Infinitely Above Baseline 2-A not possible?

[Yobo_Blue]

So, recently we've been getting a lot of 2-A's who are infinitely above baseline 2-A. However, that doesn't really make sense based on the tiering system. 2-A is already the High 3-A of the 4-D tiers, meaning it and of itself fulfills the role of being infinite for that tier. Infinity doesn't really work like that. Infinity + any number isn't actually more than infinity. To actually be infinitely above baseline, you would have to be a uncountable infinity stronger, which would make these 2-A's High 2-A's in reality. Is their something I'm not getting here?

 

[Mindovin]

High Multiverse level+: Characters who are 5-dimensional, and/or can destroy and/or create 5-dimensional space-time constructs of a not insignificant size. Characters who can destroy and/or create an uncountably infinite numbers of universes may potentially also be assigned this tier, as their geometrical 5-D size can be higher than 0.

2-A is 4-D

High 2-A is 5-D

There is no end to infinity. How high into infinity a 4-D character doesn't matter they can't become 5-D, if not their verse not scale that way of course.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I don't think you quite got my point. If you take a look at our 3-D High 3-A to our 4-D High 3-A standards they show that infinitely above 2-A baseline is either actually baseline 2-A or High 2-A

 

[Phoenix821]

High 2-A I believe is only if you Transcend Infinite Universes

 

[Yobo_Blue]

That's literally not my point.

(It's also found for being uncountable 4-D infinities BTW)

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I don't think you can reach a higher dimension by just staking infinities above each other.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

High Multiverse level+: Characters who are 5-dimensional, and/or can destroy and/or create 5-dimensional space-time constructs of a not insignificant size. Characters who can destroy and/or create an uncountably infinite numbers of universes may potentially also be assigned this tier, as their geometrical 5-D size can be higher than 0.

2-A is 4-D

High 2-A is 5-D

There is no end to infinity. How high into infinity a 4-D character doesn't matter they can't become 5-D, if not their verse not scale that way of course.

Exactly. My point is they can't be infinitely above 2-A unless they were uncountable, which they likely aren't

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I don't think you can reach a higher dimension by just staking infinities above each other.

What I'm trying to say is that you can't actually have something infinitely above infinity without being uncountable, so having a AP infinitely above infinity is impossible.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Well, we're talking about fiction here, so, I'm pretty sure it is pretty possible.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Merely being infinitely stronger than a 2-A isn't High 2-A.

Transcendenting them is.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Merely being infinitely stronger than a 2-A isn't High 2-A.

Transcendenting them is.

Homu

Did you read my above clarification?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Well, we're talking about fiction here, so, I'm pretty sure it is pretty possible.

If we're going by what fiction says is possible, you can be above Tier 0. This is dimensional tiering.

Also, that's not to say they aren't infinitely stronger, but that the only way they could be is to be uncountable.

 

[DMB_1]

What Yobo is trying to say is that it doesn't make any sense for someone to be stronger (let alone infinitely) than someone that has already "infinite power" in his dimensional plane.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

@DMB

Thanks. I was sure I had made that clear, but oh well.

 

[Wokistan]

Some infinities are greater than other infinities.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Some infinities are greater than other infinities.

Such as? I'm pretty sure that only applies to uncountable infinities.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Sorry, I should have worded it differently.

I was told that Infinitely above one Multiverse isn't enough to High 2-A rating. You can have infinite strenght, but you are still limited by the dimension you were exists (4-D).

A 4-D space doesn't necessarily possess only one Multiverse, it could contains up to Infinite Multiverse.

Transcendenting completely that would be High 2-A.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Sorry, I should have worded it differently.

I was told that Infinitely above one Multiverse isn't enough to High 2-A rating. You can have infinite strenght, but you are still limited by the dimension you were exists (4-D).

A 4-D space doesn't necessarily possess only one Multiverse, it could contains up to Infinite Multiverse.

Transcendenting completely that would be High 2-A.

Exactly. But baseline 2-A already is infinite, so being infinitely above it would only be possible if you did transcend 4-D space.

 

[Wokistan]

Characters only make it into infinitely above baseline 2-A by scaling off of others though, and in the series that end up like this like digimon and SMT the 5-Ds are clearly defined as far above and transcendent even to these infinite 2-As. Simply put, we can't bump people explicitly stated to be 5D into 1-C and beyond off of scaling, and having 2-As in the same level as beings stated to transcend them doesn't work.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

No, one Multiverse can be considered as a single universe in 4-D space.

 

[Schnee_One]

Infinite 4 dimensional power isn't 5 dimensional.

It's simple

 

[The_Everlasting]

I never understood the idea that "infinitely above a tier = the next dimensional level". Being infinitely stronger doesn't give you another entire axis of movement.

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Infinite 4 dimensional power isn't 5 dimensional.
It's simple

^this.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Characters only make it into infinitely above baseline 2-A by scaling off of others though, and in the series that end up like this like digimon and SMT the 5-Ds are clearly defined as far above and transcendent even to these infinite 2-As. Simply put, we can't bump people explicitly stated to be 5D into 1-C and beyond off of scaling, and having 2-As in the same level as beings stated to transcend them doesn't work.

In that case they would be Low infinity. We can't assume they aren't High 2-A simply because people are above them. Also, what exactly was the "infinitely above baseline" justification again for those 2 again"

 

[Wokistan]

SMT and Digimon have long scaling chains that I do not have memorized since neither are series I'm big in to. You should be able to find them on blogs, but I think at least one character 1 shotted an infinite amount of baseline 2-As for their layer.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Fiction doesn't have to make sense, it's fiction.

Uncountable set of infinity>countable set of infinity even if you multiply that countable set by infinity from my understanding.

Even if a character was infinitely above a High 3-A, it wouldn't suddenly make them 4-D. And we have characters infinitely above High 1-B don't we? Sure as heck doesn't make them 1-A.

 

[Schnee_One]

Lucemo

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Just found this, but to answer Yobo's question

These files answer your question of why SMT and Digimon are infinitely above baseline. I believe the Ur Dragon is this as well.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kagutsuchi_(Shin_Megami_Tensei)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mother_Eater

Here are the blogs for both.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Executor_N0/Digimon_Franchise:_The_Digital_World

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Ultima_Reality/Shin_Megami_Tensei_Explanation_Blog

 

[Wokistan]

Btw the Ur-Dragon's that way because Characters who are already 2-A are infinitesimally small parts of it.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

Yeah, I didn't know what it was for, but I remember hearing that he was infinitely above baseline for something.