat is rated as 4-A, I think the speed to pull those stars out of the sky will be mftl? Idk

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Pegasus you were the one that mentioned it in page 33 that Polaris would get MFTL+ attack speed

Polaris sends the stars in her Large-Scale Spatial Barrier to attack Iris, and then Iris reacts to them with defense magic.

Shouldn't that give Peak Counts MFTL+ reaction too?

Completely forgot about that lmao.

Yea a calc is needed, but yea would be MFTL+ reaction speed, probably combat speed at that point, which would be quite an upgrade. Hard to keep track of all the stuff with so many going on, hence why I keep saying don't take anything I say while reading too literally, I only make up my mind once I am making the CRTS.

MFTL+ Peak Count ranks would be cool.

 

[Fantric]

[As we had expected, “he wasn’t able to catch the Demon’s name.” It must have been the Information Concealment Magic the High-ranking Demons often used, if you think about the fact this Demon had “forcibly canceled” the Recognition Inhibition Magic that was supposed to be applied to Miyama-sama, it’s easy to predict they must be a High-ranking Demon. Moreover, this too…]
~ch 7

This might add up in the power nullification part, like all high ranking demons gets power null rather than just peerage holders? Idk but damn I just keep getting these random scans out of nowhere..... just keeping it here so I won't forget this thing exists when the time comes....

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

The hell is this nonsense

[The maids are also highly aware of the situation. It seems that several people have already been personally nominated by President Ein, and some of them are already starting their “mountain seclusions” in preparation for the main event.]

[…No, the heck is with those mountain seclusions!? That doesn’t seem connected at all! You’re supposed to be serving people, what are you doing in the mountains!?]
[What are you talking about, President? When a maid speaks of mountain seclusions, it obviously refers to performing the “Three Great Maid Asceticism”…]

[No, why the heck are you acting like that’s common knowledge!!!? Just so you know, you maids aren’t within the realm of common sense, okay!? Rather, the heck is this Three Great Maid Asceticism anyway!!!?]

In response to Frau, who speaks as if it’s a matter of course, Akane’s heartfelt screams echoed in the room. She looked fed up with how absurdly beyond the norm the Maid World is, but unfortunately, it seemed like the story wasn’t over yet.

[The Three Great Maid Asceticism refers to the traditional training methods to enhance one’s Maid Power: “Rock Crushing”, “Waterfall Splitting”, and “Cloud Cutting”. It’s said that maids who accomplish these tasks can significantly increase their Maid Power, with the greatest improvement reportedly an increase of 5000 Maid Power. I myself once undertook these tasks to train my Maid Power.]

[No, those totally looked like training for battle though!? Also, what does that have to do with serving!? How the heck does something like splitting waterfalls apply to serving!?]





<Afterword>

【Three Great Maid Asceticism】

<Rock Crushing>

It’s natural for a maid to have perfect control over her body’s movements, and it’s expected of a top-tier maid to crush boulders into sand using only her limbs.

<Waterfall Splitting>
With the Maidric Aura emitted by a top-tier maid, splitting a waterfall is easy. A maid shall never be obstructed by anything other than her master, and it should be a matter of course to repel waterfalls with just the emission of the Maidric Aura without moving one’s body.

<Cloud Cutting>

The actions of a true maid seizes everything in existence, making one capable of splitting the sky, crushing the earth, and even parting the sea with ease. However, to wield such power for mere tyranny makes one beneath a third-rate maid. A top-tier maid should refine and control her power perfectly, naturally being capable of the act of cutting the clouds floating up in the sky without stirring a single breeze.
-Chapter 1853

Considering Frau did this nonsense and she is around the level of Lunamaria, this would result in an upgrade, based on this Re Zero calc for a similar feat, this will probably be around High 7-C to Low 7-B if we assume like a minute timeframe as a lowball.

 

[Legacy30]

I see you've reached peak maid brainrot.

If Lunamaria is High to Low 7-B, Sieg who is relative to Lunamaria will also be on that level. And Sieg isn't a Baron yet iirc at this point in the afterstories...same Sieg who can't beat Bell.

 

[Noneless21]

Well, we already listed Maidric aura as legitimate aura and have Maid burst listed as Empowered (it was yours truly that added this) so might as well use the magnificent of Maids to upgrade the low mid of the verse...

Also, Kuro and Alice said Sieg can beat Bell, but in a close fight

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

"Parting the sea" is also an interesting statement, but without visuals don't think it can be used, would need to know what is the length of the parting, how deep is it etc, but yea High 7-C to Low 7-B is a good upgrade.

As Noneless said Seig is relative to Bell at this point, and apparently before was just below Peerage Ranks, which btw starts at Baron, but is now at Peerage Rank, though idk if we should take her being just below Baron level in the Main Story to like upgrade that key as well, by saying while inferior, she wouldn't be too far off, maybe?

But yea, what the hell are maids...

 

[Noneless21]

give it enough time and Maids will be tier 2

Edit: Bro I forgot Maidric aura can nullify other weaker Maid techniques so we dead ******* ass give them straight up power nullification, not even giving them limited or something

this is truly certified Isekai at Peak

 

[Legacy30]

Web Novel : The strengthening flag has just finally established this chapter. Her current fighting strength is just barely Baron-rank.

Light Novel : In Volume 8, she meets Magic Flower Princess and becomes master and disciple, so the strengthening flag has already been established back then. She has also mastered a magic that became her trump card, and as of the latest volume (Volume 9), her real combat power is generally at mid to high Viscount-rank.
~chapter 790

[Ahh, I’ve digressed once again huh. Well, I think you got the idea that adult Behemoths are very strong…… but Bell is already “much stronger than adult Behemoths”.]

[……Eh? Is that so!?]

[Yes. If it’s pure strength alone, even though it isn’t on the level of Peerage-holders, Bell’s already at the level of High-ranking Demons.]
~chapter 827

[Then, let me ask you this…… From your point of view, do you think that the current Sieg-san could win a fight against Bell?]

[……I think she can win, but it would be a close one.]
~chapter 828

Serious-senpai : [I’m just curious, which one is stronger: Sieg or Lunamaria?]

? ? ? : [There isn’t that big of a strength difference between them, but overall, I’d give the victory to Lunamaria-san here. Lunamaria-san is an all-rounder with lots of cards to draw, and she also has her trump card of being able to dramatically increase her overall ability by drinking blood. In contrast, Sieg-san may be an excellent knight overall, but her lack of a decisive offensive move is an issue. Well, she herself is aware of this, and that’s why she was feeling powerless the most among their trio……]
~chapter 829

All the necessary context, insane that maids would end up with a massive upgrade to low-mid tiers like this.

 

[Fantric]

The hell is this nonsense



Considering Frau did this nonsense and she is around the level of Lunamaria, this would result in an upgrade, based on this Re Zero calc for a similar feat, this will probably be around High 7-C to Low 7-B if we assume like a minute timeframe as a lowball.

This my friend is called the True Enlightenment, The Ultimate Nirvana. The currop- I mean the great knowledge of the maid world shall be upon you. You shall understand that the maids are the ultimate beings who transcend time and space and can't be bound by anything but their own master.

................ alright, i'mma go kill myself now.



But still, H7-C to L7-B Luna?? Seig being relative to Luna so L7-B Seig??? Heck I never expected I'd get a L7-B Bell.....LETS GOOOO!!! I didn't even need the 8-A upgrade...

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Ein's full potential is Quasi-Omnipotent level, so won't be too long before she is spouting some maid nonsense, doing some absolute crazy tier 1 stuff, while saying it's because she is a maid.

 

[Noneless21]

High 1-A+ maid... Maid Nebula... it all makes sense for the agenda of tier 0 Shiro...

 

[Fantric]

Ein's full potential is Quasi-Omnipotent?? Where did this came from?? If this is stated then..... I'm seriously forgetting some serious stuff....

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Ein's full potential is Quasi-Omnipotent?? Where did this came from?? If this is stated then..... I'm seriously forgetting some serious stuff....

<Afterword>

Q : Is Ozma’s strength, which is said to have fought evenly with Megiddo, on the level of the Six Kings?

A : Megiddo in their sealed state is inferior to the other Six Kings by one level. Even so, they still hold power that separates them from the Count-ranks… Also, it was a few tens of thousands of years ago that they were evenly matched, and now, Megiddo is stronger than Ozma, even in their sealed state.

At the moment, the order of strength:

Kuro > Alice > The Wall of Omnipotence > Megiddo (True Form) > Ein > Isis > Lillywood > Magnawell > A Level Wall > Megiddo (Sealed) > Ozma

~ ~ Extra : What would be the rankings of the Six Kings if they had grown to their maximum potential? ~ ~
No. 1 : Kuromueina (Prologue Fully Awakened)

No. 2 : Alice

No. 3 : Isis (Magic Power of Death Full Control)

~ ~ The Wall of Omnipotence ~ ~

No. 4 : Megiddo (True Form)

Tied for No. 4 : Ein (Authority of Time Complete Growth)

~ ~ The Wall of Quasi-Omnipotence ~ ~

No. 6 : Lillywood (Divine Tree Form)

No. 7 : Magnawell

※ His large size tends to be a handicap when dealing against beings of the same rank-Chapter 797

Of course this was retcon a little since where I am at neither Kuro nor Alice are Omnipotent, but if you take it as their potential, it still makes sense

 

[Fantric]

Ah ****.... it's that...I need a reread myself....

....wait a moment there.....Ein and Megiddo are tied for 4th place and are above the wall of Quasi-Omnipotent..... Megiddo is also Quasi-Omnipotent?? We getting a 1-C Megiddo key soon???

I'm not sure about Alice but Kuro is currently Omnipotent btw, just happened a few chaps ago.

 

[Bummel]

Of course this was retcon a little since where I am at neither Kuro nor Alice are Omnipotent, but if you take it as their potential, it still makes sense

Spoiler: kuro

will be omnipotent

Spoiler: Alice

gonna almost break it

Spoiler: Isis

already on course to quasi

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Still wondering how Megiddo will be Quasi level....but I'd still have to assume Alice at her peak should be above kuro with the prologue, if she can at least stalemate Makina. But her training will eventually make her omnipotent, so would make sense if she reached that soon normally

That said, this is a lot of additions. Tier 4 peak counts, tier 5 counts? And mftl+ combat speed...for them. Meaning mftl+ six kings. Would not be surprised if there ends up being a God of maids or something lmao.

Honestly though this ranking fits the series, and how advanced you need to be once you reach the higher ranks. Both in technique, and overall power. Time magic is a casual thing at count rank. A variety of magic exists (mental interference, thought disruption, water, light/dark,metal, gravity, telekinesis,powernull). Naturally someone like a six king can use all these the best, and I imagine their use will take priority over others.

One thing I always wondered is how exactly a six king would get around Lillie's abilities, because it's not just the law of causality. Unless they resist subjective reality, or can use it themselves(or use causality to make their hit guaranteed to do damage..). Then again, they can probably just nullify it

 

[Legacy30]

Lillywood can already do everything Lillie can. She's the fifth strongest of the group, and they train with each other seriously that lasts for years, so they have the means to resist/ignore all that.

[……However, it’s just that most of what I can do is actually also possible for Lillywood-sama. However, since she might want to get the opportunity to teach you, we have to keep this a secret from Lillywood-sama, okay?]
~chapter 909

 

[Fantric]

Would not be surprised if there ends up being a God of maids or something lmao.

No... please no..... please f**king no....

Then again, they can probably just nullify it

This. Considering Lillywood can do that, they might just outright resist/negate it tbh

 

[Fantric]

Rechecking some stuff......I got a doubt....

Would things like wall of Quasi-Omnipotence and wall of Omnipotence add something to the layering stuff? Like there is stated to be a level wall between them so would that be considered in layering or would be outside to the system cuz of dimensionality stuff?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

One thing I always wondered is how exactly a six king would get around Lillie's abilities, because it's not just the law of causality. Unless they resist subjective reality, or can use it themselves(or use causality to make their hit guaranteed to do damage..). Then again, they can probably just nullify it

Lillie's abilities aren't that uncommon, in fact seems that Peak Count Ranks have causality manipulation, probability manipulation, and reality warping....

Spoiler: Peak Hax

“Yes, yes. Well then, I will now be taking charge of the stage, and we will be playing a little game. It would be a bingo game, one of the entertainments often held at parties in the otherworld where Kaito-san is from. I think there are many people who don’t know about it, so I will explain it including the rules. Please enjoy it as an opportunity to experience the culture of another world.”

After prefacing her explanation with this, Alice explains the rules of the bingo game. Well, the rules aren’t that complicated, so after a brief explanation, the introduction of the prizes begins.

The maids seem to be going around handing out bingo cards as they go along, and I’m given one too… If they expressly handed me one too, does that mean I can join in?

Or rather, the prizes… Were they prepared by Alice? I did tell her to send an invoice for the sideshow expenses to Anima, but I will check again later to make sure Alice didn’t pay out of her own pocket.

“…Ahh~~ Before we introduce the prizes, I’d like to say a word or two… We have prohibited the use of Law of Causality Manipulation, Luck Manipulation, Phenomenon Establishment or any such things in this bingo game. We have set up a barrier to prevent such things here in this venue, but everyone, please be prudent. Ahh, and for those Gods who might still try something, we also have some basic countermeasures.”

That’s an unusual warning for a normal bingo game, but since more than half of the people in this venue are capable of Law of Causality Manipulation, Space-Time Magic, Phenomenon Establishment, and other such cheating magic, in a sense, giving out that warning may be important.-Chapter 1927

When you get to Peak Count Rank it's described as seeming God-like, they have the abilities to match no doubt, at this point I wonder what hax they won't have, because they keep getting more broken.

 

[Noneless21]

Gotta love seeing anybody below God tiers getting massive upgrade

 

[Fantric]

At this point, peak Count ranks have:

Space-time manipulation
Casuality manipulation
Probability manipulation
Reality warping
Pocket dimension manipulation
Existence erasure
Soul manipulation
Disease manipulation
Low-godly regen
Resistance to:
All the mentioned above plus,
Law manipulation
Conceptual manipulation

.......you sure we're still discussing mid tiers of a SoL verse...?

 

[Noneless21]

Wrong

It's low mid tier

 

[Fantric]

Even worse

 

[Noneless21]

Even better

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Never ceases to amuse me when we learn about broken stuff during slice of life moments like playing bingo, WC got upgraded based of Shiro and Eden trying to give Kaito birthday presents after all.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Shiro and Kaito go gambling playing slot machines and all of a sudden we learn the Epilogue can create all logically possible and impossible worlds...

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Lillie's abilities aren't that uncommon, in fact seems that Peak Count Ranks have causality manipulation, probability manipulation, and reality warping....

Spoiler: Peak Hax

“Yes, yes. Well then, I will now be taking charge of the stage, and we will be playing a little game. It would be a bingo game, one of the entertainments often held at parties in the otherworld where Kaito-san is from. I think there are many people who don’t know about it, so I will explain it including the rules. Please enjoy it as an opportunity to experience the culture of another world.”

After prefacing her explanation with this, Alice explains the rules of the bingo game. Well, the rules aren’t that complicated, so after a brief explanation, the introduction of the prizes begins.

The maids seem to be going around handing out bingo cards as they go along, and I’m given one too… If they expressly handed me one too, does that mean I can join in?

Or rather, the prizes… Were they prepared by Alice? I did tell her to send an invoice for the sideshow expenses to Anima, but I will check again later to make sure Alice didn’t pay out of her own pocket.

“…Ahh~~ Before we introduce the prizes, I’d like to say a word or two… We have prohibited the use of Law of Causality Manipulation, Luck Manipulation, Phenomenon Establishment or any such things in this bingo game. We have set up a barrier to prevent such things here in this venue, but everyone, please be prudent. Ahh, and for those Gods who might still try something, we also have some basic countermeasures.”

That’s an unusual warning for a normal bingo game, but since more than half of the people in this venue are capable of Law of Causality Manipulation, Space-Time Magic, Phenomenon Establishment, and other such cheating magic, in a sense, giving out that warning may be important.-Chapter 1927

When you get to Peak Count Rank it's described as seeming God-like, they have the abilities to match no doubt, at this point I wonder what hax they won't have, because they keep getting more broken.

I forget that a lot of them have similar abilities. I do remember Alice describing Lillie's as an especially strong defense though...like I think she's the only one with subjective reality hax. Alice would take like 40+ seconds to beat her I think? Which is a lot since it's Alice...

Once you reach Count rank its like causality, probability, space-time hax, time stops, powernull. I don't know what phenomenon establishment is though...but I suppose many of things can force a hit to land on Lillie eventually, depending on how skilled the rank is. Or the powernull stuff

Never ceases to amuse me when we learn about broken stuff during slice of life moments like playing bingo, WC got upgraded based of Shiro and Eden trying to give Kaito birthday presents after all.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Shiro and Kaito go gambling playing slot machines and all of a sudden we learn the Epilogue can create all logically possible and impossible worlds...

I've already seen scales trying to give the Epilogue this...based off Kuros prologue

 

[Noneless21]

Right now it's Kaito's second birthday arc so who knows that there's even crazier power lore dump

 

[Legacy30]

I forget that a lot of them have similar abilities. I do remember Alice describing Lillie's as an especially strong defense though...like I think she's the only one with subjective reality hax. Alice would take like 40+ seconds to beat her I think? Which is a lot since it's Alice...

Yeah, that was in the LN when Alice was still Six Kings level, still crazy that Lillie's defenses are good enough to last that long against her.

[Well, putting aside the Six Kings and the Supreme Gods, you can count on one hand those who were able to get through Lillie-san’s defenses. Of course, Alice-chan here can handle her quite easily! Well, it would still take me about 40 seconds to beat her.]
~LN volume 8

Alice also indirectly confirmed Six Kings and Supreme Gods have no issues defeating Lillie.

In other news, I found one of the few mentions of viscount rank and what does it say?

From what Frau-san told me during the Maid Olympia, Emily-san is a Viscount-rank Demon. Laguna-san is currently on the level of a Count-rank, but she had mentioned that back when she was traveling with the Hero Party, her strength was at the upper level of Viscount-ranks, almost reaching Count-rank. And so, Emily-san is probably quite strong among Viscount-rank Demons.
~chapter 1933

So peak viscounts, at least four of them in the Hero Party, can fight the peak count rank Vier...

 

[Enter_Bluey]

My prediction is there will be some random god of dimensions, establishing this world creator heirarchy. Nebulas ability is superior. The epilogue will never be challenged, even if some random thing with Nebula having 1A layers pops up

Inevitable that Shiro will get high 1A. Then, the novel will end with Shiro truly understands emotions and what not, probably gets rid of the epilogue or disconnects herself from it.