Hunter vs Shalltear Bloodfallen

[OpMasada]

Well, if the only other guy with knowledge on MH leaves, I guess i'm done too.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I'm staying. Keeping knowledge here. Just tired of debating a point people don't wanna see and will split hairs to avoid.

 

[Jugger47]

That's very stupid and can be compared to me saying "Shalltear can't implode hunter because she hasn't been shown to affect someone on her tier", now whether that was a bad comparison, you get what I mean don't you?

No I don't. I already explained why I thought its not a good assumption to make. Items you just carry are different from things you use to kill and use as armor/gear. I've played enough games and read enough novels to know this to be the case. Thats the final thing I'll say on this particular topic.

 

[OpMasada]

I'm staying. Keeping knowledge here. Just tired of debating a point people don't wanna see and will split hairs to avoid.

I see.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

@Jugger The Hunter only carries charms and they do the same thing, as in, get nulled. But again, feel free to use the "well charms dont have necromancy so even though dragon element nulls necromancy we don't know if it nulls carried necromancy kek" argument.

 

[Jugger47]

@Jugger The Hunter only carries charms and they do the same thing, as in, get nulled. But again, feel free to use the "well charms dont have necromancy so even though dragon element nulls necromancy we don't know if it nulls carried necromancy kek" argument.

If the actual "element" exists in the MH verse and it doesn't actually ever happen how do you expect people to believe its going to work if it does happen? It would be one thing if nothing similar to necromancy was in MH but that isn't the case, it is in the verse, and it never happens.

 

[OpMasada]

Because there simply isn't a charm that has it? It has shown to null ressurection, and it has shown to nullify items, but you insist that hunter can't null the item because "He didn't null res on an item before soooo".

Shalltear has shown to implode people, HOWEVER she hasn't shown to implode people that are 6-C, so she can't implode hunter because you have no feat of her doing so.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Implosion is durability negation tho, no?

 

[OpMasada]

Implosion is durability negation tho, no?

Limited, a 6-C's organs is weaker naturally, but shouldn't be as weak as a regular human from our world.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

It's should have some effect, at least against a foe with no feats of resistance

 

[Jugger47]

Implosion is durability negation tho, no?

Certainly on characters that have biological functions and organs? Yes.

I wouldn't say its TOTAL durability negation though, but certainly 6-C

 

[Mr. Bambu]

@Jugger The element negates necromantic resurrection. The element has also worked on held items (i.e., charms). Those are facts.

@Yobo Not to mention Hunter's Power Null works on Explosion Manipulation.

 

[OpMasada]

Implosion is durability negation tho, no?

Certainly on characters that have biological functions and organs? Yes.
I wouldn't say its TOTAL durability negation though, but certainly 6-C

>Certainly 6-c

You got a feat for that?

 

[OpMasada]

Anyway, i'm going to leave my BS alone and just leave this thread.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

TBF, Shalltear is min-maxed. Perorochino wouldn't have left a skill like that in unless it was worth it

 

[Jugger47]

@Jugger The element negates necromantic resurrection. The element has also worked on held items (i.e., charms). Those are facts.
@Yobo Not to mention Hunter's Power Null works on Explosion Manipulation.

""well charms dont have necromancy so even though dragon element nulls necromancy we don't know if it nulls carried necromancy kek" argument. "

As you put it

You actually don't know that it nulls items on a person to keep the undead from resurrecting

So Shalltear self revives, is free to implode.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Yes. We only know that it does in fact null the powers but you keep clinging to the idea that "oh well it hasn't worked on a charm that does the exact thing that I'm clinging to, despite the fact that it works on the power (proven via Vaal Hazak) and works on held items (proven via Charms), and yet I fail to see how those would work kek"

Like I said I'm tired of people splitting hairs so I'm letting you take it how you like if you want your favorite verse to win. No hard feelings or anything. Just not willing to explain the stuff over and over.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

> is free to implode

nah this is still absolutely hard countered tho.

 

[Jugger47]

> is free to implode
nah this is still absolutely hard countered tho.

Shalltear literally dies and comes back to life and is still power nulled is what you are saying?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

The second she interacts with Dragon Element? Yes.

 

[Jugger47]

The second she interacts with Dragon Element? Yes.

I don't really understand what you are saying I think.

Are you saying that if somebody dies with dragon element on and they are resurrected they will still be under its effect?

In Overlord that ressurrection they use is True Ressurrection (The nazarick characters anyways) meaning they are no longer under any effect INCLUDING world items which we saw with Shalltear.

So there is already a pretty massive feat when it comes to true ressurection there.

 

[Jugger47]

Yobobojojo what tier are world items considered? If you know I mean.

If not ill find the scan

 

[OpMasada]

Back for some input: Shalltear didn't get freed from her status from the WCI, but she did after she was resurrected by other means than her item, so it can be assumed that Shalltear's res doesn't negate status effects.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

So if she gets rez'd, she's clean, if her item rez'd her, she is still under status effect

Like Elderseal, AKA Power Null.

 

[Jugger47]

Back for some input: Shalltear didn't get freed from her status from the WCI, but she did after she was resurrected by other means than her item, so it can be assumed that Shalltear's res doesn't negate status effects.

Oh yes thats right but still Ainz has stated that if he died after casting Time Stop I think? His spell would still be in effect and if he was under a spells status effect if he was revived with his ring which is self resurection.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Yobobojojo what tier are world items considered? If you know I mean.

If not ill find the scan

I'm pretty sure 5-B

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Jugger we're not using Ainz right now.

 

[Jugger47]

Jugger we're not using Ainz right now.

No we are using self resurrection in Overlord, which Ainz also has.

 

[OpMasada]

Back for some input: Shalltear didn't get freed from her status from the WCI, but she did after she was resurrected by other means than her item, so it can be assumed that Shalltear's res doesn't negate status effects.

Oh yes thats right but still Ainz has stated that if he died after casting Time Stop I think? His spell would still be in effect once he revived with his ring which is self resurection.

............Ok? I don't remember that ever being said in the novel, and I have no idea what ainz's time stop has to do with my comment.

 

[Jugger47]

Yobobojojo what tier are world items considered? If you know I mean.

If not ill find the scan

I'm pretty sure 5-B

Was it? Hm I'll need to remember that. Its not applicable here though.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Yeah

 

[Jugger47]

............Ok? I don't remember that ever being said in the novel, and I have no idea what ainz's time stop has to do with my comment.

I edited it. That was only part of what he stated.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Ainz abilities are not Shalltear's abilities. We're not debating what Ainz can do here. Moving on.

 

[OpMasada]

Back for some input: Shalltear didn't get freed from her status from the WCI, but she did after she was resurrected by other means than her item, so it can be assumed that Shalltear's res doesn't negate status effects.

Oh yes thats right but still Ainz has stated that if he died after casting Time Stop I think? His spell would still be in effect and if he was under a spells status effect if he was revived with his ring which is self resurection.

Are you trying to disprove my comment or agree with it?

 

[Jugger47]

Ainz abilities are not Shalltear's abilities. We're not debating what Ainz can do here. Moving on.

Yet again its not an ability. Ainz has a ring that allows for self resurrection its comprable to Shalltears but he can do it multiple times.

Honestly though, you both need to chill a bit.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

That should go for all of you

 

[Jugger47]

Are you trying to disprove my comment or agree with it?

Maybe I was unclear.

Im using what Ainz said as an example. He said something akin to if he needed to revive himself (assuming its his ring) he would no longer be under any enemies spell effect.

I'll find the quote.

 

[OpMasada]

Chill? We aren't angry, we don't even know what you're trying to say with the comment we are complaining about.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I'm not angry at all. Just tired. I've started working on a profile in between all this lol.

 

[Jugger47]

Also before I look for this quote I remember (Volume 2-4?)

You are saying that if a player/monster dies in MH under the dragon effect they are still effected even if they were revived? Or something similar?