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Invincible Season 4 General Discussion Thread
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It's truly pathetic on Kirkman's part. Especially considering the show's characters have already surpassed the original.By the way, a couple of months Kirkman said something that could back up the planet shifting thing.
'Invincible' Creator Has Settled the Superman vs. Omni-Man vs. Homelander Debate: "Superman Sucks" [Exclusive]
Invincible creator Robert Kirkman has settled the debate between Superman, Homelander, and Omni-Man with a bold declaration about DC's golden boy.collider.com
"Well, Homelander is a weakling. And that's not any kind of antagonistic thing. It's a very grounded world, and so Homelander, on the scale of other superheroes, is very low. But Superman sucks. Omni-Man takes him down easily. I've said this before. Every time I say it, a bunch of Superman fans, if you can believe there is such a thing, come out of the woodwork and attack me online as if I said something that's not definitively and indisputably true. But Omni-Man would completely trash that guy. Superman, 'Oh my gosh, in the golden age, he moved planets.' Okay, whatever. Who knows if Omni-Man could do that? Maybe he could. Maybe pay attention to Season 4. Who knows? But, yeah, I think that Superman is absolute trash."
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I know I sort of complain about viltrumites and co. getting all the attention, but man when are they adding Conquest and Tech Jacket ? How many slots are left ?
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I think that leaves one more character for the base roster, plus at least 4 DLC slots.
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Would people have bought Dupli-Kate as DLC?
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I'd be fine with her not being featured at all
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I mean I think a rocket launcher could work for Killcanon's projectiles
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it's probably too far from any real weapon to be usable although you could probably calc the speed of her creations based on her creating them at the same time an explosion is detonating
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On a similar note, would Rex Splode getting away from his point-blank explosion yield anything ?
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So Invincible now has it's own version of Marvel's various Cosmos. Cool
Also they say Volcanikka can split the planet in half and Mark one-shots her.inb4 "hyperbole"
Also they say Volcanikka can split the planet in half and Mark one-shots her.
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Okay explain this please
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Episode 4 felt really dragged out. 4/10 episode.
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Well, it is consistent with planetary Invincible characters
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Well that was definitely one of the weaker episodes.
Anyway someone can add back TV Invincible's Acrobatics
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Over which scene ?
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Yeah, episode 4 is definitely the weakest one so far, nice worldbuilding data about the origin of the Kaijus that appear during the show, so, do the Flaxans have enough material to do a page for them now?
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It gave me major tonal whiplash on the usage of "subverting expectations". Also it might be me being pedantic but Daiman going from demon detective that cools the room with his presence to just another melee fighter, irked me tbh.
Definitely the weakest episode this season but I didn't hate it, whatever future ark Daiman gets in the show I hope it gets better.
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I would've like a joke where Marks asked Daiman "Weren't you a detective. How in the... where we are, do you know how to fight?"
"I was fired"
"... oh"
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They say
"Should have waited. Tried conjuring spell once more."
"You would have waited until b- cracks planet in half. Never took you for coward brother."
"You would have waited until b- cracks planet in half. Never took you for coward brother."
Later on, they mention the war between Demons and the Vile as threatening the Earth with destruction, but that was over the course of an "Eons" long war and was likely talking about the living areas to be destroyed.
But the plot of the episode is a precursor to the comic issue where Dr. Sesimic and Volcanikka. Where they just summoned a bunch of hell monsters to attack the world, and Robot stops them, something that Daemon mentions as being her plan.
Having said that, her tunneling to the surface could yield something I guess, considering how deep it is. Though the episode also suggests that Invincible would die from tunnelling out of Hell, which is just a direct contradiction to a Low 5-B rating.
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Also, bro Invincible got damaged again. Bro's durability to so inconsistent.
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He should change his name
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I thought the implication there was that it would take him so long he'd die of age, which also wouldn't make sense if it was just some place very deep underground, but come on it's pretty much another dimension, Darkblood says demons are older than time itself
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Son, let me get this straight. Demons have existed atleast since before humans came. So at minimum 300,000 years.
If not a 60+ million years if counting the evolution from the start. Hell Damian calls his armor older than time so could be billions of years. Yet....what a ******* weakling species.
Their technology ? Ass. Let's leave the aliens out of this, even Rudy and GDA has better tech and we were poking each other with sharp sticks a few thousand years ago.
Their magic ? Absolute disgrace. Pathetic. Weak sauce. A random witch can curse Amanda into becoming Temu Hulk.
A Chinese mafia boss can Astral project a freaking Dragon and put belt to ass on Season 3 Mark who has already fought Viltrumite veterans such as Thula and has reached near Omniman levels of power.
The Satan, the dark lord from the fourth age who has lived for millions of years is a ******* clown at full power. What the **** were these guys even doing for so long. And why are there only five demons ?
And why is hell the size of a local shopping mall.
If not a 60+ million years if counting the evolution from the start. Hell Damian calls his armor older than time so could be billions of years. Yet....what a ******* weakling species.
Their technology ? Ass. Let's leave the aliens out of this, even Rudy and GDA has better tech and we were poking each other with sharp sticks a few thousand years ago.
Their magic ? Absolute disgrace. Pathetic. Weak sauce. A random witch can curse Amanda into becoming Temu Hulk.
A Chinese mafia boss can Astral project a freaking Dragon and put belt to ass on Season 3 Mark who has already fought Viltrumite veterans such as Thula and has reached near Omniman levels of power.
The Satan, the dark lord from the fourth age who has lived for millions of years is a ******* clown at full power. What the **** were these guys even doing for so long. And why are there only five demons ?
And why is hell the size of a local shopping mall.
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No it's said clearly it's physical on Earth underground. Mark would just die of exhaustion trying to fly out.
Which tracks Considering what comes later
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Tbh I kinda agree with your points but Invincible is already well known for it's awful (potentially intentional given Kirkman's past comments) powerscaling, even in casual communities.
Like I said above, I suspect intentional "subverting expectations" at work with demons just being another humanoid race that lives underground, Satan being yet another brick in a fight (despite being able teleport and heal others in a weakened state) plus he isn't even evil, the clear bait and switch with the implications of what "vessel" ment plus Kirkman straight up saying Invincible will fight the devil yet he doesn't (at least not in this season), the meta humour jab at the MCU, etc.
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No way Mark just casually suggests something that would get him killed, for all the slander his characters gets he isn't someone to brag about his abilities and should have a good idea of what he's capable of. There's definitely something up about physically trying to get out of hell beyond pure strength
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Mark is the same idiot who thought the trip to mars would be a overnight trip and doesn't know the geography on his own country. His intelligence being average to below average is pretty consistent. We know for a fact hell is physically underground and you can fly out. Damian specifically points out it's a issue of stamina.
Mark - "So this place is just deep inside the earth ?"
Damian - "Yes"
Mark - "So if I wanted to leave, I just fly up ?"
Damian - "Most likely would tire before reaching surface. Probably die."
So yes it's a stamina limitation. Hell is physically on Earth like Hollow Earth from monster verse. And this actually fits perfectly within the comic's narrative.
Mark needs Nolan and Thadeus along with Space racer's beam on a precise timing to not die while going through Viltrum, Which is infact a highly limiting factor for that feat when you consider the size of holes the infinity ray leaves behind meant the viltrumite trio had minimum resitance while going through the planet. Hell we don't even know if Viltrum's core was liquid.
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To be fair in the big 2026 "good guy demons" aren't a subversion, they are the trope. So much so that Frieren having the classic "completely evil on a biological level" demons is considered fresh and far more interesting to analyze.
The helmet joke was fine but could have done that with tech jacket and nothing would have changed. My main complain is that it's straight up both nonsensical and really boring. Hell is just the standard template hell and that's really underwhelming after the awesome environment designs featured in Episode 2. I honestly don't care about any other demon besides Damian.
The villain was...shit. Volcanikka has a cool design, very Flame Atronach from Elder scrolls. But she yaps a lot, for some reason runs away despite being immortal. Maybe just wait for 5 more seconds until the beast strong enough to harm Mark comes out and then 2v1 him ? It was just.. unnecessary.
I wouldn't complain about this in other shows, but other shows don't have the dogshit production of invincible.
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Basically, Hellaverse version of "Satan" is better
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So that confirms Conquest is the final character in the base roster, and Universa and Immortal are both part of the year 1 DLC, leaving two year 1 DLC slots unaccounted for. I'd be surprised if one of those slots wasn't for Angstrom Levy.
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Tunnelling through Earth with a human-sized hole is like city level
Mark sub-city level?
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This show really does have ******* garbage powerscaling
Comic was pretty trash in that regard too (what with all relative characters goring each other consistently), but not to this extent
Comic was pretty trash in that regard too (what with all relative characters goring each other consistently), but not to this extent
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I highly doubt the author sat down and did a pulverization calc. And honestly city level isn't far off if we left the calculations behind for just visual power scaling. The big dawg feats that get Invincible to such a high tier can actually be explained away while keeping the characters city level.
First tech jacket throwing the ship into the sun. The entire calc relies upon the matter in the sun being actually displaced. But what if it was just a cartoonish way to show that the ship had indeed gone into the sun. I doubt the artist was thinking about Photosphere mass ejection when drawing a silly simplified panel.
Second, the famous viltrumite planet destruction feat. So the infinity ray can destroy a star right ? So wtf did the 3 viltrumite bums even accomplish here ? Why didn't Space Racer do a drive by cartel shootout on viltrum and take the W ? Considering literally no one, not even Thragg scales to the Infinity Ray as it would no diff him, really what's the power distribution of the feat ? 1:9999 for the trio ? Yeah really shaky grounds for the so called defining feat of the verse.
And finally Thragg's statement of 37 viltrumites,
Kirkman, who is constantly trying to dick ride Omniman into beating Superman, wrote a pretty weak sauce case file against the goat.
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You misunderstand my post. I am telling you the artist perspective on why Mark not being able to fly out of earth makes sense and is consistent to them.You may as well disregard the hobby as a whole
The production team aren't power scalers.
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That Tech Jacket calc is legitimately hilarious. Multi-Stellar for throwing a ship into the Sun... alright
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