Iihiko Resistance Additions + Ability Rewrites

[Agnaa]

Iihiko's said to resist all of Medaka's abilities, but he doesn't actually have resistance listed to everything she can do. Here's a list of missing resistances:

Telepathy/Mind Reading, Fire Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, Power Mimicry, Corrosion Inducement, Power Absorption, and Perception Manipulation

I didn't include Statistics Reduction, Sealing, and Durability Negation from Bookmaker, and the Disease Manipulation from Five Focus in this resistance list since those both require the target to be damaged to activate. If he can't be damaged by screws or her nails, then Bookmaker/Five Focus can't activate, and he can't resist its effects.

EDIT: Iapitus has rewritten some abilities on Iihiko's page to explain them better.

Ability Rewrites
Omni-Weapon Proficiency: Iihiko's proof of worth. He can use almost any object in the enviroment as a weapon, and use it to an incredibly effective degree. He was able to pick up Zenkichi's glasses, and use it with such skill that he was able to match Medaka is close combat. He can use the air itself as a weapon, or grab a still living person on the battle field and use them with almost perfect skill. He managed to take a rubber band, and bisect Ajimu in a single shot. His ability to wield almost anything as a weapon is tied in with his other ability, Irreversible Destruction, as all of them take on the same properties, with almost all of them seemingly bypass durability. How he chooses his weapons is not clear and seemingly arbitrary to an on looker, but he can apparently distinguish the most effective weapon for the given situation, and find which tool is most compatible with his powers.

Subjective Immunity: That which Iihiko does not recognize, does not effect him. While Iihiko is incredibly durable, that is not what makes him so hard to kill. It is the combination of the defensive aspect of Irreversible Destruction and this ability that makes him borderline invincible. Making Iihiko recognize attacks is incredibly difficult. When kicked in the face, he perceived it as nothing more than a mosquito bite. Even if an attack is powerful enough to damage him, it does not mean it will effect him. He was stabbed full of swords, but perceived it as no more an acupuncture, so he took no meaningful damage despite the sword sticking into him. He was struck with massive bolts of electricity, but her perceived it as nothing more "Low Grade Electra-Shock Therapy," so it dealt no damage and only managed to relax him. He does not seem to recognize Abnormalities or Minuses at all, and as such he is not effected by them. It is unclear if it is a product of this ability or Irreversible Destruction, but he can also seemingly ignore defensive abilities that he does not recognize as well. If one can manage to make Iihiko recognize an attack, then he must defend. However, an enemy may be better off if he did not recognize their techniques to begin with, as the alternative can be far worse.

Irreversible Destruction: Any damage Iihiko deals to the world does not heal; Shiranui states he was a man born to destroy the world. Whether natural or skill based, Iihiko's actions cannot be recovered from. That includes even unconventional ways of healing such as Kumagawa's All Fiction. However, the true horror of this ability manifests itself in the defensive application; the stronger an attack used against him, the further the attack itself will be "broken", and never return to normal. An arm used to punch him will be permanently broken, and superpowers will often become unusable. He will also no longer recognize any ability or technique previously used against him as an attack, so even if the power is somehow still functional after being used on him, it will not effect him anyway. However, if Iihiko is defeated, then the damage will become reparable. This ability is ludicrously hard to define by a tier.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I agree of course

 

[Paul_Frank]

Since we disregard the statements of him being higher dimensional as the reason for him resisting everything yeah this makes sense

 

[Wokistan]

If she had the powers when she fought him, then sure.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

@Wokistan

By the way, we got a new profile for one of the Medaka Box high tiers with a massive arsinal: Fukurou Tsurubami. What do you think of him? Got any match ideas?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I am gonna bring up some more stuff to do with Iihiko since matches are open. I'll copy paste what I said in the other threads, and which should be added.

My issue with iihiko matches are more that he is almost impossible to take without the context of The Hero. Sure both him and Medaka have their powers linked to The Hero, like Medaka's increased development speed literally let her crap out a new form when she lost even tho she had just made a new form, basically letting her justify an in universe recognised ass pull. However, Iihiko's irreversible destruction and ability to shrug off any ability that he doesn't recognise as an attack are almost always set along side the context of The Hero, like him being able to destroy both Hanten and Ajimu in combat with the duel explanation of his ability and status. Iihiko also managed to take out probably the biggest threat to him just by luck alone, just cuz he landed in a good place for his irreversible destruction to work its magic.

I think a note does need to be put on his profile about this in some way, perhaps along side the already existent note about him being stated higher dimensional or should be added to the description of irreversible destruction, but if you do not think it is necesarry then fine. But I do think the description for some of his powers needs more work tho, like the fact that abilities don't work on him if he does not recognise them is rather an after note when that is one of the reasons he is so hard to deal with

Here is a thread where some of the issues where raised before.

I think his profile gives the wrong message due to what is emphasised. Having his defensive abilities described as "Superhuman Durability" gives the wrong idea since his durability isn't really what is impressive, it is his ability to not be effected by anything that he does not recognise. A name change would probably be good. I can copy paste the points from that thread if people would like, but you can also just read that thread since it basically covers everything I wanted to say

 

[Agnaa]

(I have read the thread you've linked already)

The way I take references to heroes in Medaka Box is either something like "They are rare heroes, therefore they are powerful" or "They are powerful, therefore they are heroes", not "They are heroes and that is their power". It doesn't seem like "heroism" is a specific power in itself, or at least its effects go just about no further than the supernatural luck for abnormals, it more seems like "The Hero" is a title for exceptionally powerful people.

I don't think a note about The Hero should be included in the profile, but if you can come up with a rewrite for Iihiko's powers that emphasizes how they function better, and gives them better names than "Superhuman strength" and "Superhuman durability", I'll edit those suggestions into the OP.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I do not think it is just about power, I think it is that they are, as Ajimu puts it, "Interesting." I remember Iihiko seemingly lost his Hero status at the end of the Unknown Shiranui arc because he did something that crossed the line. Ajimu was able to pick out Bami as a "Dark Hero" because he was, as she put it, "Interesting." They are interesting, so interesting things happen around them, although i don't know which causes which. That is basically what Devil Style nullifies, and why many writers would find it appauling. I also remember Ajimu originally thought Kumagawa might have been something like a hero, but she says she was ultimately wrong. If I had to guess what she was picking up on, its that he is destined to almost always lose. I am gonna try and find a better way to put this.

I was saying maybe that it is relatively linked, and that should be mentioned in some capacity, or at least that the 2 are hard to distinguish. I'll write out some modified descriptions

 

[Agnaa]

I'd rather keep it more matter of fact with the explicit stuff said in the story. Stuff like "Damage he deals does not heal", "Only attacks that he recognizes as attacks damage him", "Iihiko no longer recognizes techniques as attacks after they've been used against him once", "Successful attacks against him get broken themselves and do not heal". Stuff like that should be emphasized, cleared up, and cited better.

I don't think the hero stuff plays into his set of abilities very much.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I think some kind of page could be made, since I honestly do not know what to call the first power, but this can be a place holder. Lancelot has basically the same ability, or an incredibly similar one:

Omni-Weapon Proficiency: One of Iihiko's proof of worth. He can use almost any object in the enviroment as a weapon, and use it to an incredibly effective degree. He was able to pick up Zenkichi's glasses, and use it with such skill that he was able to match Medaka is close combat. He can use the air itself as a weapon, or grab a still living person on the battle field and use them with almost perfect skill. He managed to take a rubber band, and bisect Ajimu in a single shot. His ability to wield almost anything as a weapon is tied in with his other ability, Irreversible Destruction, as all of them take on the same properties, with almost all of them seemingly bypass durability. How he chooses his weapons is not clear and seemingly arbitrary to an on looker, but he can apparently distinguish the most effective weapon for the given situation, and find which tool is most compatible with his powers.

 

[Agnaa]

Great stuff. Tell me when you're done with all the ability rewrites.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Subjective Immunity: That which Iihiko does not recognize, does not effect him. While Iihiko is incredibly durable, that is not what makes him so hard to kill. It is the combination of the defensive aspect of Irreversible Destruction and this ability that makes him borderline invincible. Making Iihiko recognize attacks is incredibly difficult. When kicked in the face, he perceived it as nothing more than a mosquito bite. Even if an attack is powerful enough to damage him, it does not mean it will effect him. He was stabbed full of swords, but percieved it as no more an acupuncture, so he took no meaningful damage despite the sword sticking into him. He was struck with massive bolts of electricity, but her perceived it as nothing more "Low Grade Electra-Shock Therapy," so it dealt no damage and only managed to relax him. He does not seem to recognize Abnormalities or Minus at all, and as such he is not effected by them. It is unclear if it is a product of this ability or Irreversible Destruction, but he can also seemingly ignore defensive abilities that he does not recognize as well. If one can manage to make Iihiko recognize an attack, then he must defend. However, an enemy may be better off if he did not recognize their techniques to begin with, as the alternative can be far worse.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Irreversible Destruction: Any damage Iihiko deals to the world does not heal; Shiranui states he was a man born to destroy the world. Whether natural or skill based, Iihiko's actions cannot be recovered from. That includes even unconventional ways of healing such as Kumagawa's All Fiction. However, the true horror of this ability manifests itself in the defensive application; the stronger an attack used against him, the further the attack itself will be "broken", and never return to normal. An arm used to punch him will be permanently broken, and superpowers will often become unusable. He will also no longer recognize any ability or technique previously used against him as an attack, so even if the power is still somehow still functional after being used on him, it will not effect him anyway. However, if Iihiko is defeated, then the damage will become reparable. This ability is ludicrously hard to define by a tier.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

There we go, that's all 3. I can give scans as well if that is necesary, but I think these should be good. Anything that you think should be added?

 

[Agnaa]

Nothing comes to mind, I'll add them to the OP.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Wait, I forgot to add something to the middle one

 

[Agnaa]

Can do.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I added it. I think these are all good now. I think Subjective Immunity is a good name, but if a better name for Omni-Weapon Proficiency comes to mind then we can go with that

 

[Agnaa]

Thanks for rewriting them. I fixed a few grammar things when pasting them into the OP so use that version when applying it.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that this probably seems fine.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

If this is all agreed to, can we go ahead and get this added?

 

[Antvasima]

Probably yes.

 

[Agnaa]

Could you unlock his page, Ant?

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[Agnaa]

I'm done.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Should we close this thread?

 

[Agnaa]

Yep.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will do so.