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[Hl3_or_bust]

The point is that Kars was able to copy 4D range

 

[Paul_Frank]

>2-C range

Excuse me

 

[Firephoenixearl]

The point is that Kars was able to copy 4D range

That's not equaling to copying 4D potency though. As i said The Operator:

Low Multiversal (When manipulating the energy of the void the operators can keep connection with the warframes and can affect them even when one of them is in the rift, furthermore the Void Energy comes from another dimension)

Doesn't mean him using his power is 4D.

 

[Paul_Frank]

That's absolutely not a range feat for the operator but thats for the inevitable downgrade crt

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

I never said ithat The Operator had 4D hax due to the range, since that range stat is dumb anyways since the justification is him controlling a Warframe from that distance, not haxing someone from that distance

 

[Firephoenixearl]

That's absolutely not a range feat for the operator but thats for the inevitable downgrade crt

That's 2 dimensions at least. 3 with Wisp's dimension. And 4 if we count the dimension of the void itself. You can't even downgrade it, all you can do is stare in awe

 

[Genericstickman]

Pretty sure MiH is like the only tier 2 stand in Jojo.

bohemian rhapsody

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Pretty sure MiH is like the only tier 2 stand in Jojo.

bohemian rhapsody

Wuts dat?

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

Ungalo

 

[Genericstickman]

it's got 2-C summoning and possibly even higher

 

[Firephoenixearl]

That's just summoning, but ok you got me. xD

 

[TacticalNuke002]

It can summon a tier 0 as long as its actual fiction and not an author avatar

 

[Genericstickman]

I mean does the Lovecraft Mythos exist in Jojo OvO?

 

[PsychoWarper]

The World Over Heaven is tier 2.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

The World Over Heaven is tier 2.

It was downgraded long time ago. I think rn the best it can go for is High 3-A.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

It's hax

4D hax

 

[PsychoWarper]

GER has 4-D Causality Hax and TWOH has 4-D Reality Warping iirc.

Also on its profile its still "Multiverse level+ with Reality Overwrite (Overwrote the abilities of Johnny's Tusk Act 4 and Giorno's GER. Is also more powerful than Pucci's MiH and Valentine's D4C. Was overwriting the entire JoJo reality, which has been stated to contain an infinite number of parallel universes. Overwrote Funny Valentine's existence so that he no longer existed anywhere in the multiverse, completely nullifying D4C)"

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Yes it's 4d. Ger is 4d. And tbe 2a was debunked long time ago. Erasing FV is not a 2a feat. That's why the best feat is 4d h3a via affecting ger.

 

[PsychoWarper]

Ok but 4-D is tier 2 so the stand has a tier 2 ability.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Nah 4d is high 3a. Universal busting 4d is tier 2.

 

[Hl3_or_bust]

"Was overwriting the entire JoJo reality, which has been stated to contain an infinite number of parallel universes"

what exactly is the reasoning for the downgrade when this is on the profile

 

[PsychoWarper]

JoJo downplay

 

[Genericstickman]

technically the justification is correct, he did rewrite an infinite number of parallel universes to erase Valentine from all of them

 

[Firephoenixearl]

People said he never overwrote anything besides valentine and since other stuff. He never fully overwrote 1 universe let alone infinite.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

i don't know make a thread about it.

 

[Genericstickman]

him using RO is him rewriting reality rather then him rewriting a single thing

 

[Firephoenixearl]

him using RO is him rewriting reality rather then him rewriting a single thing

That was never said iirc. If you're using the name no. It's called reality overwrite not rewrite.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Void energy may negate adaptation but unless the Operator decides to actually enter the battlefield, Kars adapts. And once the Operator actually enters the battlefield, Kars understands and D4C's the flip outta there and spams clones of himself.

Plus, once Operator decides to finally show their face, Kars can understand and copy anyway, allowing him to use Void energy. Also SBA rules means the Operator's ship is within 4km. Kars can literally just flip the country like he did in the novel.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

You didn't get it. Everything the warframes do is void energy based. You cannot addapt to the warframe abilities because they all are void energy just focused in a different way.

And no as i said. The operator is not in the fight. The Warframes are. It's similar to true self-avatar cases. The operator is not the opponent here. The opponent has to be in 4km radius.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Don't standard battle assumptions state that the opponent themselves must be in that range?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Don't standard battle assumptions state that the opponent themselves must be in that range?

Yes, the opponent themselves are the warframes. Not the operator. The operator is not the opponent of Kars in this fight.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Yes, the opponent themselves are the warframes. Not the operator. The operator is not the opponent of Kars in this fight.

The Operator:

Kars (JORGE JOESTAR):

Inconclusive:

Wrong. Operator's the one fighting here, let's try to not distort the rules.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

He's not though. Sba says it's the operator's last key so:

With Warframes

 

[Sir_Ovens]

The what's the point of an Operator page, if the Operator doesn't fight? Like, I don't understand why we treat the Operator this way.

Pokemon trainers lose when their pokemon lose. So why does Operator not lose when Warframes go out of commission? Like if Operators are so far away that they can't be killed, they instantly get inconclusive when Warframes get destroyed.

 

[TriforcePower1]

@Oven You still need to defeat the Trainer, but you're fighting against him, so he's in range.

Just like here, the Operator is still in range, and can use Warframes, but the Operator's still the opponent.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

The what's the point of an Operator page, if the Operator doesn't fight? Like, I don't understand why we treat the Operator this way.
Pokemon trainers lose when their pokemon lose. So why does Operator not lose when Warframes go out of commission? Like if Operators are so far away that they can't be killed, they instantly get inconclusive when Warframes get destroyed.

Again, why do avatars of other beings fight if the true self (the profile) doesn't fight? The Operator does fight, just not in this key.

Yes same here. If you destroy all the warframes the operator loses. Killing the operator is the fastest way, not the only way to end the fight.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

@Oven You still need to defeat the Trainer, but you're fighting against him, so he's in range.
Just like here, the Operator is still in range, and can use Warframes, but the Operator's still the opponent.

If you put Charizard vs x character. Ash is not in range.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

When did I say that it was Warframe-Operator?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

When did I say that it was Warframe-Operator?

Well it's SBA. So last key is a given.

You have to specify which key in case you want the operator to fight. (Kars stomps vs any other key btw)

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Character version: The strongest canon version of a character is used, that we have listed. The strongest version being defined as the one with the highest tier; if there are multiple versions with the same tier, then the most recent version.