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is there any way to bypass acausality type 5

Robo432343 said:
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Pray for incon.

The simplest wincon that can be done against a character with acausality type 5 is to make that character bfr with entire dimensional plane they are on (up to 1-A). Being an acausality type 5 does not mean you are a bde type 1 by default. For example, a character who can bfr all puella magi cosmology can win against Ultimate Madoka.
 
Grabbing_dragon said:
nope acausality type 5 being needs feats of resisting plot or being outside plot causality or it is a NLF
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its the other way around im pretty sure
i mean the plot manip page says this
Regarding No-Limits Fallacies, users cannot simply be assumed to bring out any imaginable effect. They are assumed to be limited in both applications and scale to what they demonstrated or can be reasoned to be capable based of reliable statements. For instance, a character whose plot manipulation can affect concepts, would need to also demonstrate the ability to affect information for them to utilize both in a combat setting. See here for more information regarding this topic.
 
Grabbing_dragon said:
nope acausality type 5 being needs feats of resisting plot or being outside plot causality or it is a NLF
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Acausality type 5 is now awarded to characters that are completely independent of cause and effect system and are not changed by any effect based on a causality system. So plot's causality cannot interact with acausality type 5 unless it is shown to interact with acausality type 5.

Currently, we treat causality, plot, law, knowledge, concept, etc. all independently of each other. That is why in cases like acausality type 4, where it is sufficient to be independent of causality only by being independent of the relevant forces, proof is required that the character with acausality type 4 is independent of the causality of plot manipulation.
 
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Bernkastelll said:
Xianxia doesn't cares about this logic.

Something is Eternal? Great, the Xianxia MC can age it.

Something is Acausal? Great, the Xianxia MC can interact with it.

Something is Immortal? Great, the Xianxia MC also kills it.
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It doesn't matter what they can do, but what the wiki counts as feat and anti feat.
 
idk, but it seems to be pretty strict currently since the requirement is to be "uninteractable" and "unchangeable", tbh I think the only one who could do it without antifeat is a tier 0, but of course that would be boring
 
Wesker018 said:
But if you interact with a type 5 then it's not a type 5. I think the only possible way is if it is proven that both interacting are type 5 .
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It done via metaphysical hax, this is coming from a being that has transcended all change, karma, cause and effect.

Su Zhou turned [Eternalism] into [Presentism].
 
Rakih_Elyan said:
It done via metaphysical hax, this is coming from a being that has transcended all change, karma, cause and effect.

Su Zhou turned [Eternalism] into [Presentism].
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then the one who is doing it technically is already someone acausal, that's what I said above, for it not to be an antifeat it has to be executed by something that is also acausal..
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
If Acausality type 5 is gonna have so much scrutiny and strictness to it why not just disqualify any supposed acausality type 5 user who can act or move.
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If a character is acausal, there should be no cause and effect to work from, especially if you're going with the vague description of "transcends cause and effect". Any sort of action being taken is inherently contradictory because cause and effect are intrinsic to every action. It's almost like acausality is incoherent and antithetical to versus debates
 
Based on this part of the page
Note that being utterly and totally immutable is something that, strictly speaking, is only guaranteed for characters with a Tier 0 rating, while lesser characters can only have likewise lesser forms of the ability by their own nature. They may, however, have a particularly potent form of immutability bestowed upon them by a Tier 0.
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It appears for non-Tier 0 characters, the acausality is just feat-based. They are affected by things shown to affect them/cannot be proven as being something they are immune to. It's a lesser form of Type 5 than non-Tier 0s have.
 
Type 5 Acausality is limited to specific things similarly to the current way type 4 Acausality is, with the main difference between the two is that one involves the character simply working on a different causality system, thus leading to potentially different results or origins when interacting with certain things, whose differences from regular causality can vary a lot yet are defaulted to the normal one to minimize assumptions (type 4), while the other involves characters that are specifically unbound to a specific set of causality (in practice being normally impossible to trigger a certain cause or effect or them, depending on the case).

Outside of this, in compatible cases, bypassing it would require Power Nullification by nature, layers don't really work with this ability as it's not one of those abilities that can just be brute forced when it involves stuff it specifically covers. Nuking a cosmology beyond the tier of the ability also usually works for the sake of NLFs.
 
Zabazab said:
They may, however, have a particularly potent form of immutability bestowed upon them by a Tier 0.
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this part is interesting, I wonder, if a character has an acausality of this type granted by a tier 0, how would this be used in a versus? Let's say that in the verse it is made explicit that nothing other than that tier 0 can interact with this being since the tier 0 beign granted acausality to him. Would be this character invincible?
 
Anything works, not all things are bound by causality and Acausality Type 5 is also dependent by its scale so having a tier higher than that works (except for Tier 0, lol)
 
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