I got a question About space time

[Shigeonnt]

Good evening, I wanted to ask. if a dimension (basically another space) has a different time flow inside it, where the time passing there is totally different from the real world, would that count as a dimension with a different space-time or not?

 

[ByArrow]

Good evening, I wanted to ask. if a dimension (basically another space) has a different time flow inside it, where the time passing there is totally different from the real world, would that count as a dimension with a different space-time or not?

It would count.

 

[AlexSamDen]

It wouldn't, as our Universe page states

It should be noted that variations in the flow of time, such as faster or slower rates, do not necessarily indicate the existence of separate universes or space-time continuums. This phenomenon can occur within a single universe or pocket dimension, and therefore does not serve as sufficient evidence for the existence of multiple universes or space-time continuums

Even if the time flows in a different direction, it does not count

 

[ByArrow]

It wouldn't, as our Universe page states

Even if the time flows in a different direction, it does not count

The Universe page states that time flows more slowly on another planet or point in the universe doesn’t prove that there’s a different spacetime or universe at that point. But OP is talking about a different dimension and mentions that time exists in that dimension. Therefore, it would be count as a spacetime.

 

[AlexSamDen]

The Universe page states that time flows more slowly on another planet or point in the universe doesn’t prove that there’s a different spacetime or universe at that point. But OP is talking about a different dimension and mentions that time exists in that dimension. Therefore, it would be count as a spacetime.

We cannot know for sure that this dimension isn't a part of the same time axis, just with a different flow. As long as objects are not separated by temporal means, they can still technically be considered parts of the same big ahh universe
Pocket realities are also usually different dimensions and often have a slowed down time flow compared to the outside, but they are still perfectly within the same time axis

 

[ByArrow]

We cannot know for sure that this dimension isn't a part of the same time axis, just with a different flow. As long as objects are not separated by temporal means, they can still technically be considered parts of the same big ahh universe

The general assumption is that the universe is only the universe. If the verse states that there are other existences such as universe 2 or earth 2 or dimension 23 or other dimensions, the general assumption is that they are not part of the space-time of the main universe. To say this, contrary to what you said, no extra evidence of temporal separation is required; on the contrary, evidence is required to say that they are part of the space-time of the main universe.

 

[ByArrow]

Pocket realities are also usually different dimensions and often have a slowed down time flow compared to the outside, but they are still perfectly within the same time axis

Because, by definition, pocket realities are part of the universe and spacetime in which they exist.

 

[AlexSamDen]

The general assumption is that the universe is only the universe. If the verse states that there are other existences such as universe 2 or earth 2 or dimension 23 or other dimensions, the general assumption is that they are not part of the space-time of the main universe

We actually do consider the possibility of a "general universe" in our tiering system

It should be recognized that travel between universes is not feasible unless through the use of a portal or similar unusual mechanisms. This is because it should be impossible for two distinct universes to be connected by a path that only goes through regular 3 dimensional space. Universes must be separated by something other than 3 dimensional distance or physical barriers, otherwise they would be considered to both be part of one large universe for our tiering purposes

When considering "dimensions" or "universes", one should keep in mind that time travel should not be possible between universes which we factually know are not branching timelines off each other. If this happens it could be used to show that they are actually part of the same universe.

In Universe-sized realms, to qualify for it being a separate L2C structure it has to fulfill this part

If they are outright stated to be completely separated by the barriers of time and space and either stated or shown to be reasonable in size, such as having countless galaxies, then they should indeed be universes.

Furthermore, there are certain qualifications for it to be considered a space-time continuum

In order for something to qualify as a proper space-time continuum in regard to some feat usually one of two following two criteria should be met:

It is explicitly stated to be a "Space-time continuum" or something equivalent.

It fulfills the standards for being a universe-sized realm (see the first section of this page) and all of its time is also involved in its feat. I.e. the structure involved in the feat is the timeline of an entire universe.

Some of the qualifications for the second option I demonstrated above. If you read carefully, the dimension described by OP foes not fall under criteria and therefore doesn't qualify

 

[ByArrow]

We actually do consider the possibility of a "general universe" in our tiering system

It should be recognized that travel between universes is not feasible unless through the use of a portal or similar unusual mechanisms. This is because it should be impossible for two distinct universes to be connected by a path that only goes through regular 3 dimensional space. Universes must be separated by something other than 3 dimensional distance or physical barriers, otherwise they would be considered to both be part of one large universe for our tiering purposes

When considering "dimensions" or "universes", one should keep in mind that time travel should not be possible between universes which we factually know are not branching timelines off each other. If this happens it could be used to show that they are actually part of the same universe.

As I said, that's not the general assumption; evidence is needed to show that this is the case, and in what you quoted, it says that if there is evidence showing this, they will be considered part of the same universe. If someone says in the verse that there are multiple universes, we accept those universes as separate universes. There is no need for a scan that says they are somehow separated from each other.

In Universe-sized realms, to qualify for it being a separate L2C structure it has to fulfill this part

If they are outright stated to be completely separated by the barriers of time and space and either stated or shown to be reasonable in size, such as having countless galaxies, then they should indeed be universes.

This is just one of the requirements for accepting that the dimension in question is the same size as the universe. But we are not discussing that here. We are discussing whether the dimension OP mentioned has space-time. And there is no rule that every space-time must be Low 2-C.

Furthermore, there are certain qualifications for it to be considered a space-time continuum

In order for something to qualify as a proper space-time continuum in regard to some feat usually one of two following two criteria should be met:

It is explicitly stated to be a "Space-time continuum" or something equivalent.

OP said that dimension is a different space and clearly has time.

It fulfills the standards for being a universe-sized realm (see the first section of this page) and all of its time is also involved in its feat. I.e. the structure involved in the feat is the timeline of an entire universe.

Again, we are not discussing whether the dimension in question is a universe-sized realm. Or whether this dimension is a Low 2-C structure.

We are only discussing whether the dimension in question possesses spacetime. Possessing spacetime does not automatically make that structure Low 2-C. For it to be Low 2-C, it must meet one of the requirements listed on the page you referenced, but those requirements exist only to state that the dimension is Low 2-C, not to state that it possesses spacetime.

Some of the qualifications for the second option I demonstrated above. If you read carefully, the dimension described by OP foes not fall under criteria and therefore doesn't qualify

The dimension described by OP does not meet the Low 2-C requirements, but it does meet the requirements to be considered space-time.

 

[AlexSamDen]

OP said that dimension is a different space and clearly has time.

But there is no proof that this time is separate from the mai one

 

[ByArrow]

But there is no proof that this time is separate from the mai one

There is no need for direct evidence that they are separated temporally. There is evidence that this dimension is a place separate from the universe.

• This dimension is called a dimension, and in fiction, dimension is a word often used for different universes and spacetime, and OP said this dimension is a different space. So it's saying it's a different space from the universe.

• If they're stated to mirror "The Universe" or "Our Universe" or "The Real World", they would refer to being universes.

• OP compared the time flow of this dimension to the real world. The real world here means the universe. Here, OP again implies that this dimension is a place different from the universe and says that it has a flow of time.

These are sufficient to say that this dimension is a different place from the universe and possesses space-time. But they do not provide any tier.

 

[ByArrow]

But if you want, we can also ask a staff member to provide the input.

 

[AlexSamDen]

There is no need for direct evidence that they are separated temporally. There is evidence that this dimension is a place separate from the universe

No, from our Tiering system FAQ page about the influence of time on dimensionality

Things like timelines having time that passes at different rates would not qualify, as even the theory of general relativity already establishes that with just one regular time dimension time can flow at different rates in different places. Time flowing backwards in another universe would also not qualify it to have an additional time dimension, as it would still use the same directions of past and future as regular time, just with events playing out in reverse. For the same reasons, statements about independent time streams or of separate kinds of time, which could flow parallel to the original time, would not qualify.

• This dimension is called a dimension, and in fiction, dimension is a word often used for different universes and spacetime, and OP said this dimension is a different space.

Don't use Wikipedia terms in this regard as a basis for scaling arguments when we have already established standats

• OP compared the time flow of this dimension to the real world. The real world here means the universe.

Yeah, and the part you quoted talks about them mirroring the entire universe and not just comparing their flow of time

 

[ByArrow]

No, from our Tiering system FAQ page about the influence of time on dimensionality

It is talking about an extra temporal dimension, and this has nothing to do with this topic.

Don't use Wikipedia terms in this regard as a basis for scaling arguments when we have already established standats

There is no definition of the meaning of the word “dimension” on vsbattle. And yes, you can use Wikipedia here.

Yeah, and the part you quoted talks about them mirroring the entire universe and not just comparing their flow of time

I mentioned that comparing time flow here shows that they are different time flow. It looks like we won't be able to get anywhere. So it would be best to wait for a staff member to comment.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Good evening, I wanted to ask. if a dimension (basically another space) has a different time flow inside it, where the time passing there is totally different from the real world, would that count as a dimension with a different space-time or not?

What kind of dimension is it? Need more context.

 

[Shigeonnt]

What kind of dimension is it? Need more context.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/lets-re-do-this-tier-3-taizai.184443/

Please check out this CRT, this is the dimension I was talking about

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/lets-re-do-this-tier-3-taizai.184443/

Please check out this CRT, this is the dimension I was talking about

No, that's not enough.