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Imaginary Revisions (Adding a P&A for Honkaiverse)

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The purpose of this revision is to add a verse-specific P&A for some characters and to introduce Imaginary as a concept for Hoyo.

The page is here

Law Manipulation & Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1 - 12-D, possibly Ω; Imaginary is a concept[1] that governs from individual objects[2] to realities such as the Imaginary Space,[3][4] which comes from the Imaginary Tree, a higher-dimensional realm[5][6] that exists beyond the Sea of Quanta,[7][3] which is an 11-dimensional space,[8] being the realm[9] of absolute infinity,[4] the origin of the universe, laws and truth, built upon rules above rules,[10][11][6] the world of ideas,[1][3] the origin of all abstract concepts[6][1] such as Ideas, which are concepts that shape reality, but not the opposite,[1] as they are transcendent over them.[3] The Cocoon of Finality could also create the Herrscher of Finality using Imaginary Energy[1] as an abstract concept[9] governing time[12] and independent from it.[12] Imaginary things are representantion of something more abstract,[13] with Paths being a part of the Imaginary element,[14] representing unique ideals and philosophical concepts through the universeImaginary Tree,[15] which, in turn, are congregations of Imaginary Energy,[16][14] with the Imaginary Law being the law of the universe, the unbreakable law above all other laws[17])

Chaos Manipulation & Information Manipulation (Type 2 - 12-D, possibly Ω; Imaginary Energy and information have a strong interrelationship, being capable of increasing and decreasing entropy of systems, which is described as informational asymmetries between chaotic and ordered information[18][19])

Spatial Manipulation & Higher-Dimensional Manipulation (12-D, possibly Ω; Imaginary Energy can be used to tear through space to create Anchors,[19] which generally are special types of higher-dimensional structures[20])

Energy Manipulation & Reality Warping (12-D, possibly Ω; Imaginary Energy allows the user to control the universe,[21] as Imaginary Energy can twist the reality itself.[21] With the Imaginary Space and its properties being inherently capable of defying reality[19])

Quantum Manipulation (12-D, possibly Ω; Imaginary Energy has the power to change the unitarity of the quantum distribution to cause quantization,[22] with this[22][23] phenomenon referring to vanishing into the unknown, loss and destabilization of a physical existence into a quantum form[24] that exists as a pure consciousness,[25] being neither alive nor dead[25])

Imaginary Imprisonment (12-D, possibly Ω; Imaginary Energy can inflict the Imprisonment effect, which significantly slower the target's speed[26])


Who will get it?
Aeons
Emanators (Acheron, Sunday, Phantylia, Jing Yuan, Black Swan, Aventurine of Stratagems)
Kiana in her Cocoon of Finality key (Though, her AE should be moved to the Herrscher of Finality key)
Doomsday Beast
Cocolia
Himeko, March 7th, Trailblazer, Dan Heng resistances
 
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I'm not sure what is being proposed, title sounds too simplistic and there are no verse tags.
 
What is Ω supposed to mean?

Law Manipulation & Conceptual Manipulation

You haven't presented any examples of existing concepts/laws being altered or brand new ones being created.

Chaos Manipulation & Information Manipulation

I don't see information manip applying. The information itself isn't changing, just the "order" of it.

Chaos Manip would be limited.

Spatial Manipulation & Higher-Dimensional Manipulation

Tearing through space would be limited Spatial Manip.

Characters that can just move or otherwise physically handle higher- or lower-dimensional objects can receive "Limited Dimensional Manipulation".

Energy Manipulation & Reality Warping

Both seem fine.

Quantum Manipulation

Seems okay.

Imaginary Imprisonment

I suppose this is fine.
 
What is Ω supposed to mean?

Law Manipulation & Conceptual Manipulation

You haven't presented any examples of existing concepts/laws being altered or brand new ones being created.

Chaos Manipulation & Information Manipulation

I don't see information manip applying. The information itself isn't changing, just the "order" of it.

Chaos Manip would be limited.

I gave it, though, Sirin adding Imaginary properties to objects to make them Imaginary by abstracting it, Kiana destroying Imaginary itself to destroy the Imaginary authority and an Imaginary Space, CoF creating the abstract concept of Finality using Imaginary Energy, there's also scans for laws/truth/rules in the op too.

Changing the order of the information would still be a form of information manipulation, no?
 
I gave it, though, Sirin adding Imaginary properties to objects to make them Imaginary by abstracting it, Kiana destroying Imaginary itself to destroy the Imaginary authority and an Imaginary Space, CoF creating the abstract concept of Finality using Imaginary Energy, there's also scans for laws/truth/rules in the op too.
I can see creating/destroying concepts but not changing the definitions of existing concepts.

Just creating/destroying would be Limited CM and LM
Changing the order of the information would still be a form of information manipulation, no?
Unsure since the information still stays the same. Only the "entropy" of it changes. I will confer with other staff more.
 
Regarding the limited rating, the conceptual manipulation page already notes that manipulators are limited to only what they show, it would be redundant to mention this in the profiles, something that the page already does, otherwise all concept manipulators would have limited in their profiles, which is something that doesn't happen. Another thing is that we don't really enforce “limited” in these cases, by the same logic, people who can create fire/ice would only have limited fire/ice manipulation. We don't uphold this standard for any other ability.

I don't have a problem with spatial hax being limited though. Edit: About the info stuff, altering information in any way qualifies for it, but even so, we are told that Imaginary Energy/Honkai Energy and information have a strong interrelationship, allowing it to increase and decrease entropy, This scan in particular is easier to read telling us more about this, since the mechanism of the energy works by the increase of entropy and also tells us that it is a form of reality warping. This should be enough to qualify based on this passage on the Information manipulation page.
 
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