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I mean, Time Eater is only treated as MFTL+, so it'd be an outlier prolly.
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It does cause it is an outliner like if anything Game Sonic's Universe is somewhat inconsistent like Marvel/DCDoesn't Sonic have variable tiers? So the speed thing shouldn't be a problem, Mike
Proceeds no reason..........This isn’t 2016 people. We’ve already had countless discussions on why those feats are legit.
Why would it be an outlier? What makes this feat an outlier? Having MFTL+ feats doesn't disprove an Immeasurable speed one, I thinkIt does cause it is an outliner like if anything Game Sonic's Universe is somewhat inconsistent like Marvel/DC
When has Sonic ever perform Immeasurable Feats aside from 2006Why would it be an outlier? What makes this feat an outlier? Having MFTL+ feats doesn't disprove an Immeasurable speed one, I think
Yeah. This is basic logicThe feats are proven to be legit countless times before. If Super Sonic's AP is variable, then why can't his speed be variable too?
Explain how it is legit when Sonic has perform Planet Feats with his Super Form after 2006 and I would suggest we should remove his AP as well because we can't accept Outliners on his Tiers, by that logic, you might as well have Spongebob at Planet cause his tiers are Galaxy even tho you guys think its an outlinerThe feats are proven to be legit countless times before. If Super Sonic's AP is variable, then why can't his speed be variable too?
MFTL+ plus feats are very iffy as they're using background shenanigans. Even then, they aren't enough to support immeasurable.Why would it be an outlier? What makes this feat an outlier? Having MFTL+ feats doesn't disprove an Immeasurable speed one, I think
They should scale to 4-A, as Final Egg Blaster was empowered by the chaos emeralds.I will also want to suggest to remove Multi Solar System for the Super Forms and here is why
1. The user who did the calc states that it could be some outliner
2. The Super Forms never performed Multi Solar System feats unless someone can back that up on this cause if anything Large Planet-Dwarf Star is what the Chaos Emeralds hit
Lots of other verses do it too yet you seemvto only hace a problem with SonicMFTL+ plus feats are very iffy as they're using background shenanigans. Even then, they aren't enough to support immeasurable.
Yeah but that can be seen as an outliner cause there are so many feats that shown Planetary after that game and that can be considered as an outliner unless there are 2 more Multi Solar System feats he hasThey should scale to 4-A, as Final Egg Blaster was empowered by the chaos emeralds.
Like what verses?Lots of other verses do it too yet you seemvto only hace a problem with Sonic
So one 4-A feat > 5 seperate tier 2 feats? Ok thenThey should scale to 4-A, as Final Egg Blaster was empowered by the chaos emeralds.
Cause there are lots of feats that shown that the 7 Chaos Emeralds have done that grants Planet such as the Eclipse Cannon, the Unleashed thing that Eggman use that the Emeralds drain the planet which was calc at Large Planet and many planet featsWhy would they be Large Planet level?
No Massive FTL+ is fine TF?Are you guys really suggesting 4-A FTL+ Super Sonic? Like Actually?
It was never stated that it's even close to their maximum output. Also having lower feats doesn't discredit higher onesCause there are lots of feats that shown that the 7 Chaos Emeralds have done that grants Planet such as the Eclipse Cannon, the Unleashed thing that Eggman use that the Emeralds drain the planet which was calc at Large Planet and many planet feats
Read this post again and stop derrailing about outliers people, this is about the standardsBefore the FRA train of any side come in I want to say that this thread should be focused how the new standards affect the tiering, and what should be changed, it shouldn't be about "outliers" or "there is no feat" because this already accepted in the original thread by various staff members knowelegeble on the series, and it's honestly derrailing from the main point
Focus on arguments related to the standards, please
I didn't say so, I actually buy tier 2, it's consistent enough. I was replying to Mike saying that 4-A key should remainSo one 4-A feat > 5 seperate tier 2 feats? Ok then
Yeah and that the Immeasurable Key should be removed cause its an outliner like Game Sonic has inconsisnant like Marvel/DC like I saidSince when was this thread about Sonic's Tier? I thought we were discussing the Immeasurable key
4-A no. FTL+ maybe actually yesAre you guys really suggesting 4-A FTL+ Super Sonic? Like Actually?
It's also about the outlier.Read this post again and stop derrailing about outliers people, this is about the standards
Why exactly? Super Sonic doesn't state once he's using his full speed in any game before or after Sonic 2006. The only enemy to ever force Super Sonic to use his full power was Solaris, and in any other occasion he's holding back a lot. And aside from Solaris no enemy can even harm him at allYeah and that the Immeasurable Key should be removed cause its an outliner like Game Sonic has inconsisnant like Marvel/DC like I said
If Super Sonic wanted to be at his full power, why did did he not hold back or fought hard enough to counter the Planetary drain by Eggman in Unleashed that drain the 7 Chaos Emeralds in the cutscene like his Low Multiverse power and durability and Speed should have resistant that ? Or one shot other Villains at that tier?Why exactly? Super Sonic doesn't state once he's using his full speed in any game before or after Sonic 2006. The only enemy to ever force Super Sonic to use his full power was Solaris, and in any other occasion he's holding back a lot. And aside from Solaris no enemy can even harm him at all
Because affecting and nullifying the chaos emerald would also nullify Super Sonic's power. This is explained in canon when Tikal managed to nullify Perfect Chaos and revert him back to base by using the Master Emeralds to depower the chaos emeralds.If Super Sonic wanted to be at his full power, why did did he not hold back or fought hard enough to counter the Planetary drain by Eggman in Unleashed that drain the 7 Chaos Emeralds?
Like think about it
The thread is about immeasurable in general, so try again. Outlier means a feat far above any other feats. The highest feat for Sonic calculated now (that also should be nuked soon) is billions c, immeasurable is, well, above infinite.It isn't, it is about the standards, saying "nah it isn't" isn't a goddamm poiny
Anyways it objectively isn't a outlier, that's not the meaning of the word, immesurable is the peak of Sonic's speed, the maximun, a peak is always going to be higher than the rest by definition, you are using outlier as a buzzword, and the Unleashed drain is irrelevant whhen Chaos also drained the emeralds and Sonic beat him, or in Unleashed where Sonic then beats Perfect Dark Gaia, who already far upscales from 5-A
4-A, MFTL+ is the definition of derrailing a thread, keep your pre conceived notions and bias to yourselfs
You could say that about many characters who also have supporting feats that are mftl+ in addition to immeasurable. Why are they legit and Sonic's isn't?The thread is about immeasurable in general, so try again. Outlier means a feat far above any other feats. The highest feat for Sonic calculated now (that also should be nuked soon) is billions c, immeasurable is, well, above infinite.