Ikki vs Raphtalia

[YungManzi]

Ikki Kurogane

Vs.

Raphtalia (Light Novel)


Skilled Boi


Katana Hero

Speed is equal. Start in their strongest base forms. No Desperado. They both have knowledge of how powerful and skilled their opponent is. The battle takes place in Q'ten Lo and they start 50m away from one another.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Ikki death haxes. Not even a fight.

 

[YungManzi]

Death hax is only with desperado. Which Sakura Stone of Destiny barrier negs.

The idea behind this is basically Raphtalia vs. Ikki (With OP skill, but without OP hax)

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Why would the Sakura Stone of Destiny neg?

 

[YungManzi]

I'm certain it/the aura can be equalized to be either magic, soul power, or life-force energy. All of which the barrier would negate.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

It doesn't equalize to either.

Rakudai has all of those, neither of those are Desperado.

 

[YungManzi]

So what would you say it is? Or rather, how is it described?

It can also negate a whole host of other things if that's not it.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

It's acausality.

 

[YungManzi]

I mean...like, the actual thing...

Or the aura.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

It is that though. Acausuality is a physical state, doesn't need anything else to keep it going.

And it doesn't have anything else. They are simply outside of fate and can control it.

 

[YungManzi]

I mean the additional abilities that come from it.

Isn't it like a transformation?

 

[YungManzi]

If not, it being in a seperate key sure made that shit confusing.

 

[Schnee_One]

Desperado can be active even in SSSAF Arc Ikki, it's not seoerated by the keys as it's a state he reached

 

[YungManzi]

Is it something he has to activate?

Edit:

Also, it is indeed in a different ability key.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I mean the additional abilities that come from it.
Isn't it like a transformation?

They are all deriving abilities from being outside of fate and causality.

It's a form of awakening. You break through fate.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Is it something he has to activate?

It's like having to activate the state of being 3D or the state of being human. He just is.

 

[YungManzi]

Screw it then, no desperado, since this is getting confusing.

The aura itself is acausality? WTF.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Screw it then, no desperado, since this is getting confusing.
The aura itself is acausality? WTF.

The aura itself is a byproduct of acausality.

Same as how having a soul, mind, consciousness etc are a byproduct of being alive.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

So then if there's no Desperado. Ikki enters barrier. Sword disappears?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I guess he would have to fight without his sword, given that he knows about the barrier (OP gave knowledge).

 

[YungManzi]

To make up for Ikki no longer having desperado, I took away prep.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

I guess Ikki strangles with SKILL

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Tis a stomp

What do you expect ikki to do against a 7-A without a sword, magic or desperado?

 

[YungManzi]

Well, without prep, Raphtalia actually has to cast an incantation before the barrier activates.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

I mean ikki still has to wait for her to attack if he wants to Madoka that.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

The aura itself is a byproduct of acausality.

Same as how having a soul, mind, consciousness etc are a byproduct of being alive.

For an analogy, I recently gained immunity to drag from water, allowing me to manipulate the water to a great degree.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Those are 2 unrelated things though.

Think of how being 3D allows you to manipulate 2D drawings. Similarly, being above fate allows you to manipulate the fate of everyone within it.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

I was saying that I can control it more because it doesn't resist me.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Why would you be able to control water if it doesn't drag you anymore?

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Because there's no resistance, extending my arm seamlessly passes the force into the water.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Because there's no resistance, extending my arm seamlessly passes the force into the water.

Yes, but it just means you cannot interact with it at all.

The only reason interaction with fluids is possible is due to drag. The same reason you can only feel the air if you're running (drag increases). If that is gone you cannot interact with it, as the molecules would directly avoid contact with you.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

If the molecules avoid contact with me, then that could still create the same effect. My ability to derail Rakudai threads astounds me.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Invulnerability, not intangibility.

Yes, but the only way you interact with molecules is through drag, as, you cannot literally push molecules away like that. However when you move the molecules have to move to get out of your way so that you can move, when the molecules can't get away fast enough it creates drag. That's drag. That's why you feel the water pushing your hand when you put it in a river for example.

Without it, you'd be able to hold the water in your hands, but nothing else, the water wouldn't stick to your hand (you could get your hand out of the water and have it be completely dry) and it would be unable to push you. That's drag.

It's not intangibility, but without drag, that'd be the effect.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

I think it has more to do with inertia. I edited the thing above.

 

[Ionliosite]

What's up with this conversation? LOL

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

My ability to derail Rakudai threads astounds me.