Is Human level really human level?

[DaSmileKat]

I've looked at several sources about the average human running speed, and they aren't consistent, but I found that the average human should be able to run 100m in 15 seconds. That's 6.6666m/s. The average human weighs 62kg, so when sprinting, he/she have 1/2*62*6.6666*6.6666=1378 joules of KE, which is Street level, and this obviously doesn't make sense. If we take Usain Bolt's peak speed (12.4m/s) and weight (94kg), we get 1/2*12.4*12.4*94=7226 joules, so the upper limit of Street level seems fine.

 

[DxGenesis]

That's tackling which is generally recognized as having a higher energy output than normal punches and kicks. It doesn't contradict the current standards.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Basically what Genesis said.

 

[DaSmileKat]

But if tackling is the highest energy output that a human can achieve, why isn't Human level and Athlete level based on that instead of punches and kicks?

 

[LehenDuo]

One of the reasons is that, if you accepted that, people who can punch through walls and a normal human would be in the very same bracket, what is very inconsistent.
The same way falling on top of your enemy isn't a valid form of attack, tackling isn't consider one for problems the afore mentioned problem.

 

[Hop_Hoppington-Hoppenhiemer]

Tackles also often incorporate recoil and even with average into account that's assuming the technique/style of tackle lands 100% of the force upon contact. In which case, would be a miracle, and also an outlier. It's a good use of basic math and logic, but extensive practice in martial arts or other fighting styles with an exceptional human can surpass that output more consistently. Also an average person can tank a tackle quite a few times, assuming hitting the ground with their head doesn't knock them out first (most punches black a person out, but their head hitting the concrete or floor usually is the killer).

One more thing. We tend to use standard battle assumptions allot, but in places in fiction with different gravity or rules for physics, things like this can wank certain verses to unrealistic tiers. A person "body slamming" another person WWE-style on Jupiter would likely have 9-A written all over them, but that would likely end the person doing the attack. Self-damaging attacks aren't invalid for determining a tier, but let's just say they're an exception that usually wouldn't matter in say, a versus thread.

 

[DaSmileKat]

Well, I think this thread can be closed then.