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Invincible Season 4 General Discussion Thread

Nolan moving a planet isn't even a statement. He mentions the "planet was moved" . No mention of how, how long it took, the team size, any use of technology. Nothing. Plus on-screen story literally contradicts this feat with him struggling to hold up a ship. Meaning most likely he moved the planet through other means.
Man I wonder how the Superman-lite beings that are feared across the universe due to their immense strength moved a planet 🤔

Like, if they had a tractor beam capable of doing that pretty sure we would've seen technology of that level by now. In fact, would've been pretty useful this last episode lol
 
Allen doesn't like normal foot soldier blaster fire. I don't see much in pointing out that Viltrumites dodge attacks from time to time.

Ignoring the whole low tier ship with planet rending missiles for a second, it never tracked that Talescria wasn't slammed into from all sides by the Viltrumites. There's nothing that could be done if planet itself was being broken apart from all sides. The planet would be heavily damaged before the cavalry arrive and catch enough of the lone Viltrumites to have them retreat.
 
Kirkman probably wanted to give them a big teamup/Avengers scene before we get the true teamup in Ep 7/8 and Kirkman hates powerscaling, so yes by all means it should be an outlier
Also if we really wanna get annoying Viltrum materials are clearly just cracked for what ever reason
 
Ignoring the whole low tier ship with planet rending missiles for a second, it never tracked that Talescria wasn't slammed into from all sides by the Viltrumites. There's nothing that could be done if planet itself was being broken apart from all sides. The planet would be heavily damaged before the cavalry arrive and catch enough of the lone Viltrumites to have them retreat
While the Flaxan rush was cool in the show, it raises a rather massive issue: Why don't all Viltrumites just do it?

Like in this episode Thragg wanted to destroy the planet to break the Coalition's will. Having six Viltrumites just replicate the Flaxan rush would do infinitely more to help that than what they did.

The Invincible TV Show just falls into the same pitfall as any comic adapted medium, where their best feats are statements or one off showings, which messes with their average showings throughout the show. For every "I diverted a meteor the size of Texas" statement there's a "Random jabroni harms a Viltrumite" showing.

Sorta reminds me of the Holdo Maneuver from Star Wars. As soon as you acknowledge that this was possible, every previous instance where it wasn't done is now a glaring plot hole.
 
I always saw the Flaxan rush as a timelapse of the eight months because of how much time Nolan spent there.

Maybe they have high amounts of Methane in their atmosphere of something.
 
So from what I'm seeing in the current profiles, Mark's moon jump feat is where Mark is getting his highest High 6-A stats from, but doesn't he get Class Y from that same calc? Shouldn't that be reflected in his profile?
Done, though I would hold on the LS upgrades from this, as even Tech Jacket's Class P upgrade faced a lot of scrutiny for a clear cut throw while TV Mark is not even pushing anything.
LS is more strict now and needs to be a continuous action/show effort rather than something snappy to count
 
Why don't all Viltrumites just do it?
It's not shown well but it took months. Even if its just two but Nolan might have lied about Mark being out for 2 months. Nolan and even Mark grew a beard in 2 months ep 6, he also had a beard when he finished the Flaxan rush
 
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Honestly it's just a bunch of mumbo jumbo. Unless Viltrum has a solid core. Even then if collision with the core can kill them, so should collision with the surface.

That whole feat dicey. Also didn't Space Racer destroy a Star ? Tf are these three Viltrumites even needed for.

Easiest winning plan ever. Use a telescope and machines to help space racer aim for Viltrum from far away. Let Thragg get everyone on the planet. Then shoot.

Like a fish in a barrel. One shot, all killed.
 
So shouldn't the scaling be more "at full speed L5B" than regularly L5B?
 
So we're coming up on it soon, and I'm wondering what it means for scaling if they could've died on impact if the core stabilized.
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I'm really hoping for some show specific explanation for this, because besides being an inconsistency it also has the potential for more world building. We see that the races viltrumites have enslaved were moving boxes on viltrum in the flashback, what if it was established they were mining? If it was established that the core was solid and that viltrumites mine the core of their planet to make their weapons and technology it would solve so many problems. Like we see several viltrumites use metal weapons to fight, such as Thula's blade or Conquests arm. Establishing a canonical reason why viltrumites struggle to break out of metal cuffs and break metal arms would be an amazing show addition that explains so many inconsistencies away.
 
So shouldn't the scaling be more "at full speed L5B" than regularly L5B?
They didn't take any visible damage performing the Viltrum bust and other Viltrumites can bloody them or worse, so every relevant Viltrumite would just be chain scaled to Low 5-B regardless.
Well how's it handled for comic scaling I mean. What tier does this put them below if they'd die to the core?
It'd cap them at like 7-A lol. That would be a horrendous outlier so we just use it as emphasis that the feat was high diff and like the peak of what they could perform.
Honestly it's just a bunch of mumbo jumbo. Unless Viltrum has a solid core. Even then if collision with the core can kill them, so should collision with the surface.

That whole feat dicey. Also didn't Space Racer destroy a Star ? Tf are these three Viltrumites even needed for.

Easiest winning plan ever. Use a telescope and machines to help space racer aim for Viltrum from far away. Let Thragg get everyone on the planet. Then shoot.

Like a fish in a barrel. One shot, all killed.
In the comics Thaedus states that all the infinity ray could do is destabilize the core so the intent was that the Viltrumites were needed.
 
They didn't take any visible damage performing the Viltrum bust and other Viltrumites can bloody them or worse, so every relevant Viltrumite would just be chain scaled to Low 5-B regardless.
Well yeah cuz the core didn't stabilize. I'm asking about the fact he says they'd die if it did.
 
Also is it me or are Viltrumites kinda stupid. So the garbage ship liks Venture has proton missiles than can destroy a solar disk, but these guys and their massive cruiser lacks any large scale damage options ?
Everyone in the show is stupid.
 
Nolan moving a planet isn't even a statement. He mentions the "planet was moved" . No mention of how, how long it took, the team size, any use of technology. Nothing. Plus on-screen story literally contradicts this feat with him struggling to hold up a ship. Meaning most likely he moved the planet through other means.
You don't need a timeframe to quantify the feat FWIW. The kinetic energy derived from the orbital velocity of the planet should be fine. Several profiles use it for feats of knocking the moon out of orbit that aren't elaborated upon for example.
 
You don't need a timeframe to quantify the feat FWIW. The kinetic energy derived from the orbital velocity of the planet should be fine. Several profiles use it for feats of knocking the moon out of orbit that aren't elaborated upon for example.
The thin is also that ultimately planets are big. Even deflecting a planet, where it retains most of it's linear kinetic energy, still requires a lot of force.
  • Work(net) = Kinetic Energy = (0.5 * Mass * Final Velocity^2) - (0.5 * Mass * Initial Velocity^2)
  • Work(net) = KE = (0.5 * 5.972e+24 Kg * 20,000 m/s^2) - (0.5 * 5.972e+24 Kg * 29,780 m/s^2)
  • Work(net) = KE = -1.4537293e+33
  • Final Value is = 1.1944000224e+33 Joules
There's virtually no value you can get that matches the scene, unless it's 5-B to Low 5-B. For it to be Tier 6, the orbit alteration would be too minor to cause any massive climate events as shown in the show.

Now, is it consistent? Not sure, since we still have to see the Viltrum feat, but ultimately it's going to be a Tier 5 statement. Even a planet like Mercury or a Dwarf Planet like Pluto still gets Tier 5, as far as I am aware.
 
The other factors still remain. Manpower and tech. Also couldn't it be knocked out of orbit with several consistent pushes ? Just asking, not exactly a expert in celestial body relocation.
You don't need a timeframe to quantify the feat FWIW. The kinetic energy derived from the orbital velocity of the planet should be fine. Several profiles use it for feats of knocking the moon out of orbit that aren't elaborated upon for example.
 
Btw how we feeling about the production quality ? The png drag is still very much there.

And the quality is..oof. Also while I have no problem with Thragg's voice, his face on the other hand...bro looks like cutie patootie.

He literally looks like he is about to cry. Invincible destroying the ship was also mostly png drag. Infact I am pissed off, so I try to see if I can do it better.

Not much complex animation so possible to finish before May. Then again..
 
Btw how we feeling about the production quality ? The png drag is still very much there.

And the quality is..oof. Also while I have no problem with Thragg's voice, his face on the other hand...bro looks like cutie patootie.

He literally looks like he is about to cry. Invincible destroying the ship was also mostly png drag. Infact I am pissed off, so I try to see if I can do it better.

Not much complex animation so possible to finish before May. Then again..
Thragg's voice is the main issue personally. It's a small thing though, just have to get used to it more.
 
Thragg's voice is the main issue personally. It's a small thing though, just have to get used to it more.
It does feel a little weird. Like his enemies are J.K Simmons and Peter Cullen, his voice is like not intimidating enough against these two.

This is that habit of getting celebrity actors biting them back in the ass. Although Ron Perlman would have been best choice.
 
The other factors still remain. Manpower and tech.
Nolan's words are, verbatim, "that's what happens when you move a planet closer to its star", with him floating as one of the creatures dies, and he's alone. Neither tech nor additional manpower are implied by the scene, so the most logical interpretation of what the show is trying to say is that Nolan did it by himself.

Whether or not it's consistent is a different thing that would require a complete survey of the feats and antifeats involved, given how much the show flirts with things being inconsistent (which seems to be on purpose, given that the comic did not have as many issues with this)
Also couldn't it be knocked out of orbit with several consistent pushes ? Just asking, not exactly a expert in celestial body relocation.
That doesn't change the amount of energy required.
Btw how we feeling about the production quality ? The png drag is still very much there.
I've accepted Invincible is a horribly mismanaged show already. Thragg's face isn't really a problem, nor his voice; I think the softer features worked for the part of the comic the art director worked on (at least I think that's the case, Invincible went through a few artists if I recall). But the quality of animation saddens me a lot because Invincible is a comic that I believe really lends itself for an animated adaptation.
 
Thragg's voice is the main issue personally. It's a small thing though, just have to get used to it more.
No, his design is. His voice is perfectly fine for who he is, its just that people expected him to sound even more savage than Conquest or some sh, and for some reason they still do. Believe it or not, most of his screentime or.. page time? in the comics, he isn't even fighting.
 
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Now to be fair, Thragg is definitely worse than Conquest or any viltrumite by orders of magnitude, considering that he conquered Thraxa and raped all the females there so he could have hybrid thraxans in the thousends, then used them as objects to throw against Mark.At least Conquest is actually loyal to the empire and respects his enemies...in his way, Thragg only cares for himself
 
I've accepted Invincible is a horribly mismanaged show already. Thragg's face isn't really a problem, nor his voice; I think the softer features worked for the part of the comic the art director worked on (at least I think that's the case, Invincible went through a few artists if I recall). But the quality of animation saddens me a lot because Invincible is a comic that I believe really lends itself for an animated adaptation.
As a side note, this really bums me. These two videos pretty much summarize how I feel about the show's overall art direction. Worst part is that there aren't that many other events left where it'd make sense to go all out with the animation.

Long time ago I figured the last flaxan invasion wouldn't be as bombastic as the comic, and seeing how they've handled the scale/scope of the viltrumite war I'm just bracing for impact, which saddens me because it's legit one of my favourite parts of the comic as in that precise moment it really felt like a through and through superhero universe.
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And I'm not even asking for anime-level animation, but every time we panned back to the war it should've looked at least as chaotic as this
 
seeing how they've handled the scale/scope of the viltrumite war
We haven't seen most of the viltrumite war, and how the already existing parts have been animated, is fine. Comics are one panel per action while in an animated show, an action is almost a whole ten seconds at least. It logically can't look the same. Talescria lowk looks better in the show than in the comics, and most animated parts with a few exceptions do as well. Don't call me a glazer because I criticized the animation too when it didn't look good, see my comment about Thragg above.
 
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