“I am now Sans Undertale, go into my eye.” (Dr. Eggman vs. Sans Undertale) (1-2-0)

[Diamond_Drone]

We have seen them with directly next to him plenty of times before, and that's kinda sorta why the robots and egg fleet are standard equipment. The location doesn't really matter, what matters is that they should be with him since eggman won't exactly be limited to improv with whatevers on a canon cutscene.

Also, the 3 years thing is kinda of the reason why eggman could easily outlast sans especially if he starts doing OOC stuff like spamming TK and teleportation super early for whatever reason

First linked vid seems to be unrelated but the second one, an entire fleet can't exactly be 10m from Sans or fit in a fight that takes place underground so travel time would need to be accounted for. My point is also completed unrelated to the whole "limited to improv" thing (which is not really an argument for or against anything happening here since it's already outside the scope of improv).

3 Years would be more useful if Eggman was fighting someone for long periods, since Eggman doesn't really have pain or injury tolerance comparable to his duration. Unfortunately Sans, despite having very low stamina for lengthy fights, inflicts a LOT of damage in his very first move. Also Sans first and strongest attack would have him use TK to send Eggman into a bunch of bones he can't dodge due to his incredibly low travel speed and then be bombarded with a maze of bones and gaster blasters in alternating patterns, the gif on the wiki is supposedly 7 seconds long and, using this video, I got about ~10 seconds for him preparing to blast so... yeah he's gonna die before he ever gets to use it, without his army of course.

Sounds more like a feat to me if eggman can dodge some of tails' attacks, which should be sub-relativistic with that sort of travel speed. Also as explained above they should be directly with him at the start of the fight, considering they are listed as standard equipment.

That doesn't... look like dodging, that just seems like Tails is missing the shots they don't aim properly at a predictable target. I also don't think them being listed as standard means they'll all be waiting in battle formation at the exact start of the fight, since most of the time they seem to be hanging around on Eggman's fleet unless summoned IIRC from '06 and Shadow.

 

[Rayfire]

Also Sans first and strongest attack would have him use TK to send Eggman into a bunch of bones he can't dodge due to his incredibly low travel speed and then be bombarded with a maze of bones and gaster blasters in alternating patterns, the gif on the wiki is supposedly 7 seconds long and, using this video, I got about ~10 seconds for him preparing to blast so... yeah he's gonna die before he ever gets to use it, without his army of course.

Eggman also used super laser p*ss on the devil straight away, which is also something that sans can't really avoid considering it's destructive capacity. It's pretty much an undeniable win button

Kind of why sans' first move isn't a win button when eggman is equally as likely to use his trump cards straight way, and the fact that sans also has a crapload of robots jumping him while he's trying to do this to eggman wouldn't make matters easier at all

That doesn't... look like dodging, that just seems like Tails is missing the shots they don't aim properly at a predictable target.

Eggman is running around, that's how tails is missing. Looks like dodging to me. Honestly i don't even know why eggman is listed as having average human travel speed to begin with on his profile, but if we take this at face value he's still clearly reacting to shots at his own speed, so sans shouldn't overwhelm him this way at all

I also don't think them being listed as standard means they'll all be waiting in battle formation at the exact start of the fight, since most of the time they seem to be hanging around on Eggman's fleet unless summoned IIRC from '06 and Shadow.

an entire fleet can't exactly be 10m from Sans or fit in a fight that takes place underground so travel time would need to be accounted for.

If it's standard equipment it's treated as them being readily on-hand, which should be the case for any robot army or fleet. I guess it makes sense for the egg fleet, but not for the robots lol, those will still be extremely hard for sans to get through considering he has to waste precious stamina defeating them (Assuming he can even dodge THAT many attacks)

My point is also completed unrelated to the whole "limited to improv" thing (which is not really an argument for or against anything happening here since it's already outside the scope of improv).

I brought that up because some people seem to think that eggman's extreme anger problem wouldn't lead to him going all out... for some reason? It's a bit ridiculous imo especially because he's opened with it in the past the second albert got the chance to make a super laser p*ss reference within the context of the canon cutscene

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Kind of why sans' first move isn't a win button when eggman is equally as likely to use his trump cards straight way, and the fact that sans also has a crapload of robots jumping him while he's trying to do this to eggman wouldn't make matters easier at all

You're overestimating just how much effort sans needs to put into his attack, buddy literally just needs to wave his arm and Eggman's already plummeting towards the ground, sans then just needs to think and bones will spawn from under Eggman, killing him almost instantly.

 

[Rayfire]

You're overestimating just how much effort sans needs to put into his attack, buddy literally just needs to wave his arm and Eggman's already plummeting towards the ground, sans then just needs to think and bones will spawn from under Eggman, killing him almost instantly.

While needing to avoid an entire robot army?

 

[Rayfire]

sans then just needs to think and bones will spawn from under Eggman, killing him almost instantly.

Also, even if we ignore the robots for a sec, sans doesn't even use his TK to hold frisk down while the bones in that attack come up. If he did, frisk wouldn't have been able to jump to avoid it.

Eggman also used super laser p*ss on the devil straight away

^ Feeling like this is being overlooked considering we're talking about first moves here

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

While needing to avoid an entire robot army?

They're a fair distance away from him and like, waving your am and then thinking doesn't take that long at all.
He also doesn't even need to deal with any of them, can just teleport himself and Eggman to a different room.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Also, even if we ignore the robots for a sec, sans doesn't even use his TK to hold frisk down while the bones in that attack come up. If he did, frisk wouldn't have been able to jump to avoid it.

Big part of why Frisk can evade it is cause they already know what's coming, you can check any blind playthrough, everybody gets hit by that attack.

^ Feeling like this is being overlooked considering we're talking about first moves here

Eggman isn't going to nuke the world when his robots are clearly taking care of the problem, or at least he thinks so.

 

[Diamond_Drone]

Kind of why sans' first move isn't a win button when eggman is equally as likely to use his trump cards straight way, and the fact that sans also has a crapload of robots jumping him while he's trying to do this to eggman wouldn't make matters easier at all

^ Feeling like this is being overlooked considering we're talking about first moves here

As pointed out by Eden, Eggman's big attack is not a viable win button against an attack that can kill him in less than a second if not dodged properly and considering he's gonna be TK'd straight into a valley of bones frame 1... I think you get the picture. Also yeah him using robots and the beam attack at the same time is never shown to be in-character behavior for him so no to that too.

Eggman is running around, that's how tails is missing. Looks like dodging to me.

He is running around... in one direction and failing to dodge the attacks that are aiming towards the direction he is going. He is not dodging Sans' attack regardless of this feat since he still lacks the travel speed to avoid Sans' attacks (since Speed Equalization means Combat Speed is equalized to the slower opponent and everything is reduced/multiplied by the same factor, this probably means Eggman is probably moving slower than a snail here).

If it's standard equipment it's treated as them being readily on-hand, which should be the case for any robot army or fleet. I guess it makes sense for the egg fleet, but not for the robots lol, those will still be extremely hard for sans to get through considering he has to waste precious stamina defeating them (Assuming he can even dodge THAT many attacks)

This just makes me think that the army should be listed as summons since it's literally something Eggman doesn't carry physically. Even if assuming listing the fleet and robots qualifies for standard equipment, they doesn't prevent them from more likely being ON the fleet than being on the field immediately. This is a presumption you are making to benefit Eggman that completely ignores what the fandub canon shows, something that should be specified by the OP if we actually want to consider it.

 

[Rayfire]

Eggman isn't going to nuke the world when his robots are clearly taking care of the problem, or at least he thinks so.

Either option doesn't sound like something sans will get away from at all. Has sans ever fought more than a couple opponents at a time?

 

[Rayfire]

gonna be TK'd straight into a valley of bones frame 1...

Eggman also used super laser p*ss on the devil straight away

^ Feeling like this is being overlooked considering we're talking about first moves here

This is a presumption you are making to benefit Eggman that completely ignores what the fandub canon shows, something that should be specified by the OP if we actually want to consider it.

I already gave you clips of them being directly with him...

We have seen them with directly next to him plenty of times before, and that's kinda sorta why the robots and egg fleet are standard equipment. The location doesn't really matter, what matters is that they should be with him since eggman won't exactly be limited to improv with whatevers on a canon cutscene.

^

Also yeah him using robots and the beam attack at the same time is never shown to be in-character behavior for him so no to that too.

Either option is still not something sans has dealt with before, like, ever. I don't think it really matters

 

[Rayfire]

Really feeling like this meme rn

I'll probably unwatch the thread before it gets too heated, but i'll just leave it with this. It's literally either sans gets nuked to oblivion or he tries and fails to fight numbers he's never fought before. I don't see sans killing eggman in "a few seconds" in any way considering how much he's actually up against lmao, and there is no shot eggman doesn't pull out all the stops with his anger problem

Plus, You're also ignoring the fact that eggman has literally opened with his win button before, the destruction of which sans can't really, y'know, teleport away from, even if it's somehow in character for him to spam it lol. TK is the only wincon i see him having here but Considering that he literally only uses it once in a 4 minute time span in the only fight we've ever seen him fight, i have absolutely no reason to believe he'd spam that.

Also we can literally see a ton of them in the backround here. That definitely implies there is an entire army of them if the fact that we literallly see him with a whole ahh fleet isn't enough

The army is a big deal cause sans has never fought numbers like that before, lol. Also i've said this a million times but he clearly has used it first move before. Why are you ignoring this clip????

 

[Kellex]

Eggman only used the super laser when his noodles were posted online, a black hedgehog sleeping with his wife and making fun of Eggman's you-know-what so while I do think this Eggman is kinda unhinged, I don't think Sans can anger Eggman enough to crash out when he has to deal with fandub Sonic and the others lol.

It's a bit ridiculous imo especially because he's opened with it in the past the second albert got the chance to make a super laser p*ss reference within the context of the canon cutscene

You're also ignoring that Shadow deliberately teleported the devil away from Earth so Eggman can destroy it without causing anymore environmental destruction. If Eggman REALLY wanted to destroy it right away, why didn't he just do it from where it was standing?

 

[Diamond_Drone]

I already gave you clips of them being directly with him...
^

First linked vid seems to be unrelated but the second one, an entire fleet can't exactly be 10m from Sans or fit in a fight that takes place underground so travel time would need to be accounted for.

^

Either option is still not something sans has dealt with before, like, ever. I don't think it really matters

Eden mentioned that Sans can just... teleport himself and Eggman out of reach of the Robots, this is something he can do pretty instantly considering the "shortcuts" and this calc for his teleportation range. Of course this is assuming that the robots start in their ideal position frame 1 when there is evidence that they will start on a ship above an underground facility that takes 3 years to traverse.

Also we both have pointed out that Eggman won't have enough time to fire his AHEM beam because Sans' first attack will kill him in less than a second if he doesn't dodge as well as Frisk who had the advantage of LV. Considering Eggman's extremely low travel speed, this isn't exactly a viable wincon.

Y'know I think I'm just gonna go ahead and vote for Sans unless the rules change so that the robots start besides Eggman, it's night for me anyway so...

 

[Rayfire]

You're also ignoring that Shadow deliberately teleported the devil away from Earth so Eggman can destroy it without causing anymore environmental destruction. If Eggman REALLY wanted to destroy it right away, why didn't he just do it from where it was standing?

Because the snapcube team is limited to improving with what's happening on-screen?

This was also his first move regardless

 

[Rayfire]

Also we both have pointed out that Eggman won't have enough time to fire his AHEM beam because Sans' first attack will kill him in less than a second if he doesn't dodge as well as Frisk who had the advantage of LV. Considering Eggman's extremely low travel speed, this isn't exactly a viable wincon.

Y'know I think I'm just gonna go ahead and vote for Sans unless the rules change so that the robots start besides Eggman, it's night for me anyway so...

They do because they are standard equipment, and for the millionth time i've sent you like 2 clips where they are right next to him as well lmao

Eggman can also kill sans just as quickly either through the sheer numbers of what sans is up against or nuking him with that deadly laser. Simple as that.

Anyways g'night