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Invincible: 5-A Upgrade

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It was rejected for some reason
We don't know how he accomplished this feat.

Did he stop it with one hand casually? Did it take him a few seconds with both hand? Did it take him dozens of seconds like Mark did to the asteroid he stopped? Did he even stop it at all, could it be possible he redirected it so it was no longer a threat to Earth?

All we know is that he diverted an asteroid the sizes of Texas. We can't say anything about how he stopped it without making a baseless assumptions.
 
We don't know how he accomplished this feat.

Did he stop it with one hand casually? Did it take him a few seconds with both hand? Did it take him dozens of seconds like Mark did to the asteroid he stopped? Did he even stop it at all, could it be possible he redirected it so it was no longer a threat to Earth?

All we know is that he diverted an asteroid the sizes of Texas. We can't say anything about how he stopped it without making a baseless assumptions.

literally take as little as possible, and just assume it was the same thing Mark did, not just say "yeah uselesss"
 
I agree with this CRT, and I believe logical evidence to prove X are as valid as empirical evidence, like we don't need a spoonfeeding statement to say a fish is a fish
 
I think chariot makes the most sense here given everything and every example he has said regarding to astrophysics while citing real world examples on why the Roche Limit, Density and Gravity do not corrlate to a larger planet necessarily.

Personally would not mind if Invincible escaped 5B hell and gets a higher tier.
 
We don't know how he accomplished this feat.

Did he stop it with one hand casually? Did it take him a few seconds with both hand? Did it take him dozens of seconds like Mark did to the asteroid he stopped? Did he even stop it at all, could it be possible he redirected it so it was no longer a threat to Earth?

All we know is that he diverted an asteroid the sizes of Texas. We can't say anything about how he stopped it without making a baseless assumptions.
Neither of these assumptions in their own right would significantly subtract the result
 
You know, with the claims of Agenda and Bias, and Steven Universe being thrown around... Yeah 9/10 that means that this thread is agenda'd and thus leads me to disagree because astrophysics is a funny thing.
ReaparMan is chaos incarnate. LMAO
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i was expecting a upgrade from the tv series universe for Omni man mentioning the feat of stopping a asteroid the size of texas
I think that one is just us waiting for more consistently moon - planet level showings
 
Would like to formally apologize for my behavior earlier on in this thread, where I unneccesarily attacked a few people just for agreeing with Chariot, as well as attacking Chariot himself. Extremely immature of me to do, especially after nobody was at all being rude or condescending except for me, yet I kept projecting this immaturity onto others, especially Chariot.

@Chariot190 @Da3ggman @Soupywolf5 @Shadyboi0, @Excellence616 @Dalesean027 is who this is directed to. I know I DM'd an apology to a few of you in DMs, but I felt it neccessary to clear the air here too.
 
Would like to formally apologize for my behavior earlier on in this thread, where I unneccesarily attacked a few people just for agreeing with Chariot, as well as attacking Chariot himself. Extremely immature of me to do, especially after nobody was at all being rude or condescending except for me, yet I kept projecting this immaturity onto others, especially Chariot.

@Chariot190 @Da3ggman @Soupywolf5 @Shadyboi0, @Excellence616 @Dalesean027 is who this is directed to. I know I DM'd an apology to a few of you in DMs, but I felt it neccessary to clear the air here too.
You cool man, we all have days like that.
 
Aside from a lot of the wildly baseless assertions and errors made that I can address at another time (since this post is piss-long), I’ll reply to the part that mainly concerns me;
Secondly, the original calc uses the density of rock for the mass being ejected instead of the density of the Planet. Even just assuming Viltrum is as dense as Earth (which is clearly not the case for reasons listed both above and shortly below), the density value that should be used should be 5514 kg/m^3, Earth's density. The mass being ejected from Viltrum are pieces of the Planet itself, parts of it's volume, not just one part of the Planet composed of one specific material. Therefore, using the Planet's average density makes much more sense to me.
I used the density of bedrock, which encompasses the whole first layer of Earth (crust), all of which relates to peeled off mass that I calculated the KE of. Using Earth’s mean density is completely nonsensical, since this MEAN is derived from taking into account all layers, including the Earth’s core. The ejected mass from the bottom is solely from the crust. Unless you can viably prove the majority of it is from the other layers; not only that, but evenly distributed between them to have a mean density of 5514kg/m³. I doubt there’s any one part of the planet (in any of the layers) that’s exactly 5514kg/m³, which makes your usage of it even more redundant than it already was.

Again, if no one else would like to address the rest of this post, I could at a later date. Most of the WoG stuff here is what I found initially and outsourced to this dude on CV, so I might find it easier to refute some of them.
 
Aside from a lot of the wildly baseless assertions and errors made that I can address at another time (since this post is piss-long), I’ll reply to the part that mainly concerns me;

I used the density of bedrock, which encompasses the whole first layer of Earth (crust), all of which relates to peeled off mass that I calculated the KE of. Using Earth’s mean density is completely nonsensical, since this MEAN is derived from taking into account all layers, including the Earth’s core. The ejected mass from the bottom is solely from the crust. Unless you can viably prove the majority of it is from the other layers; not only that, but evenly distributed between them to have a mean density of 5514kg/m³. I doubt there’s any one part of the planet (in any of the layers) that’s exactly 5514kg/m³, which makes your usage of it even more redundant than it already was.

Again, if no one else would like to address the rest of this post, I could at a later date. Most of the WoG stuff here is what I found initially and outsourced to this dude on CV, so I might find it easier to refute some of them.
Chariot190 essentially addressed most of the post in enough detail. I still think Viltrum being larger than Earth is not entirely without basis, but I do see now that there's no real way of quantifying it being anything beyond an Earth-sized diameter based off of actual stated information. Again, I already said I believe this can be closed now.

Also, the chunk of the Earth they tore through went through was hit through the deepest part of the Planet, which was my basis for using Earth density.

I also did a lil funni calc on Discord using the scans with Viltrum being comparable in size to it's Sun despite possibly being millions of KM away just for fun, which got Viltrum to over 58,000,000 km. I used the distance from Mercury to the Sun for that. Genuinely curious on what you guys think of that.
 
Chariot190 essentially addressed most of the post in enough detail. I still think Viltrum being larger than Earth is not entirely without basis, but I do see now that there's no real way of quantifying it being anything beyond an Earth-sized diameter based off of actual stated information. Again, I already said I believe this can be closed now.

Also, the chunk of the Earth they tore through went through was hit through the deepest part of the Planet, which was my basis for using Earth density.

I also did a lil funni calc on Discord using the scans with Viltrum being comparable in size to it's Sun despite possibly being millions of KM away just for fun, which got Viltrum to over 58,000,000 km. I used the distance from Mercury to the Sun for that. Genuinely curious on what you guys think of that.
Please don't tell us it's this one here

That's the same dumb stuff some DB fans use to upscale Planet Vegeta's size, let's not do that here : P
 
Aside from a lot of the wildly baseless assertions and errors made that I can address at another time (since this post is piss-long), I’ll reply to the part that mainly concerns me;

I used the density of bedrock, which encompasses the whole first layer of Earth (crust), all of which relates to peeled off mass that I calculated the KE of. Using Earth’s mean density is completely nonsensical, since this MEAN is derived from taking into account all layers, including the Earth’s core. The ejected mass from the bottom is solely from the crust. Unless you can viably prove the majority of it is from the other layers; not only that, but evenly distributed between them to have a mean density of 5514kg/m³. I doubt there’s any one part of the planet (in any of the layers) that’s exactly 5514kg/m³, which makes your usage of it even more redundant than it already was.

Again, if no one else would like to address the rest of this post, I could at a later date. Most of the WoG stuff here is what I found initially and outsourced to this dude on CV, so I might find it easier to refute some of them.
Also, dude I asked you something in the Invincible general discussion, could you check that real quick ? 🙏
 
Please don't tell us it's this one here

That's the same dumb stuff some DB fans use to upscale Planet Vegeta's size, let's not do that here : P
It's not that one specifically, no, but it's something similar. As I said, it was done purely for fun and curiosity and nothing else. I did end up getting the Viltrum Bust to High 4-C based off of it too.

Also, what exactly is wrong with the Planet Vegeta size calcs?
 
Chariot190 essentially addressed most of the post in enough detail. I still think Viltrum being larger than Earth is not entirely without basis, but I do see now that there's no real way of quantifying it being anything beyond an Earth-sized diameter based off of actual stated information. Again, I already said I believe this can be closed now.

Also, the chunk of the Earth they tore through went through was hit through the deepest part of the Planet, which was my basis for using Earth density.

I also did a lil funni calc on Discord using the scans with Viltrum being comparable in size to it's Sun despite possibly being millions of KM away just for fun, which got Viltrum to over 58,000,000 km. I used the distance from Mercury to the Sun for that. Genuinely curious on what you guys think of that.
Guess it’s a funni calc for a reason. Planets, let alone Terrestrial/rocky ones, can’t be anywhere close to the size of the Sun. There’s a threshold. Otherwise they’d be classed as stars. And this is talking about gaseous planets; Earth-like ones have an even lower threshold in size/mass. I won’t even get into Joe perspective works and why two objects shown on a drawn panel in a comic doesn’t mean they’re side-by-side in reality, as if 3 dimensions don’t exist.
 
For Viltrum to have supported it's rings of corpses for several thousand to millions of years
I don’t believe it’s millions of years, the Scourge Plague happened after the death of Aggrall, Nolan is one of Aggrall’s children and is only 2000 years old, so the ring could only be able to form within that time period
 
I don’t believe it’s millions of years, the Scourge Plague happened after the death of Aggrall, Nolan is one of Aggrall’s children and is only 2000 years old, so the ring could only be able to form within that time period
I think a 2,000 year timeframe works, yes. I still think we should try to go about calcing the size of the Planet itself through estimating Viltrum's population, and I really still don't see why that's an issue. Viltrum obviously has a much greater population than Earth, a ring of Earth's population would not be able to form a circumference considerably bigger than the Planet's circumference.
 
I think a 2,000 year timeframe works, yes. I still think we should try to go about calcing the size of the Planet itself through estimating Viltrum's population, and I really still don't see why that's an issue. Viltrum obviously has a much greater population than Earth, a ring of Earth's population would not be able to form a circumference considerably bigger than the Planet's circumference.
The circumference the ISS travels across Earth is about 42650 km.

With an average human height of 1.71 meters. If you lined up all of the adult humans you'd get a distance of 8550000 km or 200x the size of the ISS orbital path. That means they'd be able to orbit the Earth around 200x from over 400 km above the planet. And that's only with 5 billion adult humans, as not every human alive is an adult.

With an average shoulder width of 41.1 cm, the line of human corpses would be around 80+ meters thick. That's assuming all of them line up shoulder to shoulder, which is highly unlikely. There's no way you can use the floating corpses and population to get the size of the planet.

The entire human population could live comfortably in the USA alone. With 8 billion humans, it'd be about 1000 humans per km^2. We have no idea how the population density works on Viltrumite. The entire human race has about over 100 billion people that have every lived.

Assuming Viltrume had 100 billion people living on it. They could still live in an area the size USA alone. As the population density would be about 10171 people per km^2. This is around 7x less than Manila, Philippines. Which happens to be the largest population dense city in the world with 73920 people per km^2.

While I don't know how sustainable such a population is, as I don't know how food and other supplies work. But we don't know them about an alien planet either.

Note: I've not read the rest of this thread as I have no interest in it. My apologies if this is considered derailment. I just wanted to make something clear. You're free to ignore me if you want.
 
I think a 2,000 year timeframe works, yes. I still think we should try to go about calcing the size of the Planet itself through estimating Viltrum's population, and I really still don't see why that's an issue. Viltrum obviously has a much greater population than Earth, a ring of Earth's population would not be able to form a circumference considerably bigger than the Planet's circumference.
I just thought to give some clarification, but perhaps it might be a good idea to update the OP with the info in mind
 
Reading through both sides, I’m siding with Chariot here, there’s way too much assumptions here. Also bringing up Steven Universe as a motive for people not agreeing with you isn’t really gonna help you in the long run if you do this consistently with anyone who disagrees with your threads.
 
Reading through both sides, I’m siding with Chariot here, there’s way too much assumptions here. Also bringing up Steven Universe as a motive for people not agreeing with you isn’t really gonna help you in the long run if you do this consistently with anyone who disagrees with your threads.
That drama has been over for weeks now. I already apologized for getting heated and we're all good. I also asked for this thread to be closed multiple times since I don't see any point in arguing it any further.
 
The circumference the ISS travels across Earth is about 42650 km.

With an average human height of 1.71 meters. If you lined up all of the adult humans you'd get a distance of 8550000 km or 200x the size of the ISS orbital path. That means they'd be able to orbit the Earth around 200x from over 400 km above the planet. And that's only with 5 billion adult humans, as not every human alive is an adult.

With an average shoulder width of 41.1 cm, the line of human corpses would be around 80+ meters thick. That's assuming all of them line up shoulder to shoulder, which is highly unlikely. There's no way you can use the floating corpses and population to get the size of the planet.

The entire human population could live comfortably in the USA alone. With 8 billion humans, it'd be about 1000 humans per km^2. We have no idea how the population density works on Viltrumite. The entire human race has about over 100 billion people that have every lived.

Assuming Viltrume had 100 billion people living on it. They could still live in an area the size USA alone. As the population density would be about 10171 people per km^2. This is around 7x less than Manila, Philippines. Which happens to be the largest population dense city in the world with 73920 people per km^2.

While I don't know how sustainable such a population is, as I don't know how food and other supplies work. But we don't know them about an alien planet either.

Note: I've not read the rest of this thread as I have no interest in it. My apologies if this is considered derailment. I just wanted to make something clear. You're free to ignore me if you want.
The only thing I'd like to comment on is that you're assume it's a stack of one person on top of one person. That's not the case with Viltrum's rings. Each individual rung stacks up what appears to be hundreds of people on top of another hundreds of people. If we stacked 500 humans on top of another 500 humans until the entire 5 billion adult population is stacked up, the line would be far below the value you estimated. Based off the fact that Viltrum's population can form a circumference greater than it's Planet, it's population would absolutely need to be far larger than Earth just to make the ring's circumference larger than Earth. You could also get the Planet's surface area from it by assuming the average people density per km^2 on Earth, which is around 16 people per km^2. If Viltrum's population was the 100,000,000,000 number you mentioned, the surface area of the Planet would be 6.25 billion square kilometers, which is over 12.25 times greater than Earth's surface area (coincidentally the exact same value you'd get with 1.25x Earth's gravity, but that's just a neat little thing I wanted to mention that isn't relevant). That would also put the Planet's diameter at 44,000 or so kilometers, nearly 3.5x bigger than Earth.
 
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Do you want this thread to be closed now or do you want to wait for Rusty to comment first?
 
I don’t believe it’s millions of years, the Scourge Plague happened after the death of Aggrall, Nolan is one of Aggrall’s children and is only 2000 years old, so the ring could only be able to form within that time period
Funnily enough, the handbook says Purging happened hundreds of thousands of years ago, which is obvious nonsense. Thragg says Argall’s death set off Purging, but Mark says Argall dies after scourge was released, so 2 conflicting stories. Nolan seemed to be around pre-scourge since he was there during the peak of the empire with obviously not just 50 Viltrumites by his side. He had his own unit of a dozen too.
 
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