“I am now Sans Undertale, go into my eye.” (Dr. Eggman vs. Sans Undertale) (1-2-0)

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Dude. It's literally standard equipment for him to have his mechs and armies.

Mewsers! That is Gnarly! Tubular! Way Cool! Awesome! Groovy! Mondo! Outrageous! Funky!

One problem - if it is not IC to start with his best wincons, then he does not.

The only reason he doesn't do that is because the snapcube cast is limited to what happens in the canon sonic cutscenes.

Genuinely what.

And even then, eggman used it straight away to blast the devils big thing out of the sky.

That's still not "what he usually leads with".

Eggman also has a pretty big anger problem which makes him way more likely to go all out

Headcanon. He does not nuke planet every time he is angry in Sonic, does he?

It's even harder for sans to damage his robots because they obviously don't have souls

Prove that they lack soul, because I'm pretty sure that per rules of the wiki, every character has a soul by default unless stated otherwise. Also...

His attacks are not based solely on the soul, as he killed Flowey many times.

Not only you do not need profile, but you also do not read my arguments... yeah, no point in debating with you atp ngl.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Bro wants proof inorganic beings lack souls

 

[Rayfire]

Prove that they lack soul, because I'm pretty sure that per rules of the wiki, every character has a soul by default unless stated otherwise. Also...

Dude, it’s pure logic. Robots are not living things, are they? How can they have a soul when they are just a hunk of metal and wires????

Also this literally says 'most characters' not EVERY character, because that would be ridiculous, as is the case with literal lifeless machines

Genuinely what.

They have to improvise with what’s on-screen dude, but in a vs match this shouldn’t apply, since Eggman obviously doesn’t fight a skeleton with a blue jacket at any point in any of the cutscenes.

That's still not "what he usually leads with".

But he has done everytime Albert gets the opportunity to say something like that ever since the meme blew up like in the clip.

Literally the only reason Eggman doesn’t have a standard tactics section is because the snapcube team can only improvise with what’s on-screen in the canon cutscenes, which kinda prevents him from blurting out 'SUPER LASER P*SSSSS!!!!!!!!!' everytime he fights like with tails

Headcanon. He does not nuke planet every time he is angry in Sonic, does he?

He doesn’t because the death egg isn’t used in every canon sonic scene. Plain and simple.

Not only you do not need profile, but you also do not read my arguments... yeah, no point in debating with you atp ngl.

If i didn't ever read his profile i wouldn't be here right now

I don't mean this to insult you but if you don't like it when i explain things to you from a logical perspective, nobody is stopping you from, like, unwatching the thread or something

 

[Rayfire]

Bro wants proof inorganic beings lack souls

Peak comedy

 

[MintyBoi1]

Looking like all Eggman has to do is overwhelm Sans. He has much better stamina and resources. Sans can teleport and phase, but he still has to deal with a whole army when he was done in (granted after a while) by a kid with a knife. And if the planet gets nuked, Sans is cooked. I’m voting the Gamer.

 

[Rayfire]

One problem - if it is not IC to start with his best wincons, then he does not.

If we go by your logic, then sans doesn't spam TK at all against frisk very often, which is, like, the one thing going for him, and that's if we assume that he doesn't have to deal with an entire army while he's trying to TK eggman

 

[Rayfire]

Votes should be 3-2 in eggman's favor now that minty and i have voted

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Did we forget the whole sans can dura neg Soulless beings thing?
Or the fact he doesn't even have to deal with any of Eggman's robots since he can just teleport himself and Eggman to a whole different area?

If we go by your logic, then sans doesn't spam TK at all against frisk very often

TKing Frisk's SOUL is literally the first thing he does in his fight.
Unless you meant teleportation? Which is also wrong because buddy was spamming that too.

 

[Kellex]

Voting Sans FRA

 

[MintyBoi1]

Eggman has hundreds of robots, Sans’ weak stamina won’t help with that. Especially since Eggman has giant mechs and anger to nuke Sans or the planet. Plus homing missiles should eventually catch him.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Bro wants proof inorganic beings lack souls

Make a site-wide CRT.

If we go by your logic, then sans doesn't spam TK at all against frisk very often, which is, like, the one thing going for him, and that's if we assume that he doesn't have to deal with an entire army while he's trying to TK eggman

He does? Not only you ignore the profile and my arguments, you also never played the game but still talk as if you did.

Yeah, I ain’t spending one more second on you, you’re just ignorant biased Eggman fanboy that just wants him to win regardless of arguments. Good luck with that mentality and have a good day.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Eggman has hundreds of robots

Already explained why that doesn’t matter. Sans’ hax works like a one-shot, he also can simply TP away from them.

Sans’ weak stamina won’t help with that.

Weak stamina does not matter since the fight will last seconds. Also he is getting upgraded to Superhuman stamina.

Especially since Eggman has giant mechs

I don’t see how is that a wincon.

and anger to nuke Sans or the planet.

Show me IC where he nukes planet the first time he sees a random hostile enemy.

Plus homing missiles should eventually catch him.

IA + TK.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Make a site-wide CRT.

Dude, have you ever heard of Inorganic Physiology? This is basic logic, non living beings don’t have souls.

Already explained why that doesn’t matter. Sans’ hax works like a one-shot, he also can simply TP away from them.

Weak stamina does not matter since the fight will last seconds. Also he is getting upgraded to Superhuman stamina.

I don’t see how is that a wincon.

Show me IC where he nukes planet the first time he sees a random hostile enemy.

IA + TK.

For how long is the question. He will have to confront them if he wants to land a hit on Eggman who himself is hard to put down.

Yeah, because Sans will get fried by robots coming at him at all sides.

I didn’t even mean that as a wincon, just that it’ll make things harder for Sans.

We’re talking about improv here. Plus he literally destroyed the moon over Twitter drama, I think it’s reasonable that he would at least destroy where Sans is.

Can only do so much against hundreds of enemies.

 

[Rayfire]

Show me IC where he nukes planet the first time he sees a random hostile enemy.

Here, he used it straight away on the devil lmao

Already explained why that doesn’t matter. Sans’ hax works like a one-shot, he also can simply TP away from them.

Not gonna work forever when sans doesn't have that much stamina. We don't know how he performs against many enemies either but it will still be detrimental to him

Weak stamina does not matter since the fight will last seconds. Also he is getting upgraded to Superhuman stamina.

Sans doesn't spam TK for every one of his moves which is the only way i see him winning. Also he still has that army to deal with simultaneously anyway

IA + TK.

With average stamina? That sounds like delaying the inevitable at best, also not in-character for him to spam it by your logic

 

[Rayfire]

He does? Not only you ignore the profile and my arguments, you also never played the game but still talk as if you did.

Does sans slam frisk into a wall every attack?

Yeah, I ain’t spending one more second on you, you’re just ignorant biased Eggman fanboy that just wants him to win regardless of arguments. Good luck with that mentality and have a good day.

Why the anger lmao, we're talking about whether a comedy fandub character could beat a sentient skeleton or not, not about politics

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Dude, have you ever heard of Inorganic Physiology? This is basic logic, non living beings don’t have souls.

Nvm, just read Inorganic Physiology page. Was saying that because I’m Ninjago stan and nindroids do have soul there.

But this really doesn’t matter since Sans can dura neg soulless characters.

For how long is the question. He will have to confront them if he wants to land a hit on Eggman who himself is hard to put down.

Teleport behind Eggman:
Direct bones and GBs at Eggman anyways since all of them are intangible:

Yeah, because Sans will get fried by robots coming at him at all sides.

TP + TK. No response to that.

I didn’t even mean that as a wincon, just that it’ll make things harder for Sans.

Not really.

We’re talking about improv here.

What?

Plus he literally destroyed the moon over Twitter drama, I think it’s reasonable that he would at least destroy where Sans is.

Not really, since it’s case-specific. Show me where he nukes the planet against an unknown foe.

Can only do so much against hundreds of enemies.

What?

 

[Rayfire]

Make a site-wide CRT.

Okay i'm gonna ask you straight up do you actully think a piece of metal have a soul, the soul page doesn't even say EVERY character to begin, just most for this reason

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Okay i'm gonna ask you straight up do you actully think a piece of metal have a soul, the soul page doesn't even say EVERY character to begin, just most for this reason

Nvm, just read Inorganic Physiology page. Was saying that because I’m Ninjago stan and nindroids do have soul there.

But this really doesn’t matter since Sans can dura neg soulless characters.

 

[Rayfire]

TP + TK. No response to that.

Latter of which he doesn't even spam and you're acting like he does...

I feel like sans will be more worried about being targetted by a sh*tload of robots and use his TK to avoid them, which doesn't help him kill eggman

Teleport behind Eggman:

While being rushed?

 

[Rayfire]

But this really doesn’t matter since Sans can dura neg soulless characters.

Even then, how's he gonna take out all of them? It's a whole ahh army which we have never ever seen him face before. Most he's fought is literally a kid with a knife

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Just count the votes at this point, I’m not dealing with Egg Man stans who act as if he nukes planet every occasion he can and that robot army is the best ability that no hax nor LS can bypass on the wiki.
Unfollowing the thread.

 

[Kellex]

Out of all characters to have a serious Versus Thread, why does it have to be Snapcube's Eggman?

 

[Rayfire]

Just count the votes at this point, I’m not dealing with Egg Man stans who act as if he nukes planet every occasion he can and that robot army is the best ability that no hax nor LS can bypass on the wiki.

The army is a big deal cause sans has never fought numbers like that before, lol. Also i've said this a million times but he clearly has used it first move before. Why are you ignoring this clip????

Unfollowing the thread.

That's fine with me

 

[MintyBoi1]

To be fair to Eggman, SnapCube’s fandubs are all different games where Eggman has varying things. With his temper and literally everything at his disposal, it seems pretty likely for him to cause wide spread destruction. Also Sans’ hax aren’t even that potent, they can’t work on that many targets at a time and it tires him out after a few minutes.

 

[Rayfire]

Out of all characters to have a serious Versus Thread, why does it have to be Snapcube's Eggman?

It's being blown out of proportion by these bill pfp's man, i'm getting jumped

 

[MintyBoi1]

Also why are we acting like Sans is always teleporting? Most of the time he does it casually. I only remember him using it at one section of his fight which is pretty deep in, so who says he starts with it?

 

[HonestlyBored24]

I haven’t seen this much venom being tossed around on an FC/OC thread since that Clover vs Johan thread a while back, god dayum

 

[MintyBoi1]

I haven’t seen this much venom being tossed around on an FC/OC thread since that Clover vs Johan thread a while back, god dayum

It’s always Undertale and Bill Cipher

 

[Rayfire]

I haven’t seen this much venom being tossed around on an FC/OC thread since that Clover vs Johan thread a while back, god dayum

Wow, it’s like I’m irredeemable for having the opinion that snapcube Eggman beats sans…

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

I can’t believe this thread has evoked such powerful emotions in the participants. I understand that snapcube Eggman is a weird character to use in a thread, but that’s no reason to be so up in arms and be all passive aggressive with each other (on BOTH sides, btw). Debates on this site are expected to be cordial, and a matchup like this especially shouldn’t be a cause for drama. Disagreements happen. Again, this is a debate site.

Passion for the characters is one thing, but the way this thread has gone so far is giving me some red flags.

 

[StrymULTRA]

It's even harder for sans to damage his robots because they obviously don't have souls

Considering that Sans rn is winning against a character with a 1-A+ soul due to his ability to apply KR also to just physical bodies, this argument of yours proves you didn't play the game.

Just passing here to inform you of this, as I do not tolerate misinformation.

 

[Rayfire]

Considering that Sans rn is winning against a character with a 1-A+ soul due to his ability to apply KR also to just physical bodies, this argument of yours proves you didn't play the game.

I’m confused, how does he even damage a soul if it’s outerversal+

Also, robots still clearly don’t have souls. All they are is metal and wiring. You can’t use soul manipulation at all if your opponent(s) don’t have one to begin with.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I’m confused, how does he even damage a soul if it’s outerversal+

He doesn't need to kill Silver Wolf's SOUL, he just dura negs her physical body.

Also, robots still clearly don’t have souls. All they are is metal and wiring. You can’t use soul manipulation at all if your opponent(s) don’t have one to begin with.

• Durability Negation and Status Effect Inducement (Sans' attacks inflict to the target KARMA, a poison-like effect that quickly whittles the opponent's HP down and affecting both their souls and bodies, while also ignoring Frisk's INV Frames. Heavily implied to be capable of affecting Flowey, who lacks a SOUL)

Sans' durability negation requiring to affect the SOUL is a fanon thing. He can dura neg things without SOULs like Flowey (unless you wanna argue that Flowey is lying, which is impossible to prove given his profile)

 

[Rayfire]

Sans' durability negation requiring to affect the SOUL is a fanon thing. He can dura neg things without SOULs like Flowey (unless you wanna argue that Flowey is lying, which is impossible to prove given his profile)

Alright, but it’s still a pretty minor point overall. The thing is sans still can’t fight against what is likely hundreds of enemies at bare minimum. I’m not a huge expert on undertale but I know that we’ve never seen him fight against those sorts of numbers before, so alongside eggman’s willingness to in clips & anger making him very likely to use his best win button (super laser p*ss) at any point, I still don’t see sans lasting very long at all. He can’t blast literally his entire egg fleet all at once, Especially since his stamina is kinda sh*t

 

[StrymULTRA]

Alright, but it’s still a pretty minor point overall. The thing is sans still can’t fight against what is likely hundreds of enemies at bare minimum.

The thing is that his attacks bypass physical objects as they pass through these. It's basically something like this, sorta.

Plus the attacks would kill things in less than a second if they do not properly dodge, as by default the non-UT SOUL would have LV 1 due to them not having LV, thus only 20 HP according to verse equalization (see here for more elaboration), and with KR dealing 1 damage per frame, you can see where I am going.

IDC about this fight (given that's on FCOC of all things lol), but you were saying blatant bs with the soul stuff.

 

[Rayfire]

IDC about this fight (given that's on FCOC of all things lol), but you were saying blatant bs with the soul stuff.

Maybe, but i was only looking at things from a logical perspective because a hunk of bolts can't have a soul. You can't expect me to be an expert on everything undertale dude

Plus, You're also ignoring the fact that eggman has opened with his win button before, the destruction of which sans can't really, y'know, teleport away from, even if it's somehow in character for him to spam it lol. TK is the only wincon i see him having here but Considering that he literally only uses it once in a 4 minute time span in the only fight we've ever seen him fight, i have absolutely no reason to believe he'd spam that.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

TK is the only wincon i see him having here but Considering that he literally only uses it once in a 4 minute time span in the only fight we've ever seen him fight, i have absolutely no reason to believe he'd spam that.

TK is definitely far from his only wincon, it's not even one in the first place. He can't harm Eggman with it, and best case scenario he'd just use it to toss Eggman into his bones, which is funnily enough his first move. sans not spamming it doesn't matter much if he starts with it, especially since this fight won't even last 5 seconds.

 

[Diamond_Drone]

Hey so i'm NOT gonna disagree with Eggman's army being a viable wincon if used (even though saying there are hundreds of them is kinda of an exaggeration), but I'm gonna ask how is he gonna use them? They aren't exactly something he carries in his pockets all the time and the fight takes place in an underground facility that took Eggman 3 years to traverse and has multiple doors to blast through.

Depending where exactly they are in the facility, Sans might just take out Eggman before he can effectively summon his army, since presumably Eggman is by himself at the start of the fight. You have to remember that Eggman (and likely his robot army) have significantly lower travel speed compared to their combat speed which is kinda ironic for a sonic character.

 

[Rayfire]

Hey so i'm NOT gonna disagree with Eggman's army being a viable wincon if used (even though saying there are hundreds of them is kinda of an exaggeration), but I'm gonna ask how is he gonna use them? They aren't exactly something he carries in his pockets all the time and the fight takes place in an underground facility that took Eggman 3 years to traverse and has multiple doors to blast through.

We have seen them with directly next to him plenty of times before, and that's kinda sorta why the robots and egg fleet are standard equipment. The location doesn't really matter, what matters is that they should be with him since eggman won't exactly be limited to improv with whatevers on a canon cutscene.

Also, the 3 years thing is kinda of the reason why eggman could easily outlast sans especially if he starts doing OOC stuff like spamming TK and teleportation super early for whatever reason

Also we can literally see a ton of them in the backround here. That definitely implies there is an entire army of them if the fact that we literallly see him with a whole ahh fleet isn't enough

Depending where exactly they are in the facility, Sans might just take out Eggman before he can effectively summon his army, since presumably Eggman is by himself at the start of the fight. You have to remember that Eggman (and likely his robot army) have significantly lower travel speed compared to their combat speed which is kinda ironic for a sonic character.

Sounds more like a feat to me if eggman can dodge some of tails' attacks, which should be sub-relativistic with that sort of travel speed. Also as explained above they should be directly with him at the start of the fight, considering they are listed as standard equipment.

sans not spamming it doesn't matter much if he starts with it, especially since this fight won't even last 5 seconds.

How will he do that when he's being rushed by an entire army of robots? This is what's confusing me lol, he doesn't spam teleportation at all either

 

[Rayfire]

which is funnily enough his first move.

Eggman also used super laser p*ss on the devil straight away, which is also something that sans can't really avoid considering it's destructive capacity. It's pretty much an undeniable win button