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inFAMOUS Speed Revision

We will use actual lightning speed for the feats that were listed then, although the reasoning for using actual lightning speed may be, different from what would be expected.
 
So, just to recap so far, and to make sure I'm not misunderstanding something, for movement speed, we will be using my suggested speeds in the OP, with the exception of Kessler, who's speed we are currently discussing?

For combat/reaction/attack speed, we will be keeping them at their current MHS+ due to characters being able to react to and dodge nature lighting?

Also, we are kinda using the OP speeds as a placeholder for the time being, since later I found another speed feat for inFAMOUS not too long after making this thread:

At 12:10, Cole manages to outrun the Ray Sphere exploding. Though, I'm not sure if it's usable, since the Ray Sphere produces a fictional radiation/energy, but maybe we could use it the nuclear explosion for scaling? Also, you can see the dock that blows up at 6:50 and beyond if you need help for distance.

For an example of how fast a Ray Sphere explosion travels the first 30 seconds of this clip shows how fast the explosion can expand over a large area
 
No problem. I am afraid that I have rather lost track of it at this point though.
 
Yes. No rush. You should get well first.
 
PTSOXMONKEY99 said:
Cole drains a storm
Kessler dodges a lighting bolt from Cole at 1:17, 2:20 and 2:35. At 1:38 and 5:38 Cole shows that he can react to and match Kessler in comabat, even after being flung and knocked dow

Kessler dodges lighting from point blank at 0:38
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  • For Cole draining a storm, we cannot figure out how much energy was drained from that instance other than the fact that he drained a lightning bolt. But that is only a Building level feat at best.
  • This would mean that Kessler's speed would scale to Cole's, depending on how slower/faster he is.
  • As for this, Kessler was a distance (couple meters) away from Cole, which is not really considered a point blank distance. The bigger issue here however, is that the lightning that Kessler dodge wasn't an actual cloud-to-ground lightning, and just an electric bolt.
If you really want to prove that everyone in Infamous is Massively Hypersonic, either

  • post a scene where Cole (or those that scale) dodge an actual lightning bolt from the sky.
  • post a scene where Cole directly absorbs a lightning bolt, fires said lightning bolt to a person, and that said person directly dodged that lightning bolt.
 
Okay. Thank you for the evaluation.
 
ÔÇó Well the feat was calculated, once by Darkanine and again by me to come out at town level. But you may have a point. Though, Cole does have a casual town level feat in inFAMOUS 1, so meh.

ÔÇó What I'm saying is that Kessler's movement speed should be greater than Cole's, since he is able so literally zip around Cole in game

ÔÇó Those are the only examples of Kessler dodging the bolts I could find. In game, Kessler can basically dodge them from any distance.

ÔÇóWhile there are no feats of Cloud-to-ground dodging feats in game, me and COB would argue that we can treat Cole and Kessler's lighting as natural lighting. It meets several of the requirements:

Making muscles of affected beings contract: Cole's lighting can cause civilians in game to spasm, and some civilians will clutch onto their chest, signifying that they are having a heart attack. In inFAMOUS 2, some enemies will be paralyzed or spasm when struck by an attack

Having an (electro)magnetic field: Cole shows that he can manipulate electromagnetic fields. In the comics, he creates electromagnetic tethers that allow him to easily launch metal objects at his foes, and in inFAMOUS 2, he creates an electromagnetic field around himself to big up nearby objects and basically rail gun them. His grenades and rockets are described as using electromagnetism to bind kinetic energy into an explosive charge.

Being shown to actually move with a speed similar to lightning: His Lighting Bolt from inFAMOUS 1, and his Magnum Bolt from inFAMOUS 2 and his Precision bolts all meet this description.

Flowing through conducting materials: Cole's lighting easily conducts off of things such as metal and water. It also flows through wiring in electrical devices and he has used his body to reconnect broken series (electrical wiring) and he has been described as a living third rail.

There's also the fact that Cole's whole shtick is to be an electrokinetic. He absorbs any and all types of electricity/lighting, be it from the sky or from a machine or from a person, and shoots it back out. He performed the storm draining feat while he was depowered. It makes no sense to say that the stuff he's shooting out of his hands is different from what he's absorbing into his body.

I can see the electricity argument for some of his attacks, because some of them come out as blobs instead of bolts in inFAMOUS 2, but he can recreate his inFAMOUS 1 bolt with magnum bolt, which is described in game as "a true thunderbolt." Several of his attacks are described as using lighting. Several of his attacks are described as lightning by the game.

It's not like we haven't treated lighting from characters as natural lighting before. If I remember correctly, we give Fairy Tail this treatment, since no one in the verse has dodged cloud to ground lighting, but they can dodge lightning from Laxus, who has shown to use natural lighting.

I'm gonna have to continue this tomorrow, because I'm tired and I need to wake up early tomorrow for work. Until then.
 
PTSOXMONKEY99 makes a good point regarding that the lightning fulfills our current requirements. We should probably accept it as such for the sake of consistency.
 
There's also the issue that Cole's actual lightning attacks in comics actually homes in on targets too. Add those in together and if Kessler really wasn't as fast as lightning then he would've been repeatedly caught by that attack. And the only time Cole was able to use the lightning storm despite it being an instantaneous attack that locks in on the strongest enemy, or is controlled enough to either be steered or shoot various lightning bolts at random points, was when Kessler knocked down and unable to dodge.

I would've commented on this sooner but been busy. Apologies.
 
Okay I got a brief brake, so imma make this quick.

Can you expand more on your homing attacks thing COB? Cause I remember that only Ionic Storm from i2 homes in on his opponents.
 
In the comics prior to infamous 2 Cole can shoot off homing lightning everywhere. Accurately st multiple directions. Whether just bolts or thr lightning storm
 
Are you talking about the scene where he emits lighting all around himself to strike the surrounding soldiers?
 
If what COB is saying is correct, I will consider Cole/Kesseler's lightning to be actual lightning speed then, although it makes me wonder if the speed upgrade is accepted...

Who scales?
 
In terms of movement speed? Just Kessler. He's presented as one of the speediest characters in the verse, surpassed only by the likes of Delson and Fetch will using their neon dash.

In terms of combat and reaction speed? Cole, Sasha, Alden, Nix, Kuo, David, Bloody Mary and John. They have all tough and kept up with Cole in combat, who managed to match Kessler in combat, but not in movement speed. I'm hesitant to give it to Bertrand because he's displayed as a slow, lumbering tank that focuses more on defense than mobility.
 
I'm also hesitant to give it to John in his giant form, since he too also is a slow, lumbering damage soak sponge. His human form should scale though.
 
Not just that but in general his lightning bolts don't act like his lightning bolts in infamous 1. instead of just being a linear shot. It could curve and strike multiple targets in the comics after all. i would've said it was a degree of just using electricity but on the other hand Cole can still literally release lightning bolts everywhere accurately like he did here

https://static.comicvine.c om/uploads/original/11112/111123435/3449559-1165244367-95vor.jpg

Not a single bolt wasted and since he was pissed at Kessler he had no reason to not use it.

Also makes sense on the John part
 
Yeah his bolts took a weird turn in inFAMOUS 2, but he can recreate his inFAMOUS 1 Lighting Bolt (the one that acts like lightning) with Magnum Bolt, but it has a slower rate of fire, unlike before where he could rapid fire lighting quick bolts. Though, this is fixed in the Festival of Blood DLC, but is most likely non-canon.

Yeah, in the comics he has shown to release omnidirectional bursts of electricity to defend and attack at the same time. He does this again in inFAMOUS 2 when he receives an overcharg from a substation, though it's more of a wave of electricity.

Agreed, an omnidirectional lightning blast would've been cool for inFAMOUS, but alas, not such luck.

Just saying, cause John in his giant form made no effort to dodge and instead just tanked/regenerated from all the attacked.
 
So what is the current consensus at the moment? Because I feel like this thread has gotten a bit derailed.
 
  • From the reasons listed above, we can say that Kessler has Massively Hypersonic movement for dodging Cole's lightning bolts at close range, which are able to move at comparable speed to real lightning.
  • For the other characters (Cole, Sasha, Alden, Nix, Kuo, David, Bloody Mary and John), they can have Massively Hypersonic reactions and combat speed for keeping up with Cole, although we are not sure about the value of said speed in question. Didn't Cole have some serious issues with dodging bullets and incoming missiles or something?
 
Cole in the comics casually dodges minigun fire from behind, anti aircraft fire from behind while fighting David, and casually reflects a rocket at last second (check the supersonic calc). In game, him getting struck by bullets and rockets is mostly game mechanics, cause in cutscenes he can outrun the Ray Sphere explosion (see calc request above) and once ran through a hail of gunfire without being hit, and stated to run faster than he knew he could.

Any hopes on a calc to get an exact value for their speed? I've been waiting for one for a long time now, and I'd really appreciate it.
 
Also, would their attack speed still remain at MHS+ for being treated as real lightning? At least his Ionic Storm and Lightning Storm, since it's just Cole creating a storm to summon lightning on his foes.
 
PTSOXMONKEY99 said:
Also, would their attack speed still remain at MHS+ for being treated as real lightning? At least his Ionic Storm and Lightning Storm, since it's just Cole creating a storm to summon lightning on his foes.
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If said lightning comes directly from the storm cloud, we would treat it as Massively Hypersonic+ speed, yes.
 
So, reactions and combat speed get bumped down to Massively Hypersonic, attack speed with Lightning Storm and Ionic storm remain at MHS+?
 
That would be a reasonable choice, yes. However, since Kessler was able to move away from Cole's lightning bolt (which moves at actual lightning speed, as you stated) which homes in on targets, I would say that...

Kessler

  • Speed: Massively Hypersonic (Faster than Cole. He was able to easily dodge Cole's lightning bolts during their fight, where said lightning bolts are comparable in speed to actual cloud-to-ground lightning)
Cole, Sasha, Alden, Nix, Kuo, David, Bloody Mary and Joh

  • Speed: Massively Hypersonic reactions/combat speed
As for Bertrand, I am not sure, as you did say that Bertrand is a slow lumbering tank, so he would not scale to the rest of the cast.

But if a calculation can be done on this topic regarding Kessler's speed, we can use that calc for Kessler's speed and scale it to the rest of the cast. It's just that we usually treat dodging lightning as Massively Hypersonic for dodging it at close range unless a calculation shows it to be lower/higher.

Edit: Just want to make sure if CoreOfImbalance is okay with these speed descriptions.
 
Alright, so, we have movement speed for Kessler down, and combat/reaction speed for the rest of the verse, but how about movement speed? Are we sticking to the suggested speeds in the OP, or should we wait for the explosion feat to be calculated?
 
So, the last two feats that we need calculated for inFAMOUS' speed are:

Cole outrunning the Ray Sphere explosion (see above)

and

Kessler dodging Cole's lightning bolts, which we can treat as real lighting, from close range (see above)

PS, changed the title of the thread to fit the discussion.
 
So, just out of curiosity, for uncalced natural lightning dodging feats, what is the speed? Mach what?
 
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