Infinite & Immeasurable Speed Clarification

[TheMightyRegulator]

The only immeasurable feat time eater has, is keeping up with sonic who was capable of travelling to distant time periods in the game despite space and time being destroyed.

It can do the same thing, but via hax, not actual speed.

I also think Dimentio does too little movement to scale to his combat speed and reactions but that's another thing entirely...

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

I'm not saying Time Eater and Dimentio are the same, but I've asked multiple times how they're different and gotten rather unsatisfactory responses.

It was explained to you that the time eater was capable of moving to different time periods. We've discussed similar scenarios before, thus your persistence is confusing, unless of course, you mean in depth with the employment of higher dimensional jargon. In such a case, the likes of Don'ttalk, TheLivingTribunal, A6Colute, or Darklk would be a much more preferable source.

However, as I've stated above this is not necessarily factual. I don't think it should be scaled to its combat speed and reactions.

 

[Ryukama]

It was explained to me, but with all due respect its not a very good explanation. You cited that Time Eater's feat would require hypertime, which when I googled that I only found a fictional concept made by DC Comics. The only other explanations are simply that it is different yet not actually explaining why.

Time Eater can move in a timeless void and go to different time periods. Dimentio can move in a timelines void and create entire new time periods within this void.

I do not understand why the former is literally infinitely greater than the later. I don't even want Dimentio to be upgraded and I don't care if he's no longer even considered infinite in speed. It's just I don't see any meaningful difference in Time Eater's feat than Dimentio's.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Hypertime has actually nothing to do with time.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, isn't hypertime supposed to be branching timelines splitting off from, intersecting with, overwriting, blending with, and overwriting each other in planar time?

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

The void itself doesn't even matter. Time travelling in itself is an immeasurable speed feat, or at least in regards to significant movement across the space-time continuum as technically, you are time travelling all your life.

Apologies for using a terminology I did not completely understand, I should have known better.

Again, I am no expert on higher dimensional theory. I'm just a guy with an opinion who is providing information I have gained from past experiences.

Again, if you want in depth explanations on such things, as listed there are many more individuals here with far greater knowledge on the topic.

Furthermore, I don't understand why such reality warping would scale to anything in terms of speed. Was he existing outside the universe?

 

[Antvasima]

We will likely replace our current definition of immeasurable speed with simply "characters that encompass more than one dimension of time" soon (as suggested by The Living Tribunal1), to keep things easier to understand.

 

[Ryukama]

Dimentio is capable of existing after all timelines and universes are erased from existence. As Count Bleck said, more like as if they never even existed to begin with. He can exist outside of the multiverse. Again I'm fine with Dimentio not being considered such speeds. But I have never heard anything for why time travelling in destroyed time and creating new time from nothing in destroyed time are literally infinitely apart.

And I definitely do not agree that time travelling is immeasurable. It's just a weird ability that many characters/machines who clearly are not anywhere close to that speed do. If Time Eater's profile is explaining it wrong and the fact he was in a void doesn't even determine his rating, just his ability to time travel in of itself, then I especially think the rating should be reconsidered.

 

[Ryukama]

We will likely replace our current definition of immeasurable speed with simply "characters that encompass more than one dimension of time" soon (as suggested by The Living Tribunal1), to keep things easier to understand.

I think that'd be a very good suggestion.

 

[The_Everlasting]

I honestly feel like people consider the Immeasurable speed rating in a more complicated manner than it actually is.

If you exist beyond time and space, you also exist beyond distance and time, which is what's used to determine speed in the first place (Distance divided by time). Similarly, if you exist beyond only time, then your speed is Infinite as no matter what, it will be any form of distance divided by 0 time.

It feels so simple.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Well , we've obsessively discussed similar situations and it was decided unless the construct is entirely whole, that character will not be rated immeasurable for it since it's not complete transcendence but one acquired through normal acausality, which is simply infinite.

He's not moving to a higher plane, but in an erased plane.

Logically simple reality warping does not make this infinitely more impressive and considering many more characters are mistakenly rated already, it'd be best not to worsen the problem.

"But I have never heard..."

You're asking the wrong person for clarity. I cannot put this more bluntly.

Yes, we've already recognized that infinitely slower characters are capable of time travelling by obtaining a certain speed.

This is why characters like the flash are currently being downgraded.

That doesn't mean we should regard it as an outlier in every regard.

We will likely replace our current definition of immeasurable speed with simply "characters that encompass more than one dimension of time" soon (as suggested by The Living Tribunal1), to keep things easier to understand.

What of characters who embody space-time continuums as extensions of themselves?

 

[Antvasima]

If they do not encompass planar time or above, they would likely not receive the rating.

 

[Ryukama]

If Time Eater's rating has nothing to do with existing within the timeless void, and his rating is only as it is cause he's a time traveller, then I honestly do not agree at all with rating him immeasurable.

If Time Eater's rating is based on time travelling in destroyed time, then I don't see how this is infinitely greater than creating time within destroyed time.

I'm not saying that reality warping is grounds for a speed rating. I'm not saying Dimentio should be immeasurable. And I've said I'm fine with Dimentio not even being considered infinite.

What I am saying is no actual explanation is given for why these two's feats are so vastly different. If we rate one as infinite, both should be infinite. We rate one as immeasurable, both should be immeasurable. We rate one as just unquantifiable hax, we rate both as unquantifiable hax.

My point is that there seems to be very little meaningful difference between the two feats, so they should be rated as the same.

 

[TheMightyRegulator]

Alright.

 

[Metal875]

I definitely agree with Ryu and Ant on this one—if it's based on something we consider as Powers & Abilities, then the rating should not be legit, or else everyone who can time travel would have such a speed, including characters who have never demonstrated such speeds.

And like Ant said, maybe revision of immeasurable is the best.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I honestly feel like people consider the Immeasurable speed rating in a more complicated manner than it actually is.
If you exist beyond time and space, you also exist beyond distance and time, which is what's used to determine speed in the first place (Distance divided by time). Similarly, if you exist beyond only time, then your speed is Infinite as no matter what, it will be any form of distance divided by 0 time.

It feels so simple.

This, times a hundred.

People are treating Immeasurable Speed as overly complicated things, treating it as a rubik's cube that requires constant analysis, when our current requirements for it are simple and to the point.

We definitely don't need to do a revision on Immeasurable Speed, it's good as it is. There's no need to reinvent the wheel and create a system using Higher-Dimensional Time specifically, specially when little to no fiction uses that, and most treat higher dimensions as one thing.

 

[Metal875]

@Matthew: To be fair, I don't think many people are intending to not understand it. I myself honestly didn't.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, what should we change the Time Eater's speed to? Unknown or Infinite?

 

[Metal875]

I think infinite, mainly because of other characters being infinite. It'd be less revision (because if we change Time Eater to Unknown, we're likely going to have to change the others), and it'd get the point across.

But that's just me—you guys can decide on that. Thank you all for the help.

 

[ProspectX]

An question i been wondering myself actually, and now i that i got the chance to ask this : Is immeasurable speed equal to infinite speed.?

And a special one that peaks my interest : Is Teleportation> Infinite & immeasurable speed?

 

[Huesito88]

No immeasurable is greater then infintie.Teleportaion is infintie.

 

[ProspectX]

No immeasurable is greater then infintie.Teleportaion is infintie.

Teleporation is not speed, it's instanteous. I wanted to know what's superior according to staff, wikia, and members of course.

 

[Huesito88]

Actually Tbh wouldn't Teleportaion be a plank second in speed I heard the flash outrun Teleportaion and plank second was used in the calc. Also I know Teleportaion is not a a speed but I was using what it was its equal to it.

 

[ProspectX]

Actually Tbh wouldn't Teleportaion be a plank second in speed I heard the flash outrun Teleportaion and plank second was used in the calc. Also I know Teleportaion is not a a speed but I was using what it was its equal to it.

Teleportation in some works is given a very small time interference, between the original location to the destination. But i think that the true teleportation, cannot be concived by any mortal eye or data so it's seemingly blank in appearence when the information is relocated. The universe of "Supernatural" demonstrates a good example of it.

 

[Antvasima]

I will modify the Time Eater profile then.

 

[Metal875]

Thank you Ant.

My questions and concerns have been dealt with—as long as everyone else is cool with it, I'm fine with the thread being closed.