How Far Can Type 1 AE bs a match?

[ReaperAndBlues]

How far can type 1 AE, NEP, Acasualty type 5, or any similar defensive hax go to completely wall someone out who doesn't have the necessary hax to deal with it? Like for example: Character A is 1-A, but has no hax to interact with AE type 1, and character B has said AE but is only tier 5. Can character A interact directly with them (this is assuming no cosmology nuking)

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Almost everything except NEP can be bypassed by being a higher tier. For example, a higher tier being can directly interact with Acausality Type 5, because sed Acausal being may be beyond a lower dimensions causality, ut not a higher dimensions. On the other hand, if a higher dimensional being can't interact with concepts, then they still can't, even if they are in a higher dimension. But they can nuke the verse still. Same goes for NEP, though some NEP can survive verse nuking.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Almost everything except NEP can be bypassed by being a higher tier. For example, a higher tier being can directly interact with Acausality Type 5, because sed Acausal being may be beyond a lower dimensions causality, ut not a higher dimensions. On the other hand, if a higher dimensional being can't interact with concepts, then they still can't, even if they are in a higher dimension. But they can nuke the verse still. Same goes for NEP, though some NEP can survive verse nuking.

So back to my example

Since Character A doesn't have CM in the way that is needed to interact with character B, they still can't, is that what I'm getting?

Also for NEP, how can an NEP character survive a verse nuke? Is it a specific type of NEP, or is it via feats such as a character surviving a Low 2-C nuke through simply being Non-existent?

 

[Georredannea15]

Almost everything except NEP can be bypassed by being a higher tier. For example, a higher tier being can directly interact with Acausality Type 5, because sed Acausal being may be beyond a lower dimensions causality, ut not a higher dimensions. On the other hand, if a higher dimensional being can't interact with concepts, then they still can't, even if they are in a higher dimension. But they can nuke the verse still. Same goes for NEP, though some NEP can survive verse nuking.

Well, actually that's not quite true. For example, haxes of existence and abstractness such as type 2 and type 3 TD, type 1 conceptual AE, NEP and ACA 5 cannot be negation even with higher D AP directly. Because AP is just a physical thing and dimensionality is just an extra physical axes, imagine destroying a physical H1-B space with infinite number of axes of motion, will destroying these spatial(physical) axes mean that you will touch abstractions? Of course not. There are two options.

1- To have the NPI
2- Destroying the plane directly with Higher-D range at the same time with Higher-D AP

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

2- Destroying the plane directly with Higher-D range at the same time with Higher-D AP

This depends on the type of hax. Since certain characters given the feats can survive a cosmology nuke via being non-existent if the character in question doesn't have NEI.

Like if a character destroys all of existence within a Low 2-C cosmology via being 1-A, that doesn't mean that they can destroy all of nonexistence too, since they would also need to be able to interact with it.

 

[Georredannea15]

This depends on the type of hax. Since certain characters given the feats can survive a cosmology nuke via being non-existent if the character in question doesn't have NEI.

Like if a character destroys all of existence within a Low 2-C cosmology via being 1-A, that doesn't mean that they can destroy all of nonexistence.

Higher D Ap and range cannot affect it directly, but in the face of this higher-dimensional AP and range, even nothingness operating in low dimensions is crushed. It can't hit nothingness directly, but someone with nothingness can't do anything anymore.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Higher D Ap and range cannot affect it directly, but in the face of this higher-dimensional AP and range, even nothingness operating in low dimensions is crushed.

How so? AFAIK, higher AP can only destroy everything that exists within that dimensional axis, which if a character is able to survive having said axis destroyed, they can't be touched since they can't interact with NEP. A cosmology nuke can't destroy absolutely everything in a verse unless it has feats of such (for specific hax, not in general), meaning stuff like passive Plot Manipulation that can sustain a verse's existence would still work unless the character can negate it (which plot manip is a very specific and very overpowered ability that can take precedence over other hax).

Then again, this might just be the justification for having higher dimensional hax instead.

But someone with nothingness can't do anything anymore.

But, isn't that just NEP's whole thing, you aren't doing anything if you are non-existent since you aren't anything, even nothingness, you don't exist at all.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Well, actually that's not quite true. For example, haxes of existence and abstractness such as type 2 and type 3 TD, type 1 conceptual AE, NEP and ACA 5 cannot be negation even with higher D AP directly. Because AP is just a physical thing and dimensionality is just an extra physical axes, imagine destroying a physical H1-B space with infinite number of axes of motion, will destroying these spatial(physical) axes mean that you will touch abstractions? Of course not. There are two options.

Acausality Type 5 is based on being outside of the system of causality on a certain level. For example, if a verse has a Low 1-C Cosmology, and the God of sed verse has Acausality Type 5 then that is because they're unbound by causality on a Low 1-C level. However, there is no reason to assume they are beyond causality on a High 1-B level, and as such a High 1-B being could still interact with them.

1- To have the NPI
2- Destroying the plane directly with Higher-D range at the same time with Higher-D AP

But yeah, abstractions and conceptual stuff are a bit different. If a higher tier being can't interact with them, then they still wouldn't be able to, even if they launch an attack from a higher plane. On the other hand, even if someone nukes the verse, I think Type 1 Concepts, which are outside of the reality they affect could survive having a verse plane of existence blown up. Not a hundred percent sure though.

How so? AFAIK, higher AP can only destroy everything that exists within that dimensional axis, which if a character is able to survive having said axis destroyed, they can't be touched since they can't interact with NEP. A cosmology nuke can't destroy absolutely everything in a verse unless it has feats of such (for specific hax, not in general), meaning stuff like passive Plot Manipulation that can sustain a verse's existence would still work unless the character can negate it (which plot manip is a very specific and very overpowered ability that can take precedence over other hax).

If you destroy everything in a lower plane, even if some things you can't interact with survive, it doesn't really matter. The NEP Being can no longer interact with anything because everything it could interact with is gone. At that point, they might as well be dead. Likewise, anything the Plot Manipulation could have manipulated is also gone.