Isekai at Peace Discussion Thread

[Enter_Bluey]

Shiro went back to being the strongest Isekai character, excluding whatever the **** the Chinese are doing, seems to be on brand...

to be honest it's kinda easy to just, i dunno, add in more explanation that the Epilogue spans over every possible world that can be simultaneously logical and illogical and the Epilogue transcend them all

something like this is very possible

well who know if the author has any more plan on glazing the Epilogue, we can only wait

"It's very easy to add in logical and illogical possible worlds". The brainrot has gotten to you my friend...thinking it's easy for an author to add this type of phrase

Don't worry, we have special decontamination and sterilization rooms to help you out and recover

 

[Noneless21]

"It's very easy to add in logical and illogical possible worlds". The brainrot has gotten to you my friend...thinking it's easy for an author to add this type of phrase

Don't worry, we have special decontamination and sterilization rooms to help you out and recover

just tell me it's Mamakina's beloved child museum and I'll happily step in

EVEN MORE BRAINROT

 

[SweetDao]

Is there any further explanation regarding the "everything" Nebula encompass? I personally think you people aren't that far away from High 1-A at the very least.

 

[Noneless21]

best I can answer is that supposedly "beyond any dimensional stratum" where Makina's true form lies, and Nebula, theoratically, could encompass her true form too which in case, also encompass wherever this "beyond any dimensiona stratum" as a whole

that's the best answer I can give, maybe Pegasus and/or Legacy can word it better than me

 

[Fantric]

There's an argument I found about there being 2 different hierarchies but yea that's too hilarious and I don't think really works

 

[Enter_Bluey]

just tell me it's Mamakina's beloved child museum and I'll happily step in

EVEN MORE BRAINROT

Good thing we have those..

Is there any further explanation regarding the "everything" Nebula encompass? I personally think you people aren't that far away from High 1-A at the very least.

Her ability is basically considered an "outlier" regarding everyone else in the series(so far, and besides the epilogue). It makes her grow and thus become able encompass about her opponent. All their abilities, omnipotence, omniscience, etc, growing to a level beyond their existence and she absorbs them into herself pretty sure. She is an insurmountable wall compared to everyone described, so currently that will be low 1-A if makina's immortality gets through

 

[SweetDao]

best I can answer is that supposedly "beyond any dimensional stratum" where Makina's true form lies, and Nebula, theoratically, could encompass her true form too which in case, also encompass wherever this "beyond any dimensiona stratum" as a whole

that's the best answer I can give, maybe Pegasus and/or Legacy can word it better than me

Does that encompass conceptual stuff too? For example, if someone in the verse had conceptual manipulation, would it be "encompassed" by Nebula too? Heck, does she encompass concepts themselves?

Secondly, is there any information regarding what "constitute" everything beside a vague "all the abilities/characters within the story"? Something like "everything that can be described" or some sort of statement that make us understand it's beyond what is simply shown?

 

[Fantric]

Does that encompass conceptual stuff too? For example, if someone in the verse had conceptual manipulation, would it be "encompassed" by Nebula too? Heck, does she encompass concepts themselves?

Yea, conceptual manipulation is pretty common in verse and yea, it can be encompassed by Nebula. About concepts themselves....Isis has AE 2 for concept of death and I don't see any reason to why Nebula can't encompass her so yeah ig?

 

[Enter_Bluey]

She encompasses everything about her opponent, so yeah. WC throw around concept manip and stuff. Plus you get to High order dimensions that have their own laws, and so on and she can encompass it

 

[SweetDao]

Does she encompass nothingness/emptiness too?

 

[Fantric]

Kuro is the concept of nothingness so yes. But that doesn't give NEP

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Kuros power is the concept of nothingness. Though it's never elaborated pass that. She can make her form empty I think, or something like that, and has incorportiality + void manio on the profile

 

[SweetDao]

Kuro is the concept of nothingness so yes. But that doesn't give NEP

I mean, unless I'm missing something, why not NEP3? Nebula can use the power she encompasses, no?

It's a pain in the ass because be it Nebula or Epilogue, both are the definition of NLF. The stuff about "omnipotent and omniscient, beyond omnipotent and omniscience, ...." is still valid for the LN?

 

[Noneless21]

tbh NEP became weird, like Kuro was once had NEP but after revision her "Nothingness" became Incorporeal so we kinda just let it sit in her profile

 

[Fantric]

I mean, unless I'm missing something, why not NEP3? Nebula can use the power she encompasses, no?

Don't you need to give aspects for any type? Problem is, she doesn't lack anything except a physical body from the description so far.

It's a pain in the ass because be it Nebula or Epilogue, both are the definition of NLF. The stuff about "omnipotent and omniscient, beyond omnipotent and omniscience, ...." is still valid for the LN?

LN is too far behind for all this bs. Afair the only thing was addressed there was "close to Omnipotent" or something. I don't remember the "beyond Omnipotent" part in the LN. I can be wrong tho...

 

[Noneless21]

I dont think LN even reached the Epilogue segment actually

it's probably the exact same ngl

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Yeahthe statements come from the WN for now. But ye Nebulas ability is above omnipotents/omniscients(7D), higher order people (1-B), makinas immortality (low 1-A). Best we got is she can encompass "all abilities and beings", which of course would include that immortality, the conceptual abilities, the dimensions and the undimensioned places

 

[SweetDao]

Don't you need to give aspects for any type? Problem is, she doesn't lack anything except a physical body from the description so far.


LN is too far behind for all this bs. Afair the only thing was addressed there was "close to Omnipotent" or something. I don't remember the "beyond Omnipotent" part in the LN. I can be wrong tho...

Oh **** we're scaling the WN? My bad, I got confused...

Well, according to this scan, it obviously scales Epilogue above everything mentioned, but doesn't it means that a "Being Beyond Omniscience and Omnipotence" exist in the story and Nebula encompass it too?

 

[Fantric]

Well, according to this scan, it obviously scales Epilogue above everything mentioned, but doesn't it means that a "Being Beyond Omniscience and Omnipotence" exist in the story and Nebula encompass it too?

She does but that doesn't really add up much. Makina is stronger than regular Omnipotent and Omniscient beings and she's still 8-D. If you're by chance refering to the "Ever-Expanding Multi-Dimensional Omniptence" part, that shit got retconned to oblivion......the only thing that remains is the "strongest imaginable" which is too vague to scale. And I have no idea how that would interact with Nebula.....

 

[Noneless21]

basically, everything but the Epilogue

Hell she probably could but due to the illogical Epilogue it ended Nebula anyway

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Hypothetically, beyond the rank itself is probably Nebula anyway. Since she's the insurmountable wall they can't defeat. I forgot if higher order people are considered beyond omniscient/omnipotent or not

 

[Bummel]

Shiro high 1A+ run so we can get another run vs wally west

 

[Noneless21]

nah High 1-A Shiro run so we can downgrade her back to 1-C and **** with the tiktok battleboarders

 

[Bummel]

Tiktok battle boarder who wanking will never follow the downgrade

 

[Legacy30]

As I'm working on finding feats and statements for the physiology page for the peerage system, I found the statement of Neun only being able to defeat Vier at her worst condition, so that confirms that.

[Yes, Vier is among the top regarding the Count-ranks. I was only able to defeat Vier because she was in her worst condition, and I had friends encouraging me by my side. If she’s in her perfect condition, I wouldn’t be able to compete with her if I fight her one on one.]
~chapter 487

Viscounts then do not scale to peak counts, considering Anima after being exhausted from running across mountains was having trouble with Theta, who is not even Baron yet when they fought, so exhaustion does lower their power down significantly.

The buffed gods aren't normally on the Six Kings level either, their situation is similar to Iris.

(The enemy side’s estimated strength contains at least 800 Count-ranks that have the power that rivals the strength of a nation alone, 200 King-ranks that can destroy the world alone, and 3 beings that exceed even that…… One would normally think this is some kind of unfunny joke. So, what do you think? Do we have any chance of winning?)

(Well, I wonder about that. Even if we say that they’re Count-ranks or King-ranks, that’s just a boost in magic power. They also have a weakness. In the past, the God Realm has lived in a controlled God Realm, so their combat experience is fatally limited.)

(I see. So they would be just like when I first borrowed your clone. They wouldn’t be able to fully handle the power they were given…… However, that doesn’t make it any easier. Since it’s you, you’ve probably already figured out the development of the battle, right? So, what’s the odds?)
-chapter 623

 

[Legacy30]

? ? ? : [ Whoa there, here’s an important information for everyone! Alice-chan is a high-level Demon, so anything that enters her stomach is instantly broken down on a molecular level and converted into magic, so she can eat as much as she wants to!!! Her body structure would remain lovely, and will always have a nice body. The best of the best!!! As expected of Alice-chan!!! ]
~chapter 265

This is on profiles like Isis as deconstruction, but the raws is using high-ranking demon, so even they get this in addition to Absorption for eating rocks to acquire magic power

 

[Noneless21]

Yippeeeeee, now EVERYONE GET ABSORPTION

HOW FUN

 

[Legacy30]

I'm currently making a document listing abilities and resistances for the Peerage System Physiology page.
Anyone can help out if they have the time.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

As I'm working on finding feats and statements for the physiology page for the peerage system, I found the statement of Neun only being able to defeat Vier at her worst condition, so that confirms that.

Viscounts then do not scale to peak counts, considering Anima after being exhausted from running across mountains was having trouble with Theta, who is not even Baron yet when they fought, so exhaustion does lower their power down significantly.

The buffed gods aren't normally on the Six Kings level either, their situation is similar to Iris.

That statement about the Gods being similar to Iris clears up a lot of issues, great find, will have to readjust my CRT somewhat.

That said doesn't fundamentally change the direction I was going, that being the 6 Kings aren't massively superior to Peak Counts, nowhere near that billion nonsense.

I may not even bother with the thread about "world", since I don't think there is that big a difference between Peak Count Ranks who are 4-A, and the 6 Kings, to justify any Universal scaling.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Okay, so something came up when it came to the immortality via reviving with causality. This form of immortality is limited by stamina right? Like frea can eventually get beaten by high power attacks doneconstantly, the six kings fight for a while and resurrect, but that isn't forever.

Phenex on the otherhand was designed with the concept of immortality in mind. This is basically showing she can fight forever, and is special in that regard? Basically needs to be sealed

 

[Legacy30]

Oh now I get, resurrection through causality manip does have a limit due to costing magic power. There’s a statement that Lillywood provides magic power to the six kings for them to continuously use big attacks. So, if say Magnawell runs out of MP when fighting another six kings, like Isis, how is he going to revive when killed by Isis? He has to use his other immortality of regenerating. Bam. Mid-Godly for Six Kings.

Also mid-godly for Phenex since she has to be sealed and is implied that Isis can’t keep her down either.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

I forgot about that as well, Lilywood does provide magic for them. So I guess when facing opponents on their level, it really is a stamina and time thing. So not exactly immortal merchants, which makes phenex so special (and an unfortunate *********..). But I mean only other six kings or Supremes would push them to that level. Also useful for Isis, since she has the best magic control in all of Trinia, and her existence is a type of magic power lol...

I bet this a real aid to her in high tier fights

 

[Legacy30]

Oh yeah, isn’t there a statement of nullifying causality manipulation for them too? Even more reason for them to have mid-godly.

 

[Legacy30]

Found it

[……I see, it sure is a very powerful sword. Even if the opponent is one of the Six Kings, it has enough power to easily break through their defenses. Also, it seems that the effect is activated the moment you enter the attack stance.]

[Ah~~ Errr…… You stopped it so easily though.]

[Well, this attack is just a seriously normal strike. It isn’t imbued with any special effects like Causality Disruption or anything. Frankly speaking, if the other Six Kings realize that your attacks are just this level, they’ll just decide to receive it. At this point, it’s just a power modifier…… Count-ranks and above are essentially immortals, so unless you imbue your attacks with multitudes of enchantments like Recovery Obstruction, they’ll just regenerate the damage away.]
~chapter 1611

Mid-Godly Six Kings is real!

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Basically normal strikes they will just take it, but when dealing with regen via causality they'll use causality disruption and nullify it. This is also just further leading me to think they'd nullify something like lillie's subjective reality with some sortve disruption. But anyway, they can nullify causality manipulation(this can probably stop normal time stop and time manip as well), and bypass defenses on all their attacks. Along with null regeneration...this is a very killer combo in just their fights with each other

Anyway that doc you are making is very useful, there's a lot of general abilities that certain ranks have. While six kings can do most stuff other counts can do, it gets hard to remember what all the abilities actually are.

 

[Fantric]

1-A Prologue......we might have gotten one more thing to think about.... honestly, it might not be as stupid as one may think...

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

I could have sworn I made a CRT about everyone who can use magic having stat amp, and superhuman feats being a result of body strengthening? This came up because I was looking to calc the speed for the Polaris feat, it then occurred to me that Polaris literally dropped stars on Iris, so that's lifting strength, but would normally be a rating with telekinesis, but if Isekai at Peace has a universal energy system, it can be argued Polaris can just use the same magic that moved the stars, to amp her physical stats.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

I mean even Kaito can learn stats amping magic. Most people should have stats Amp spells of some kind at least, imo, as magic in this series is generally universal. Maids can do it, Alice has a strong variant of it to boost stats to her limit, Kaito even just barely having magic can do it

As for actually having more stats the more magic you have? Idk on this front...however if you go with the former logic, then probably

Actually can't Hina use body strengthening, to make herself 10s to 100s of times stronger..

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Sounds like a thread needs to be made on UES, would have to gather all the evidence.

Not sure I want to do that anytime soon though, already doing a bunch.

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Especially since there's some interesting things with magic besides stats Amp..

Everyone has magic
Magic drain/having none left can force you to unconsciousness
Magic can gather and put life into plants and such, making them alive(I think). Basically producing life
There is magic power leaks from dead individuals
Fairies are formed from magic power