Iruna addition (Part 2): Memories?

[HakutoRei000]

So the last thread was pretty much rejected by staff and another member.​

And today I would like to try again with another concept that exist within this verse.

Memories​

In Iruna, memories are treated as a fundamental block of reality that made up the structure of the world.

Such as Land, Beings, and Objects, as shown and stated they when the crystal of memories is absorbing the land the properties of existence of said things were changed accros the past and present.

The changes made if not recovered in time were permanently erased accros the past and present.

This is already addressed in the previous thread.

Mind you guys, I'm actually asking if this were even an information.

Scans (Some Scans are in previous CRT):

Now that I’ve regained the power of a god, I can draw out the memories of the entire world.

No matter how much the leaders of each nation trouble themselves over it, the world will, without any means of resistance, all return to a blank page.

If he had not been there, by now Iruna might have had everything reduced to nothingness by Keltoi’s power.

Arguments:

Based on the scans and statements, the “Memories” system in Iruna/Toram is portrayed as more than ordinary recollection, being directly tied to the world’s history, continuity, concepts, and existence itself. The Crystal of Memories can absorb the memories of lands, objects, and beings, with those memories containing the history and “concept” of the affected land. Once absorbed, regions lose their defining properties and become blank states, while beings removed from those memories cease to exist from both the past and present. This correlates with manipulating memories being capable of altering reality to a certain degree, as shown through the effects of memory absorption itself. The setting further states that absorbing all memories of the world would return it to “nothingness” or a “blank page."


Which can imply that Memories make up a significant portion of reality and its contents, as manipulating or absorbing them directly alters the world itself, even being capable of preserving entire self-contained realities or snapshots within the memory framework independently of the original point in time.

Intention:

I honestly don't know if this is sufficient, but I will argue for Information Type 2 for memories and manipulation for those who's scale to it (Adventurer Iruna) via Manipulating Memories accros the entire world.

Plzz don't flame me again (this is the 3rd time info type 2 CRT has been made) thank you.


Agree: Vietthai96 (Reality Warping, Possibly Conceptual manipulation type 2)
Disagree:
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[Vietthai96]

Now that I’ve regained the power of a god, I can draw out the memories of the entire world.

No matter how much the leaders of each nation trouble themselves over it, the world will, without any means of resistance, all return to a blank page.

If he had not been there, by now Iruna might have had everything reduced to nothingness by Keltoi’s power.

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No translation?. Get me the japanese text, damn, i will translate this shit myself

Also based on the, of these words is right, i still failed to see any actual evidence of altering memories actually altering the worlds. No info 2 for now

 

[HakutoRei000]

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No translation?. Get me the japanese text, damn, i will translate this shit myself

Also based on the, of these words is right, i still failed to see any actual evidence of altering memories actually altering the worlds. No info 2 for now

The blue text is the translation I did it to make it easier.

Second is, the premise is that manipulating Memories can actually affect reality itself, the effect already being shown when the memories are absorbed and the land itself also becomes nothingness (blank slate on some parts), as they can:

1. Create a reality based on Memories (meaning they can create a reality out of memories)


2. Make up most if not all of the world itself, shown when Cell stated that the Crystal can affect and absorb memories all around the land, including the people, plants, and even the concept of the land itself (though here I think it leans more toward the conceptual view of the land)


3. Keltoi is also threatening to create a new world using Memories as its base

The point is Memories exist everywhere even something like land, and or non living object, they can also made a reality from memories that can be altered like "data" in a program, like Keltoi who threaten to wiped out the world creating a new one akin to completely erasing a program to create a new one.

But of course, if more evidence or confirmation is needed, I can still gather more for it.

(Tbh I need more explanation on "data" and "made up reality" here).

 

[HakutoRei000]

Bump of uncertainty

 

[Vietthai96]

You need to put translation in your scan. Anyway is there any proof that Memories is some kind of data/information? This is important to determine wherever memories is info 2 or not, cause memories can be abstract

 

[HakutoRei000]

You need to put translation in your scan. Anyway is there any proof that Memories is some kind of data/information? This is important to determine wherever memories is info 2 or not, cause memories can be abstract

There's the scan talking about Crystal, the memories is used to create a reality of the past. It can also be used to recreate the world in a universal scale.

 

[Vietthai96]

There's the scan talking about Crystal, the memories is used to create a reality of the past. It can also be used to recreate the world in a universal scale.

Bro, the issue is, memories is data/information or not?

 

[HakutoRei000]

Bro, the issue is, memories is data/information or not?

Sorry goat, it's information.

 

[Vietthai96]

Sorry goat, it's information.

Proof?

 

[HakutoRei000]

Proof?

Here
Also my imgur got banned for a while idk what happen so I use online uploader :

1. “What I obtained is the power that governs memories. Giving memories or taking them away, all of it is at my whim.”

2. “With this power, I will absorb all memories of this corrupted world and return this tainted world to nothingness!”

Memories exist everywhere, it can be absorbed.

The memories are something that exist everywhere and when altered it can also changed the reality on a scale.

“By also taking in the memories engraved into the land that were absorbed by the monument stone, power greater than before wells up.”

So they like information that land, people, animals, plants, has that can be manipulated to be changed to something else, such as when they manipulate memories to alter history of the world.

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[Vietthai96]

Bro, you need straight-forward statement that memories is data or information, because memories can be abstract, there is no default assumption to what memories actually is. Altering reality can be done through a lot of abilities, not strictly info 2

 

[HakutoRei000]

Bro, you need straight-forward statement that memories is data or information, because memories can be abstract, there is no default assumption to what memories actually is. Altering reality can be done through a lot of abilities, not strictly info 2

Is something like "Record of the land/history/world" enough?

 

[Vietthai96]

Is something like "Record of the land/history/world" enough?

Show me

 

[HakutoRei000]

Show me

1. “So it’s something like a Pillar of Memory?”
“You touched this pillar and saw the concept of this land.”

2. “It refers to land whose memories have been sucked up by the Memory Monument Stone. It is the entire history from the past up to the present.”

3. “With my power, I enter the land’s memories through the Pillar of Memory. There, I correct the corrupted memories.”

4. “As a Holy Servant who protects the Memory Box, one of my duties is also post-processing work to correct history.”

5. “The illusion you saw is already the memory of this land that has been absorbed. Even if the Memory Monument Stone is removed, the absorbed memories will not return.”

Here plz ask more evidence for I will find it if I can

 

[Vietthai96]

I didn't see any "record" namedrop

 

[HakutoRei000]

I didn't see any "record" namedrop

I mean it's implying it? I don't know if I have to really name-drop those keywords, do I really have to show it?

 

[Vietthai96]

I mean it's implying it? I don't know if I have to really name-drop those keywords, do I really have to show it?

Yeah, you need to namedrop it because information is a very specific thing, unlike abstractions which is broad

 

[HakutoRei000]

Yeah, you need to namedrop it because information is a very specific thing, unlike abstractions which is broad

Well maybe I can find it, but while you're at it, mind telling some other abilities that may been presented? CM type 2? Reality warping?

 

[Vietthai96]

Well maybe I can find it, but while you're at it, mind telling some other abilities that may been presented? CM type 2? Reality warping?

Reality Warping is oke

I think Possibly CM2 is oke

 

[HakutoRei000]

Reality Warping is oke

I think Possibly CM2 is oke

Well I'm not gonna push further anyway, need more information it seems but I do have some merits from it no?, well counting the reality warping and possibly CM type 2 then

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Yeah, as Viett stated, memories have no real default.

So this would be Reality Warping via Memory Manipulation & Conceptual Manipulation Type 3, since unalaborated concepts that aren't universal are assumed to be Type 3.

 

[HakutoRei000]

Yeah, as Viett stated, memories have no real default.

So this would be Reality Warping via Memory Manipulation & Conceptual Manipulation Type 3, since unalaborated concepts that aren't universal are assumed to be Type 3.

For CM would you take possibly type 2? Since world here refer to the universe.

The rest is fine for me for now.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

For CM would you take possibly type 2? Since world here refer to the universe.

The rest is fine for me for now.

Concept of Land = Concept of Universe?

 

[HakutoRei000]

Concept of Land = Concept of Universe?

Concept of world, I refer to Keltoi who might wiped the world via memories.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Concept of world, I refer to Keltoi who might wiped the world via memories.

The only reason I brought it up was because of the mention that it affected the concept of land. Memories and concepts seem to be separate, so if you want to get CM through memories, you need to prove that memories are concepts.

 

[HakutoRei000]

The only reason I brought it up was because of the mention that it affected the concept of land. Memories and concepts seem to be separate, so if you want to get CM through memories, you need to prove that memories are concepts.

Hmm, how do I prove something is a concept? Do I need direct statement?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Hmm, how do I prove something is a concept? Do I need direct statement?

Direct statements are easiest.

Doing it any other way requires a lot of evidence.

 

[HakutoRei000]

Direct statements are easiest.

Doing it any other way requires a lot of evidence.

Eh, cm3 are fine, so can I close this? Or do I need Viett or the other to chip in?.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Eh, cm3 are fine, so can I close this? Or do I need Viett or the other to chip in?.

There's a 48 Hour Grace Period before a CRT can be closed.

But also, yeah, @Vietthai96 needs to agree to CM Type 3.

 

[HakutoRei000]

There's a 48 Hour Grace Period before a CRT can be closed.

But also, yeah, @Vietthai96 needs to agree to CM Type 3.

Alr I wait for him then, thank you for commenting

 

[Vietthai96]

But also, yeah, @Vietthai96 needs to agree to CM Type 3.

CM3 is oke

 

[HakutoRei000]

CM3 is oke

Alright is done then thank you!