How to Write a Character to Tier 0 and Beyond

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

So I am confident in my understanding of characters all the way up to 1-A but past that the justification for a higher tier fly right over my head. Could anyone explain how one would write a character to have 1-A+, High 1-A, and the infamous tier 0 levels of power? What would they have to do or transcend in order to reach said levels? And how could someone make one tier 0 superior to the other? I've heard many different explanations and most seem to contradict themselves.

 

[Arcker123]

They have to be to a High 1-A what a High 1-A is to a 1-A. That means that to be tier 0, you have to transcend an infinite High 1-A hierarchy to the point no extension of said hierarchy can reach you. For analogy sake, lets say the hierarchy is akin to steps of a ladder, each step is infinitly bigger than the previous and there are infinite steps. Tier 0 is being beyond this “Ladder” of infinite High 1-A steps that each transcend each other.

I misunderstood this…

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Make a metaphorical verse for people to interpret as literal

Tier 0

 

[Livinmeme]

Step 1. Know a decent about axioms
Step 2. Find the highest cardinity (i think is icarus)
Step 3. Copypaste it from wikipedia with some small changes

Or alternativelly you can just do type 4 multiverse shenanigans, that are spatial and boom you are the strongest.... appart from saitama of course

 

[QuasiYuri]

Don't

 

[Rikimarox2]

Don't

^

Write about tier 9B instead. That's where the real chads live.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

^

Write about tier 9B instead. That's where the real chads live.

Nah is tier 11-c where the real chads live.

 

[Swerzye29038]

So I am confident in my understanding of characters all the way up to 1-A but past that the justification for a higher tier fly right over my head. Could anyone explain how one would write a character to have 1-A+, High 1-A, and the infamous tier 0 levels of power? What would they have to do or transcend in order to reach said levels? And how could someone make one tier 0 superior to the other? I've heard many different explanations and most seem to contradict themselves.

1-A would mean that you are fully transcendent to an infinite or uncountably infinite hierarchy of layers of realities, with each reality trivializing the one below it infinitely. This could be depicted in many ways across fiction, such as reality > fiction differences or viewing the entirety of the lower reality as the size of an atom, for example. I also want to note that a fictional verse does not need a hierarchy to attain this tier, unless its demonstrated that the character or realm in question is beyond the logical framework of the baseline reality, no matter how many layers of reality that you could stack on top of each other to reach it.

1-A+ would place you an infinite amount of layers of reality above standard 1-A. To simplify, imagine 1-A as Low 1-C and 1-A+ as High 1-B. And with this logic, each realm would have to trivialize the lower one into insignificance of course.

High 1-A would mean you are fully transcendent to an infinite or uncountably infinite hierarchy of layers of 1-A realities (or basically a 1-A+ structure), with each reality trivializing the one below it infinitely. This could be depicted in many ways across fiction, such as reality > fiction differences or viewing the entirety of the lower reality as the size of an atom, for example.

Tier 0 to High 1-A is what High 1-A is to 1-A. There is no end point to this tier, so you could make a tier 0 superior to another tier 0 simply by proving that the character is superior in the verse

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

1-A would mean that you are fully transcendent to an infinite or uncountably infinite hierarchy of layers of realities, with each reality trivializing the one below it infinitely. This could be depicted in many ways across fiction, such as reality > fiction differences or viewing the entirety of the lower reality as the size of an atom, for example. I also want to note that a fictional verse does not need a hierarchy to attain this tier, unless its demonstrated that the character or realm in question is beyond the logical framework of the baseline reality, no matter how many layers of reality that you could stack on top of each other to reach it.

1-A+ would place you an infinite amount of layers of reality above standard 1-A. To simplify, imagine 1-A as Low 1-C and 1-A+ as High 1-B. And with this logic, each realm would have to trivialize the lower one into insignificance of course.

High 1-A would mean you are fully transcendent to an infinite or uncountably infinite hierarchy of layers of 1-A realities (or basically a 1-A+ structure), with each reality trivializing the one below it infinitely. This could be depicted in many ways across fiction, such as reality > fiction differences or viewing the entirety of the lower reality as the size of an atom, for example.

Tier 0 to High 1-A is what High 1-A is to 1-A. There is no end point to this tier, so you could make a tier 0 superior to another tier 0 simply by proving that the character is superior in the verse

Thank you! This is probably the most well explained answer I have ever gotten. All the talk of cardinals and Aleph numbers go right over my head, thanks for making it easy to understand.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Step 1. Know a decent about axioms
Step 2. Find the highest cardinity (i think is icarus)
Step 3. Copypaste it from wikipedia with some small changes

Or alternativelly you can just do type 4 multiverse shenanigans, that are spatial and boom you are the strongest.... appart from saitama of course

Id rather not have to learn Quantum physics in order to understand what tier a fictional character is in.

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

They have to be to a High 1-A what a High 1-A is to a 1-A. That means that to be tier 0, you have to transcend an infinite High 1-A hierarchy to the point no extension of said hierarchy can reach you. For analogy sake, lets say the hierarchy is akin to steps of a ladder, each step is infinitly bigger than the previous and there are infinite steps. Tier 0 is being beyond this “Ladder” of infinite High 1-A steps that each transcend each other.

I misunderstood this…

You kind of got the gist of it. Thanks anyway!

 

[Funnimane]

^

Write about tier 9B instead. That's where the real chads live.

gigachad = just write a good story

 

[Arnoldstone18]

So I am confident in my understanding of characters all the way up to 1-A but past that the justification for a higher tier fly right over my head. Could anyone explain how one would write a character to have 1-A+, High 1-A, and the infamous tier 0 levels of power? What would they have to do or transcend in order to reach said levels? And how could someone make one tier 0 superior to the other? I've heard many different explanations and most seem to contradict themselves.

Write whatever Rose Kai says about Freya

 

[GoldExPoints]

Don't

Actually true. Write a story that resonates with the people or at least resonates with you, not another Suggsverse

 

[Swerzye29038]

Thank you! This is probably the most well explained answer I have ever gotten. All the talk of cardinals and Aleph numbers go right over my head, thanks for making it easy to understand.

no problem

 

[Swerzye29038]

Make a metaphorical verse for people to interpret as literal

Tier 0

twin peaks

 

[Livinmeme]

Id rather not have to learn Quantum physics in order to understand what tier a fictional character is in.

Is like you forgot the part about, just getting basic understanding and just copypasting it from wikipedia

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

make them more like a force of nature instead of a character.

 

[Livinmeme]

make them more like a force of nature instead of a character.

Or a weapon.....

 

[Arcker123]

You can just have a god Tier be Tier 0 and have them be the source of your other characters powers

 

[Livinmeme]

I been thinking of a character who has a tier 0 hax, but is extremlly useless because how many steps it takes to activate or is just a suicidal atack so.... there is that i guess

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

gigachad = just write a good story

Yeah, that's the most important thing. If a storyline is trash but scales high, it's a verse with a trash storyline that scales high. Speaking for myself personally, while powerscaling is fun, it's not going to be the definitive thing that gets me invested with a series. The thing that does that is the characters and story of a verse. I'd also take good writing over a high tier any day. I don't care if Saitama one-shots Mob from Mob Psycho 100, because at the end of the day, I think that Mob/Shigeo is a better character and I find its story more appealing.

Story first. Scaling later.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Yeah, that's the most important thing. If a storyline is trash but scales high, it's a verse with a trash storyline that scales high. Speaking for myself personally, while powerscaling is fun, it's not going to be the definitive thing that gets me invested with a series. The thing that does that is the characters and story of a verse. I'd also take good writing over a high tier any day. I don't care if Saitama one-shots Mob from Mob Psycho 100, because at the end of the day, I think that Mob/Shigeo is a better character and I find its story more appealing.

Story first. Scaling later.

Once you starting thinking "Wow this feat is impressive" before asking yourself "Do I even enjoy this story/verse?" that's when you fall into the rabbit hole and it's pretty difficulty to escape, eventually some people reach the point of "no return" and can no longer tell the difference between making a verse as "accurate" as possible Vs making a verse as "strong" as possible within Vs community debates/revisions which ofc leads to the usual drama.

It's a makes for a fascinating social observation on cognitive bias tho.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Id rather not have to learn Quantum physics in order to understand what tier a fictional character is in.

Be like Gege, teach it in the story :3

 

[Livinmeme]

Be like Gege, teach it in the story :3

Gege? Context please

 

[Arcker123]

Gege? Context please

The JJK author. Apparently he’s really good at writing and JJK is a well written series.

Shame how it’s father bleach still negs in writing tho

 

[Jibz]

Here's one ive written off the top of my head right now:

Every step Jesus took, was a creation of a vast cosmology. Each infinite multiverse had a basis in maths, as it was the closest way to describe his ineffable might. The multiverses themselves based in a Mathematical Universe Hypothesis. All cardinals were present inside these multiverses, the overlapping and ascending infinities the closest way to describe and conceptualize god. Of course these were a mere infinitesimal part of God's boundless expanse. Woodins are a mere speck of his existence. Berkley's a fragment of his tooth, ZFC Icarus an eye, and even then this is merely the avatar of Jesus. His true form is one so incredibly vast no infinity could describe the discrepancy between the two.

Would that count bois?

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Once you starting thinking "Wow this feat is impressive" before asking yourself "Do I even enjoy this story/verse?" that's when you fall into the rabbit hole and it's pretty difficulty to escape, eventually some people reach the point of "no return" and can no longer tell the difference between making a verse as "accurate" as possible Vs making a verse as "strong" as possible within Vs community debates/revisions which ofc leads to the usual drama.

It's a makes for a fascinating social observation on cognitive bias tho.

I really don't make my verses as powerful as possible anymore. When I have concepts, I think about the setting, and what would be impressive for the verse. And honestly, sometimes lower things sounds cooler than extra-dimensional stuff. Sometimes saying things like "his punch has more energy than 20 rocket ships taking off!" sounds cooler than "he's a hyperversal extra-dimensional..." Sometimes we resonate more with things we actually understand versus things and concepts we've never experienced.

 

[QuasiYuri]

I really don't make my verses as powerful as possible anymore. When I have concepts, I think about the setting, and what would be impressive for the verse. And honestly, sometimes lower things sounds cooler than extra-dimensional stuff. Sometimes saying things like "his punch has more energy than 20 rocket ships taking off!" sounds cooler than "he's a hyperversal extra-dimensional..." Sometimes we resonate more with things we actually understand versus things and concepts we've never experienced.

What most people tend to forget is also that cosmological elements are meant to be presented separately, across the work.

Like you see big info dumps in fanfic separated from the plot or the fight itself.

 

[Arcker123]

Yeah. If you’re gonna make a good tier 0, don’t make it obvious that you want them to be tier 0. I think it’s more natural for a story for the cosmology shit to be more flowery in nature than literal. Normal people wouldn’t use terms like cosmology for example

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

What most people tend to forget is also that cosmological elements are meant to be presented separately, across the work.

Like you see big info dumps in fanfic separated from the plot or the fight itself.

Also true. Don't just vomit higher dimensional concepts and cosmological elements and expect readers/viewers to eat it.

Actually, don't expect anyone to eat anything you vomit up. Just give them something good instead.

 

[Jibz]

Being the strongest tier 0 > being a well written tier 0

 

[Arcker123]

Being the strongest tier 0 > being a well written tier 0

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

If I were to make a Verse, I wouldn't use abstract terms or extradimensional things but explain teleportation or things like that, the maximum level would be between 3-A or Low 2-C, because someone was teleported to just before the big bang and he tanked it or something like "I am the incarnate Cosmo, my left hand is the Space that separates us and my right hand is the Time that moves us"

 

[QuasiYuri]

If I were to make a Verse, I wouldn't use abstract terms or extradimensional things but explain teleportation or things like that, the maximum level would be between 3-A or Low 2-C, because someone was teleported to just before the big bang and he tanked it or something like "I am the incarnate Cosmo, my left hand is the Space that separates us and my right hand is the Time that moves us"

I think using extradimensional stuff is usually cool when well done tho. Who doesn't like a good travel in the multiverse brought to you by the US president finally getting Jesus' body?

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Gege? Context please

He is really good but he is trolled for writing a lot of “unnecessary” information in narrator boxes. For example: Itadori throws a punch, narrator box: “as you can see here, Itadori begins to determine where the weakness is most prevalent. He charges up his black flash which he must deliver at that spot with utmost precision. His senses are akin to a chinese gorrilla”.

 

[Urshani]

So I am confident in my understanding of characters all the way up to 1-A but past that the justification for a higher tier fly right over my head. Could anyone explain how one would write a character to have 1-A+, High 1-A, and the infamous tier 0 levels of power? What would they have to do or transcend in order to reach said levels? And how could someone make one tier 0 superior to the other? I've heard many different explanations and most seem to contradict themselves.

Math

 

[Funnimane]

Here's one ive written off the top of my head right now:

Every step Jesus took, was a creation of a vast cosmology. Each infinite multiverse had a basis in maths, as it was the closest way to describe his ineffable might. The multiverses themselves based in a Mathematical Universe Hypothesis. All cardinals were present inside these multiverses, the overlapping and ascending infinities the closest way to describe and conceptualize god. Of course these were a mere infinitesimal part of God's boundless expanse. Woodins are a mere speck of his existence. Berkley's a fragment of his tooth, ZFC Icarus an eye, and even then this is merely the avatar of Jesus. His true form is one so incredibly vast no infinity could describe the discrepancy between the two.

Would that count bois?

I don't remember that from the bible

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Here's one ive written off the top of my head right now:

Every step Jesus took, was a creation of a vast cosmology. Each infinite multiverse had a basis in maths, as it was the closest way to describe his ineffable might. The multiverses themselves based in a Mathematical Universe Hypothesis. All cardinals were present inside these multiverses, the overlapping and ascending infinities the closest way to describe and conceptualize god. Of course these were a mere infinitesimal part of God's boundless expanse. Woodins are a mere speck of his existence. Berkley's a fragment of his tooth, ZFC Icarus an eye, and even then this is merely the avatar of Jesus. His true form is one so incredibly vast no infinity could describe the discrepancy between the two.

Would that count bois?

To few Universes, tier 11-C

 

[Makoto500]

So I am confident in my understanding of characters all the way up to 1-A but past that the justification for a higher tier fly right over my head. Could anyone explain how one would write a character to have 1-A+, High 1-A, and the infamous tier 0 levels of power? What would they have to do or transcend in order to reach said levels? And how could someone make one tier 0 superior to the other? I've heard many different explanations and most seem to contradict themselves.

Kinda late but im gonna use laymens term with a bit of mathematics.

1a+ is bassically a infinite sequence of infinities strictly greater than the other or a infinite hierarchy of infinities bassically.

(Some mathematical examples are something like the normal cumulitive hierarchy or a transfinite induction or recursion.)

You could also say it's all possible extension of them.

High1a is just transcending all possible extensions of infinities
(Specifically the sequence of 1a+ to even bigger extensions.) to the point your unreachable to them.

(A mathematical example is inaccessible probably the normal strong one or maybe the weakly one.)

And 0 is transcending any possible extension or layers of high1a to the point your unreachable to them.

(Would be strong/regular mahlo in mathematics as an example or bassically just an inaccessible atleast as big as strong/regular mahlo.)

Could have used more cardinal terms but i'll just use this as a laymens term with a little bit it of mathematics.

(You could just ignore them though since the laymens term i gave already kinda explains it, though to be fair the mathematics that are here are just examples or the baselines of each tier.)