Is Johan an extraordinary genius?

[NikHelton]

Johan's profile says:

With just his intelligence, he has brought various companies, criminal enterprises, white supremacist groups and other organizations down to their knees. At the age of ten, he managed to manipulate fifty people in 511 Kinderheim to kill each other shortly after having arrived to the orphanage. Between the ages of twelve and thirteen, he quickly learned and became perfectly fluent in English and French over the course of thirteen months, and at the age of fifteen, he started and presided over an underground bank, showcasing an in-depth understanding of mathematics, economics, trade, business, politics, management and leadership in spite of his young age. Heinrich Lunge, a man who could determine a killer's exact motives and personality by analyzing one of their crime scenes and psychologically entering their mindset, was unable to determine anything after analyzing the scene of one of Johan's crimes, eventually going as far as to say "I do not exist" when attempting to assume the latter's mentality. Hans Georg Schuwald, a prominent business figure renowned for his ability to manipulate the German economy with ease, praised Johan's knowledge of law and economics, even comparing him to the biblical Beast of Revelations and claiming him to be the beyond-human, chaotic monster he had aspired to be in years past. His mastery over psychology and analysis is such that he is able to find the root and foundation of an individual's personality within moments of meeting them, having displayed this ability countless times throughout the series

For this, he is credited with a brilliant intellect, but doesn't that make him an extraordinary genius? At the age of 10, he organized a massacre among the most talented psychological teachers selected by the state for a secret project and the children being tested, each of whom was a potential leader of the country. At the age of 15, without focusing on a specific case, but only supporting his plans and finances, he founded an underground bank, and the man who easily manipulates the economy of the whole country calls him the ideal he has been striving for all his life.

Brilliant detectives are just marking time investigating his case.

With one short conversation, he is able to bring a seasoned detective to suicide, which indicates his deepest knowledge of psychology and all this at his young age.

At the same time, he does not devote himself entirely to any of these cases. All these are just elements of his plan.

I suppose his intelligence should be rated higher than just "genius"

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Unless if you know a user is a willing friend, supporter, aquaintence, staff, user you've helped, etc, don't advertise your threads on other threads. You may get looked at the wrong way.

You're lucky to find me, who's briefly watched the beginning to mid of the anime.

Oh, and in advance, sorry for any offending typos, typing on my phone gets dumb omg.

 

[NikHelton]

Okay?

What are you think about theme?

 

[Arkenis]

Yeah it sounds like eg. Though eg is just very vague on this.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Read Another Monster should give you more feats.

 

[NikHelton]

Yeah it sounds like eg. Though eg is just very vague on this.

Johan's intelligence and manipulation put him several heads above characters with genius intellects

 

[NikHelton]

Bump

 

[RoggerReggor]

I think "At least Genius, likely higher" seems better.

This sucks man, but E.G. probably needs some supercomputer level of brain computing speed, good prediction (though it is defined as anticipation on the wiki and is seen as overall foresight) abilities, complex strategizing with high amount of adversity capacity and crazy knowledge in multiple fields of science.

You also should explain Johan's prediction feats, pretty sure he had a few good ones listed in his document.

 

[Secimatar]

I can agree with this

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Agree FRA

 

[NikHelton]

How about "At least Genius, probably higher in general, Extraordinary Genius in psychology, plans and manipulation

 

[RoggerReggor]

I absolutely do not think Johan is too much above the level of a human being in terms of manipulation, and Johan is meant to be realistic (so Extraordinary Genius is just out of question). I honestly think that saying that Johan does anything too much in the realm of unrealism would seem somehow out-of-place considering how the manga itself revolves around reality and the tragic realities of the world (and it's a peak manga for that, I didn't watch the anime entirely so I cannot say for sure about how it could have been there).

I would say Johan has peak intellect in general. Many of his feats are similar to IRL world records, like being able to be highly mature and have the ability to understand stuff at a very young age which has similar stuff like that IRL (though it's not manipulation, psychology, etc., it is more related to the general feats which is comparably similar in terms of basic contexts).

But yes, Johan's execution in manipulation and control tactics, his realization and stuff are just too good. I think "At least Genius, likely higher" is much better.

 

[NikHelton]

I don't think it's just "high intelligence" to drive a person who actively communicates with a professional psychologist to suicide in a couple of minutes of communication. As well as killing with words, forcing everyone in the boarding school to kill each other. It's something beyond human and that's why Johan is a real Monster.

 

[RoggerReggor]

I can agree, but it is something which does get replicated IRL, examples may be the older era kings/generals causing their soldiers to fight for THEIR land and basically risk their lives entirely.

Johan is very good at understanding psychology, to the point where he does make people kill each other with his manipulation, which is pretty OP, do not get me wrong, but as for the question for whether it is above the human limits by a lot, I do not seem to agree with that too much.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I agree with Reggor here

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

I can agree with At least Genius, likely higher

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

I absolutely do not think Johan is too much above the level of a human being in terms of manipulation, and Johan is meant to be realistic (so Extraordinary Genius is just out of question). I honestly think that saying that Johan does anything too much in the realm of unrealism would seem somehow out-of-place considering how the manga itself revolves around reality and the tragic realities of the world (and it's a peak manga for that, I didn't watch the anime entirely so I cannot say for sure about how it could have been there).

I would say Johan has peak intellect in general. Many of his feats are similar to IRL world records, like being able to be highly mature and have the ability to understand stuff at a very young age which has similar stuff like that IRL (though it's not manipulation, psychology, etc., it is more related to the general feats which is comparably similar in terms of basic contexts).

But yes, Johan's execution in manipulation and control tactics, his realization and stuff are just too good. I think "At least Genius, likely higher" is much better.

This is an arguement from incredulity.