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Infinite Zamasu vs Super Sonic

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This has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that a user named Zamasu removed Super Sonic's 4-A. Absolutely nothing to do with that. I'm not even angry. I'm being so sincere right now.

Rules: Speed Equalized. Both are 2-C. Otherwise SBA.

SuperSonic1
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Sonic: 2 (DMB 1, The real cal howard)
Zamasu:

Inconclusive:
 
ShakeResounding said:
@Enryu That's still being discussed, but it's at minimum above 10.
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I mean...not really. Even if Solaris is considered 15 universes (which is debatable in and of itself and a majority of the staff was for 3), Sonic'd still scale to a third of that
 
Pretty sure the admin who's been here for half a decade knows how scaling works ovo

Edit: Wow, you were here before me lol.
 
@Cal Considering Sonic was able to damage Solaris with normal attacks, he can't be that much weaker than him. Solaris being just three universes is obviously wrong though.

As for this fight, Sonic low-diffs. Infinite Zamasu is pretty much a mindless zombie that shoots energy projectiles.
 
@Cal

Wait, I joined this wiki before you?

Basically 3 people damaging somebody dosn't make the people who damage them a third as strong.
 
@Cal I feel like that's a different case though, but we could just discuss that in the 2-C thread after these revisions are done.

Sonic breezes through this fight FRA.
 
The real cal howard said:
The Legendary Birds are 1/3 of Lugia for example.
Anyway, yeah. Sonic Low-Diffs.
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Yeah but 3-D =/= 4-D third of a 2-C isnt needed to be literally a third of universes the original can destroy, thats like saying that for being half or less than a 2 universes 2-C makes you low 2-C.
 
Infinite Zamasu merged with the space-time of a single universe and was spreading to other universes.

Chaos Control gives the user control over space-time.

Sonic scales to Low 2-C upwards to 2-C via feats scaling to Solaris who embodies all of space-time across all timelines in the universe.

So Sonic can harm an entity that embodies an unquantifiable number of timelines (so universes) and has access to Chaos Control that enables him to control space and time. Sonic is fighting Infinite Zamasu who is merged with the timeline of a singular universe and is spreading to other universes.

Logically speaking can't Sonic just freeze Infinite Zamasu and tear him into pieces?
 
Sonic using Chaos Control is considered OOC for him unless the situation is really serious or he's facing a really tough opponent
 
UltimateFlare said:
Sonic using Chaos Control is considered OOC for him unless the situation is really serious or he's facing a really tough opponent
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SBA states that they are willing to kill, so he might as well use it right off the bat.
 
SBA states that they are willing to kill, so he might as well use it right off the bat.

Willing to kill doesn't work like that. It just puts them in a mindset of well.....willing to kill. What you just described is bloodlusted.

Anyway Sonic via AP. I don't agree with game Super Sonic having Reality Warp.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Restoring reality is a form of reality warping.
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And it's never implied nor said in the game that the Sonics did it. It's literally: Time Eater Boss > Cutscene where everything is back to normal and it's Sonic's birthday party again.
 
@Hst

That still does not dismiss the fact that Sonic leads with Reality Warping. If you don't think he has Reality warping, then make a CRT, don't discuss it here.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Before you fight Time Eater, it says to "defeat the dark, mysterious enemy, and restore this world." Self-explanatory.
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Context is a thing. By defeating the Time Eater, they will restore the world. Not by doing it themselves.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
All you have to do is look at the area the Super Sonics fight Time Eater in. It was literally an empty void.
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I think he means that since the Time Eater was the one who turned everything into a void and made it stay that way, defeating it will cause reality to go back to normal and NOT an empty void like it once was. Sort of like a Dam holding off the flow of time; Sonic just took down that dam.
 
^ This.

It's not like Erazor Jinn and Darkspine Sonic where we see Sonic turn the world back to normal. Time Eater is the one who did it, and defeating him will undo it, reversing the effects upon defeat.
 
@Akreious For one, it doesn't say "defeat the dark, mysterious enemy to restore this world." If that was the case then it would have more merit to it.

Secondly, the Sonics have already spent the whole game restoring areas that were destroyed by Time Eater, as said by Tails "when the Sonics accelerate through time they fix space, restoring color and life." So right there that argument goes out the window.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
@Akreious For one, it doesn't say "defeat the dark, mysterious enemy to restore this world." If that was the case then it would have more merit to it.

Secondly, the Sonics have already spent the whole game restoring areas that were destroyed by Time Eater, as said by Tails "when the Sonics accelerate through time they fix space, restoring color and life." So right there that argument goes out the window.
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In the context of the sentence, "And" and "to" are replaceable. By defeating the Time Eater they achieve the goal of restoring the timeline.

And your example deals with the white world and the stages, which by the way is still there by the end of the game. Only Eggman is left there.

Your reasoning for Super Sonic having Reality Warp was the mission objective and where the final boss is held being turn back to normal upon Time Eater's defeat, which is a separate dimension from the white space. Neither is a valid enough evidence for Reality Warping.
 
First of all, you're implying the Time Eater has some passive ability that prevents reality from being able to be restored, which in itself is a massive assumption.

The stages are areas displaced from their own timelines into the White Space.

Just because it wasn't explicitly shown doesn't mean the Sonics didn't restore them. It's basic common sense.
 
Okay well, either way, this thread is a stomp as Zamasu literally has no advantages. Should be closed.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
First of all, you're implying the Time Eater has some passive ability that prevents reality from being able to be restored, which in itself is a massive assumption.

The stages are areas displaced from their own timelines into the White Space.

Just because it wasn't explicitly shown doesn't mean the Sonics didn't restore them. It's basic common sense.
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Nope, because it's not reality warping in the 1st place. He's messing with the time periods and placing them in the white space.

Yes and by defeating Time Eater the timeline is restored.

If it was implied then it's one thing. But it's neither shown nor implied.
 
DaBigP said:
@Hst

That still does not dismiss the fact that Sonic leads with Reality Warping. If you don't think he has Reality warping, then make a CRT, don't discuss it here.
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It's one of the reasons for sonic's votes. That said we literally see nowhere that Sonic leads with anything but physicals from all his appearances in game as Super Sonic or that he has RW. And I plan to later on.
 
Time Eater erases time and space.

Once again, common sense. What you imply is that defeating Time Eater magically reverses everything he did because he somehow had some passive ability that keeps reality destroyed.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Time Eater erases time and space.

Once again, common sense. What you imply is that defeating Time Eater magically reverses everything he did because he somehow had some passive ability that keeps reality destroyed.
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No because again he's not destroying reality at all. He's displacing eras in time and placing them in the white space. I can't imply he has some passive ability that keeps reality destroyed if he never did so in the 1st place. Defeating Time Eater simply returned all the Stages to their respective time periods and Sonic and co. back home. That said I'll make a CRT later on this to properly discuss it.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Time Eater does both of those things.

Also this.
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Tails literally states that they'll use them to beat the time eater. beating the time eater restores the time periods to their proper places.
 
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