Immeasurable speed, hyper timeline and temporal dimensions question?

[Cloelolo_60021]

1. Which one is faster:
A: Immeasurable speed into 6D (5 spatial dimensions + 1st temporal dimension)
B: Immeasurable speed into 5D (3 spatial dimensions + 2nd temporal dimensions)

2. 2nd temporal dimensions = hyper timeline? It’s true if someone said there’re 2ND temporal dimensions in the vers but here’s no hyper timeline, isn’t it the same thing?

3. Are there things exist in our standard? : temporal dimensions < spatial dimensions < timeline

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

While I personally disagree with the idea that "higher levels of immeasurable speed exist" and personally just believe it's a question of range, I will answer based on my understanding of the current system. Keep in mind I don't like dealing with cosmology...

1. Which one is faster:
A: Immeasurable speed into 6D (5 spatial dimensions + 1st temporal dimension)
B: Immeasurable speed into 5D (3 spatial dimensions + 2nd temporal dimensions)

B - Only the number of Temporal axis is relevant for "layered immeasurable speed."

2. 2nd temporal dimensions = hyper timeline? It’s true if someone said there’re 2ND temporal dimensions in the vers but here’s no hyper timeline, isn’t it the same thing?

Absolutely not, Having two temporal axis does not mean it's a Hypertimeline, to explain it a bit further. A Hypertimeline is when a single timeline contains multiple other timelines below it, while just having 2 temporal axis doesn't mean that the that we are talking about "timelines" at all, may as well be just a dimension with a time axis, containing smaller worlds with a "smaller" timeaxis.

3. Are there things exist in our standard? : temporal dimensions < spatial dimensions < timeline

No.

 

[JPTheGamer]

1. Which one is faster:
A: Immeasurable speed into 6D (5 spatial dimensions + 1st temporal dimension)
B: Immeasurable speed into 5D (3 spatial dimensions + 2nd temporal dimensions)

2. 2nd temporal dimensions = hyper timeline? It’s true if someone said there’re 2ND temporal dimensions in the vers but here’s no hyper timeline, isn’t it the same thing?

3. Are there things exist in our standard? : temporal dimensions < spatial dimensions < timeline

Immeasurable speed is technically movement unbound from the flow of linear time (the 4th dimension, I think), so any number of multiple temporal dimensions would grant said level of speed.

 

[Cloelolo_60021]

While I personally disagree with the idea that "higher levels of immeasurable speed exist" and personally just believe it's a question of range, I will answer based on my understanding of the current system. Keep in mind I don't like dealing with cosmology...


B - Only the number of Temporal axis is relevant for "layered immeasurable speed."


Absolutely not, Having two temporal axis does not mean it's a Hypertimeline, to explain it a bit further. A Hypertimeline is when a single timeline contains multiple other timelines below it, while just having 2 temporal axis doesn't mean that the that we are talking about "timelines" at all, may as well be just a dimension with a time axis, containing smaller worlds with a "smaller" timeaxis.


No.

Thank you so much for answer

 

[Cloelolo_60021]

While I personally disagree with the idea that "higher levels of immeasurable speed exist" and personally just believe it's a question of range, I will answer based on my understanding of the current system. Keep in mind I don't like dealing with cosmology...


B - Only the number of Temporal axis is relevant for "layered immeasurable speed."


Absolutely not, Having two temporal axis does not mean it's a Hypertimeline, to explain it a bit further. A Hypertimeline is when a single timeline contains multiple other timelines below it, while just having 2 temporal axis doesn't mean that the that we are talking about "timelines" at all, may as well be just a dimension with a time axis, containing smaller worlds with a "smaller" timeaxis.


No.

This might be off topic but I would like to ask more questions Since you are one of the knowledgeable people about MKG, and this question will be very helpful for the MKG fandom in my country. Almost all of them believe that there’s proof that Anos’ immeasurable speed is far beyond the 2nd temporal dimensions, and the cosmology shows that there are 2nd temporal dimensions, but there are still no official TLs yet. So it’s wank or no ? my apology if u don’t like this question

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

This might be off topic but I would like to ask more questions Since you are one of the knowledgeable people about MKG, and this question will be very helpful for the MKG fandom in my country. Almost all of them believe that there’s proof that Anos’ immeasurable speed is far beyond the 2nd temporal dimensions, and the cosmology shows that there are 2nd temporal dimensions, but there are still no official TLs yet. So it’s wank or no ? my apology if u don’t like this question

 

[Wesker018]

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Immeasurable speed is immeasurable speed. They are all the same

 

[Huesito88]

Immeasurable speed is immeasurable speed. They are all the same

....

 

[AyOgUyS]

Immeasurable speed is immeasurable speed. They are all the same

Imm speed characters blitzing imm speed characters:

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Imm speed characters blitzing imm speed characters:

This doesn't mean anything.

This site and other similar sites came up with the concept of immeasurable speed. It's not something that exists naturally in the vast majority of stories. Using plot and drama as way to say that some immeasurable characters are faster than others is nonsensical and just another form of calcstacking.

It also ignores skill, and the fact that people don't always move at max speed all the time. Characters can be caught off guard too.

 

[Huesito88]

This doesn't mean anything.

This site and other similar sites came up with the concept of immeasurable speed. It's not something that exists naturally in the vast majority of stories. Using plot and drama as way to say that some immeasurable characters are faster than others is nonsensical and just another form of calcstacking.

It also ignores skill, and the fact that people don't always move at max speed all the time. Characters can be caught off guard too.

Ok let's not turn this into a critique discussion regarding the sites standards. The question here is purely asking about our standards on this.

 

[Vietthai96]

Scaling chain exist though, or else how can we have people with infinite AP stomp other infinite AP, or immeasurable speed blitzing other immeasurable speed. Scaling chain is the core component of powerscaling

1. Which one is faster:
A: Immeasurable speed into 6D (5 spatial dimensions + 1st temporal dimension)
B: Immeasurable speed into 5D (3 spatial dimensions + 2nd temporal dimensions)

B is faster

2. 2nd temporal dimensions = hyper timeline? It’s true if someone said there’re 2ND temporal dimensions in the vers but here’s no hyper timeline, isn’t it the same thing?

Depend on how the verse in question elaborate on this 2nd temporal dimension

3. Are there things exist in our standard? : temporal dimensions < spatial dimensions < timeline

No, time axis and spatial axis are of different nature compare to each other, you can't compare them. Timeline is spatial dimension plus time dimension, it isn't in this equation

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Scaling chain exist though, or else how can we have people with infinite AP stomp other infinite AP, or immeasurable speed blitzing other immeasurable speed.

skill

Ok let's not turn this into a critique discussion regarding the sites standards. The question here is purely asking about our standards on this.

I’m not critiquing standards.

Nowhere in the speed page does it say more temporal dimensions make immeasurable characters faster. (Because that’s nonsensical).

 

[Vietthai96]

Well, yeah, standard didn't mention this kind of thing, however it is a thing before even the whole hypertimeline thing, just some profiles have it

Now let talk about why, time dimension work by snapshotting spatial dimensions it contains, so if your speed can't bypass the time dimension, mean your speed get "snap shotted" by time, now we can applies this to more higher time dimensions, if we have higher time dimensions, they will snap shotting lower time dimensions, so if your speed only bypass lower time dimensions, by this same very logic, said speed is still being snap shotted by higher time dimensions, so from higher time dimensions perspective, your speed is standstill, so if your speed bypass higher time dimensions, of course you will view immeasurable speed that bypass lower time dimensions as standstill, like how the higher time dimensions see the lower one

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Now let talk about why, time dimension work by snapshotting spatial dimensions it contains, so if your speed can't bypass the time dimension, mean your speed get "snap shotted" by time, now we can applies this to more higher time dimensions, if we have higher time dimensions, they will snap shotting lower time dimensions, so if your speed only bypass lower time dimensions, by this same very logic, said speed is still being snap shotted by higher time dimensions, so from higher time dimensions perspective, your speed is standstill, so if your speed bypass higher time dimensions, of course you will view immeasurable speed that bypass lower time dimensions as standstill, like how the higher time dimensions see the lower one

This is pure made up nonsense.

Speed is scalar and unaffected by dimensions.

Immeasurable speed comes from the fact that speed formula cannot be applied because distance and/or time variable cannot be measured. Adding more dimensions of time doesn’t change that.

Also, the whole point of immeasurable speed is that it is immeasurable, you cannot compare it anything.

 

[Vietthai96]

This is pure made up nonsense.

Speed is scalar and unaffected by dimensions.

Immeasurable speed comes from the fact that speed formula cannot be applied because distance and/or time variable cannot be measured. Adding more dimensions of time doesn’t change that.

Also, the whole point of immeasurable speed is that it is immeasurable, you cannot compare it anything.

Speed is unaffected by dimension

Literally immeasurable speed is obtain via bypassing time dimension

Of course unless you want to talk about 1-A which beyond all dimensions

The reason speed formula cannot be measure is because of the fact that immeasurable speed allow you to treat time as distance, you can't applies time to distance part of the formula

 

[Hirotoswnn1x]

While I personally disagree with the idea that "higher levels of immeasurable speed exist" and personally just believe it's a question of range, I will answer based on my understanding of the current system. Keep in mind I don't like dealing with cosmology...


B - Only the number of Temporal axis is relevant for "layered immeasurable speed."


Absolutely not, Having two temporal axis does not mean it's a Hypertimeline, to explain it a bit further. A Hypertimeline is when a single timeline contains multiple other timelines below it, while just having 2 temporal axis doesn't mean that the that we are talking about "timelines" at all, may as well be just a dimension with a time axis, containing smaller worlds with a "smaller" timeaxis.


No.

While I personally disagree with the idea that "higher levels of immeasurable speed exist" and personally just believe it's a question of range, I will answer based on my understanding of the current system. Keep in mind I don't like dealing with cosmology...


B - Only the number of Temporal axis is relevant for "layered immeasurable speed."


Absolutely not, Having two temporal axis does not mean it's a Hypertimeline, to explain it a bit further. A Hypertimeline is when a single timeline contains multiple other timelines below it, while just having 2 temporal axis doesn't mean that the that we are talking about "timelines" at all, may as well be just a dimension with a time axis, containing smaller worlds with a "smaller" timeaxis.


No.

I have a question.
So why is the 2nd temporal dimension faster? Is it because of the greater quantity of snapshots? If not, please elaborate. But if it is, I wonder what the difference is between a temporal dimension with snapshots as time and a temporal dimension with snapshots as 4D objects. Originally, they both have snapshots at the same level and in the same quantity. Is the reason temporal dimension affects the Tiering system because the object is simply a subset of itself? Doesn’t that mean that adding an extra time axis to scale speed is like the character moving through an uncountable infinite quantity of objects?

Can u explain pls?

 

[Cloelolo_60021]

Speed is unaffected by dimension

Literally immeasurable speed is obtain via bypassing time dimension

Of course unless you want to talk about 1-A which beyond all dimensions

The reason speed formula cannot be measure is because of the fact that immeasurable speed allow you to treat time as distance, you can't applies time to distance part of the formula

Can u answer this guy’s questions here

I have a question.
So why is the 2nd temporal dimension faster? Is it because of the greater quantity of snapshots? If not, please elaborate. But if it is, I wonder what the difference is between a temporal dimension with snapshots as time and a temporal dimension with snapshots as 4D objects. Originally, they both have snapshots at the same level and in the same quantity. Is the reason temporal dimension affects the Tiering system because the object is simply a subset of itself? Doesn’t that mean that adding an extra time axis to scale speed is like the character moving through an uncountable infinite quantity of objects?

Can u explain pls?

 

[AyOgUyS]

This doesn't mean anything.

This site and other similar sites came up with the concept of immeasurable speed. It's not something that exists naturally in the vast majority of stories. Using plot and drama as way to say that some immeasurable characters are faster than others is nonsensical and just another form of calcstacking.

It also ignores skill, and the fact that people don't always move at max speed all the time. Characters can be caught off guard too.

Well this has already been answered by another user but dude there are such things as higher levels of infinity and stuff.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Well this has already been answered by another user but dude there are such things as higher levels of infinity and stuff.

The existence of higher levels of infinity has nothing to do with the absurd idea that you can have higher levels of immeasurable speed. There is nothing in the current standards that says you can have higher levels of immeasurable speed.

 

[AyOgUyS]

The existence of higher levels of infinity has nothing to do with the absurd idea that you can have higher levels of immeasurable speed. There is nothing in the current standards that says you can have higher levels of immeasurable speed.

Let's say a certain character can restore time via sheer speed and dodge attacks from a temporally omnipresent being. Then, this other character speedblitzes the first dude. What is that, if not a higher level of immeasurable speed?

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Let's say a certain character can restore time via sheer speed and dodge attacks from a temporally omnipresent being. Then, this other character speedblitzes the first dude. What is that, if not a higher level of immeasurable speed?

skill, and the fact that people don't always move at max speed all the time. Characters can be caught off guard too. Also, even in the real world, a slower person can tag a faster person because of how acceleration works.

Again, this is just calc stacking. Now honestly I don’t want to derail this thread any longer. We can have a conversation else where if you wishz

 

[Huesito88]

Again, this is just calc stacking. Now honestly I don’t want to derail this thread any longer. We can have a conversation else where if you wishz

You could just make a discussion thread

 

[AyOgUyS]

skill, and the fact that people don't always move at max speed all the time. Characters can be caught off guard too. Also, even in the real world, a slower person can tag a faster person because of how acceleration works.

Again, this is just calc stacking. Now honestly I don’t want to derail this thread any longer. We can have a conversation else where if you wishz

1. I'm really sure Sonic was onguard when fighting Metal, there is no reason he shouldn't be
2. Yea sure, skill can bridge an infinite times gap in speed (at best, neither Sonic or Metal should be that much more skilled since they are consistent rivals on some occasions they can blitz the other like how Neo Metal blitzes Base Sonic, who has arguably imm speed)
3. 99% sure Super Sonic also blitzes Solaris during their fight to the death (so there's no reason Solaris shouldn't be on-guard and moving at max speed). Solaris is a temporally omnipresent character, meaning his attacks and movements are across all of time.

 

[Vietthai96]

How can you even calc stacking immeasurable speed, it is just simple scaling chain with A faster than B, B faster than C, A faster than C, etc....

 

[AyOgUyS]

How can you even calc stacking immeasurable speed, it is just simple scaling chain with A faster than B, B faster than C, A faster than C, etc....

Exactly

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

How can you even calc stacking immeasurable speed, it is just simple scaling chain with A faster than B, B faster than C, A faster than C, etc....

1. I'm really sure Sonic was onguard when fighting Metal, there is no reason he shouldn't be
2. Yea sure, skill can bridge an infinite times gap in speed (at best, neither Sonic or Metal should be that much more skilled since they are consistent rivals on some occasions they can blitz the other like how Neo Metal blitzes Base Sonic, who has arguably imm speed)
3. 99% sure Super Sonic also blitzes Solaris during their fight to the death (so there's no reason Solaris shouldn't be on-guard and moving at max speed). Solaris is a temporally omnipresent character, meaning his attacks and movements are across all of time.

Again, for the last time. Immeasurable speed is a rating we give. It is not a rating that exists naturally within the context of the vast majority of shows.

Rating a character as “immeasurable” and then going well this character blitz them so that guy has to be higher immeasurable is calc stacking 101.

The page even gives clear cut examples of this.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Again, for the last time. Immeasurable speed is a rating we give. It is not a rating that exists naturally within the context of the vast majority of shows.

Rating a character as “immeasurable” and then going well this character blitz them so that guy has to be higher immeasurable is calc stacking 101.

The page even gives clear cut examples of this.

So, lemme ask u this: if Super Sonic blitzing Solaris isn't a higher form of Immeasurable speed, what is it?

 

[Deleted member 40129]

So, lemme ask u this: if Super Sonic blitzing Solaris isn't a higher form of Immeasurable speed, what is it?

Skill issue
(Don't take this seriously, please)

 

[AyOgUyS]

Skill issue
(Don't take this seriously, please)

Dw i didnt take that seriously.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

So, lemme ask u this: if Super Sonic blitzing Solaris isn't a higher form of Immeasurable speed, what is it?

Plot.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Plot.

So ur saying that's PIS even tho it not only happens a lot, but is also quite consistent within Sonic? Stay ignorant.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Really, is it that hard to accept that some Immeasurable speed characters can be faster than others?
"Immeasurable speed is a rating we give. It is not a rating that exists naturally within the context of the vast majority of shows."
Guess what? Outerversal or Boundless or Inacessible speed don't exist naturally within the context of 99% of fiction either but it doesn't mean those concepts can't be chainscaled (not with tier 0 cuz boundless here is "nuh uh im the stronkest :/ )

 

[AyOgUyS]

Also, since you really seem to want all Immeasurable speed characters to be the same speed even when they blitz each other, go make a CRT or smth. We'll see how long that lasts.

 

[DivineAura44]

Really, is it that hard to accept that some Immeasurable speed characters can be faster than others?
"Immeasurable speed is a rating we give. It is not a rating that exists naturally within the context of the vast majority of shows."
Guess what? Outerversal or Boundless or Inacessible speed don't exist naturally within the context of 99% of fiction either but it doesn't mean those concepts can't be chainscaled (not with tier 0 cuz boundless here is "nuh uh im the stronkest :"

Boundless characters are typically made with far more intentionality though, especially considering how much more evidence is needed. Not saying immeasurable is just stumbled upon but...

 

[Hirotoswnn1x]

Well, yeah, standard didn't mention this kind of thing, however it is a thing before even the whole hypertimeline thing, just some profiles have it

Now let talk about why, time dimension work by snapshotting spatial dimensions it contains, so if your speed can't bypass the time dimension, mean your speed get "snap shotted" by time, now we can applies this to more higher time dimensions, if we have higher time dimensions, they will snap shotting lower time dimensions, so if your speed only bypass lower time dimensions, by this same very logic, said speed is still being snap shotted by higher time dimensions, so from higher time dimensions perspective, your speed is standstill, so if your speed bypass higher time dimensions, of course you will view immeasurable speed that bypass lower time dimensions as standstill, like how the higher time dimensions see the lower one

What you’re talking about is related to the distance and number of snapshots, isn’t it? How is this different from a 5D spatial dimension that has uncountable 4D objects as its subsets? But you can’t compare it to the distance in higher spatial dimensions you’re merely moving through an object that is just a subset of it. I think there is a practical difference, but I don’t understand why it would matter if the temporal dimension has the same level, with snapshots of the same quality. Their equations would probably be:

• 4Dobjects(x + y + z + t) + temporal = (x1, y1, z1, t1), (x2, y2, z2, t2), ….

• Temporal + temporal = t1, t2, t3, t4, …

why does the number of temporal dimensions matter if they have snapshots on the same level and the same quality? Can u explain more ?

 

[AyOgUyS]

Boundless characters are typically made with far more intentionality though, especially considering how much more evidence is needed. Not saying immeasurable is just stumbled upon but...

Fair

 

[Voidnether]

In the end, it's rated as far higher anyways and Speed Equalization exist for a reason