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I’m asking this here because this was contributing to the derailment of this thread and I didn’t want to clog it up any further.
Getting straight to the point. From what I know and have been made aware of at this point, freely being able to travel through linear time, as in moving from the past to the future or the future to the past or past to the present, is a form of Immeasurable Speed. So long as it’s through actual speed and not some kind of teleportation or ability. I have 0 issue with this requirement.
However, there is an issue I have about what we currently don’t accept as immeasurable speed. And that’s space-time transcendence done through sheer speed.
Let’s take this line segment shown above, with points X, Z and Y shown on the line.
X represents the past
Z represents the present
Y represents the future
And the entire line segment represents time in a linear fashion. Past going to the present which goes to the future.
Based on how the current standards for Immeasurable Speed work, freely moving from the future to the past or from the present to the future with any given movement would be a way to achieve immeasurable speed.
So according to the line segment diagram I gave above, an immeasurable speed character would be moving from one point on the line segment to another point freely. Moving from Point X to Point Z, or from Point Y to X. Freely moving throughout the line segment that is linear time.
This is where the problem comes now. Let’s say Character A comes from a verse where there exists many higher dimensions, all of which are proven to transcend space and time. And Character A is able to physically travel to these higher dimensions freely, roam through them and can travel back to his 3-D realm. Again, as a speed feat and not done through teleportation abilities.
That means, instead of them simply moving between points X, Z and Y on the line segment, aka moving between the past, present and future, they are moving beyond all 3 of them entirely and into a place that exists beyond that of linear time. AND can freely travel back into linear time.
This is my main issue with the current standards. And if there’s an explanation for why we don’t accept the latter, someone please explain it to me as good as possible.
Because what I’m not understanding is how someone who is freely able to move beyond all of what linear time is cannot get the same speed rating as someone who can only move throughout linear time and not move outside of it.
IF anything, transcending space and time with your movements and freely moving back would imply you can freely move through linear time and then some anyway. Because before you can even transcend, your starting point would be anywhere from within linear time. That means you would need to move through linear time in order to then leave linear time from any given point before going on to transcending it. And in order to re-enter linear time, you would have to move through it as well to go back to your given point in time.
Example: Character A is from the present in his universe. He physically transcends time and space to enter 4-D space. And when coming back, he goes from 4-D space back into his present era.
Character A would have to move through the present to then leave the present to then transcend, and re-enter the present to come back. That would still be moving through linear time, the only difference is that Character A isn’t going to another point in time.
Freely moving through linear time is clear and I have no issues or concerns with that.
What my concern here is why transcending it with sheer speed wouldn’t be given the same rating for all the reason I laid out.
Getting straight to the point. From what I know and have been made aware of at this point, freely being able to travel through linear time, as in moving from the past to the future or the future to the past or past to the present, is a form of Immeasurable Speed. So long as it’s through actual speed and not some kind of teleportation or ability. I have 0 issue with this requirement.
However, there is an issue I have about what we currently don’t accept as immeasurable speed. And that’s space-time transcendence done through sheer speed.
What’s the Issue?
Simply put, the main confusion with the current standards I have is that we accept freely moving through linear time at will as immeasurable speed, but for lack of explained reasoning, someone who could freely move beyond and back into linear time all together with movement isn’t qualified for the exact same rating. And because there’s a lack of explanation, this makes no sense. To make sure you get a clear picture of what I’m trying to say here, let’s use this as a diagram.
X represents the past
Z represents the present
Y represents the future
And the entire line segment represents time in a linear fashion. Past going to the present which goes to the future.
What does the diagram have to do with this?
Based on how the current standards for Immeasurable Speed work, freely moving from the future to the past or from the present to the future with any given movement would be a way to achieve immeasurable speed.
So according to the line segment diagram I gave above, an immeasurable speed character would be moving from one point on the line segment to another point freely. Moving from Point X to Point Z, or from Point Y to X. Freely moving throughout the line segment that is linear time.
Okay, so where is the issue?
This is where the problem comes now. Let’s say Character A comes from a verse where there exists many higher dimensions, all of which are proven to transcend space and time. And Character A is able to physically travel to these higher dimensions freely, roam through them and can travel back to his 3-D realm. Again, as a speed feat and not done through teleportation abilities.
That means, instead of them simply moving between points X, Z and Y on the line segment, aka moving between the past, present and future, they are moving beyond all 3 of them entirely and into a place that exists beyond that of linear time. AND can freely travel back into linear time.
This is my main issue with the current standards. And if there’s an explanation for why we don’t accept the latter, someone please explain it to me as good as possible.
Because what I’m not understanding is how someone who is freely able to move beyond all of what linear time is cannot get the same speed rating as someone who can only move throughout linear time and not move outside of it.
IF anything, transcending space and time with your movements and freely moving back would imply you can freely move through linear time and then some anyway. Because before you can even transcend, your starting point would be anywhere from within linear time. That means you would need to move through linear time in order to then leave linear time from any given point before going on to transcending it. And in order to re-enter linear time, you would have to move through it as well to go back to your given point in time.
Example: Character A is from the present in his universe. He physically transcends time and space to enter 4-D space. And when coming back, he goes from 4-D space back into his present era.
Character A would have to move through the present to then leave the present to then transcend, and re-enter the present to come back. That would still be moving through linear time, the only difference is that Character A isn’t going to another point in time.
Tl;dr
Freely moving through linear time is clear and I have no issues or concerns with that.
What my concern here is why transcending it with sheer speed wouldn’t be given the same rating for all the reason I laid out.
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