Iron Man Model 51 (Model Prime)

[Antvasima]

Yes. We have to go by consistent portrayals of comparative power levels, in lack of better options.

 

[Asyulus]

Considering She-Hulk is High 5-A, I don't see how it is PIS. PIS happens when the bad guy needs to be defeated. And Model 51 is to be upgraded in the same tier level.

What's PIS is when he fights a Tier 4 or higher character, like most people said in this topic.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Yeah, basically. The ideal is to look over a lot of feats, not do a google image search and get single pages (Not saying you did that).

Whenever I find a Marvel or DC feat, I always try to figure out the issue they come from to take a look at the full scene, because that type of stuff can be very misleading. If I was dishonest, I could take a lot of single pages from the Wonder Man fights I linked to say that he's Thor or Hulk level, leaving out the fact that he's generally weaker than both and often one-shot.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Considering She-Hulk is High 5-A, I don't see how it is PIS. PIS happens when the bad guy needs to be defeated. And Model 51 is to be upgraded in the same tier level.
What's PIS is when he fights a Tier 4 or higher character, like most people said in this topic.

Neither of those scans are the Model 51 though

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The second scan is from a 70s comics. She was far weaker and generally a more comedic / satirical character back then.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, she was not comedic originally (that came later), but definitely far weaker.

 

[Asyulus]

The problem is the same thing happened in DC Comics. Post-Flashpoint Aquama is 5-A just because he fought against Wonder Woman, Superman and Martian Manhunter, without even posting a single scan of the full fight. It's PIS for sure and Aquaman is generally portrayed weaker than them since he never defeated them in a fight. The same goes to Cyborg (Post-Flashpoint).

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

... What a complete false equivalency.

Firstly, Aquaman is almost always stated to be one of the strongest members of the Justice League / strongest people of Earth, and he's generally portrayed as physically stronger than Green Lanterns though weaker than Supes . And his Trident of Poseidon is literally the weapon of the Olympian God Poseidon and is always portrayed as capable of piercing Kryptonian skin.

As for Cyborg... In Post-Flashpoint he's a founding member of the Justice League who's fought with them against their hardest opponents and held his own. He's not a Teen Hero in the New 52, but rather one of the main ones.

Meanwhile you post two pages, one from when She-Hulk was weaker, and want to use that to scale.

I'm sorry, but no.

 

[Asyulus]

Good explanation. Thanks for the information.

Aquaman's trident is magical/of divine origin which is Superman's (kryptonian skin) weakness though.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I don't think it's Magical, more like Divine in origin (Unless that counts as magic). Anyways, Shazam is literally supposed to be 100% equal to Superman and is powered-up by magic, but he can't stomp Superman.

 

[Asyulus]

Back to the topic,

Attack Potency: At least Dwarf Star level (Has all of Iron Man armors merged into this)

Same goes for durability. Agree?

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, that seems fine. Striking strength as well, of course.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Not at least, just Dwarf Star level.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, sorry. I overlooked that part.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Im currently working on adding the stats to the profile as well as doing a little tidying up, should be done in a few minutes.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Im currently working on adding the stats to the profile as well as doing a little tidying up, should be done in a few minutes.

Thank you.

 

[Asyulus]

Should we close this thread now after upgrades have been implemented?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Alright, thats the new key added, new powers added, cleaned up a little bit, and fixed up the rendering on the Hulkbuster pic. We're good to go for now unless anyone has anything to add.

 

[Newendigo]

Nice.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the help.

 

[Asyulus]

You forgot to add an "(" in Model 51's AP indication.

 

[Asyulus]

Nothing to discuss furthur. Close this?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Seems concluded.