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Is he around their levels yet? No immoratlity for Zamasu. Just the one who fought Vegito.
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How does Jiren scale to Vegito and Merged Zamasu? (Not infinity)
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Jiren is High 3-A... Meaning he's infinitely stronger than them both.
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Ya mean low 2-C my man ovo
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Oh yeah, I almost forgot ^_^TheJ-ManRequiem said:
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And if the upgrades go through Jiren will be superior to Infinite Zamasu.
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Shouldn't this be in the questions and answers board?
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Anime Vegito isn't on par with Beerus.
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I don't think Vegito will be upgraded as it was never stated he was on Beerus's level with the exception of the manga which we don't use.Ovrhide said:
Jiren currently is much more powerful than Vegito Blue, Vegito (anime) has no statements of being on the level of a GoD
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Hmmm... Since I have seen that statements from Shin take value for Jiren then shouldn't the same apply to Vegito and Zamasu via Shin's, Gowasu's,Vegeta's and Trunk's statements about their power too?
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Yes, if we're playing the quote game, Shin's--and Vegeta's--statements regarding Merged Zamasu are more explicit and substantial than Shin's statements regarding Jiren.╬Ü╬ƒ╬£╬Ö╬× said:
"Impossible... God or not, I've never seen anyone let off energy like this!" -- Vegeta, the guy who's trained with Beerus and Whis, and saw Beerus and Champa fight in a serious battle that threatened to destroy universe 6 and 7
"I've never seen such a powerful light." -- Gowasu
"His standing as a god is beyond even our understanding!" -- Shin, an actual god who has gotten to know Beerus well enough
These seem like more impressive statements than, "this power feels different from anyone we've ever faced before. He's strong, plain and simple."
This isn't a definitive argument for Merged and/or Infinite Zamasu > Jiren--though I happen to believe that is the case. I just think using quotes to scale Jiren, Goku, and the GoDs to Infinite Zamasu's level is a bad argument.
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Yeah, which makes the fact Shin thinks Jiren>anything else.
Even more impressive.
Even more impressive.
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Zamasu isn't Low 2-C outside of his Infinite Form.
Neither Vegeta or Goku are aware of Beerus' true power at that point, so statements from them don't mean much.
Meanwhile, Beerus himself, as well as all the other Gods of Destruction, are in awe of Jiren's power and consider it superior to their own.
By comparison, Beerus only showed mild concern towards Zamasu, even in his Infinite Form.
Neither Vegeta or Goku are aware of Beerus' true power at that point, so statements from them don't mean much.
Meanwhile, Beerus himself, as well as all the other Gods of Destruction, are in awe of Jiren's power and consider it superior to their own.
By comparison, Beerus only showed mild concern towards Zamasu, even in his Infinite Form.
Infinite Zamasu and Jiren is another discussion. And I agree with the bold.
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Trunks never seen Beerus or Whis try, for Trunks, it truly was the best he's seen.
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The intent with Jiren being stronger than anyone is also very clear. And he came after the end of the Zamasu Arc.
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Yes but this time the powerscaling is very tricky. Its not like in the manga where Merged Zamasu alone will be truly weaker.Matthew Schroeder said:
In the anime we have statements that make Zamasu too impressive. Gowasu (older than Old Kai) knows the power of a God Of Destruction and is impressed with how much power his student acquired. Both Kaioshin say things like they haven't seen more powerful light, that Zamasu new God status is ver vague even for them to understand etc
Its just that there are statements that connect Merged Zamasu with the GODs in a way or another.
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Yes, but one of the people who said that also thinks Jiren>anything else.
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Not really, Sidra is noted to be a shityy god.
And rumshii is lazy and doesn't do much at all.
And rumshii is lazy and doesn't do much at all.
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It does when Frieza can resist ya and Gowasu probably never.seen rumshii do anything.
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GoDs who are very weak could perhaps not scale, yes.
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Very small hakai energy is what Frieza resisted... Not the actual hakai. About Rumshii. You don't know that... Gowasu is too old. He sure knows Rumshi better than any other Kaioshin his own GOD.TheJ-ManRequiem said:
@Mathhew And what makes them weak? We have no proof that they are weaker since non stated or implied. Champa is weaker than Beerus but not by a large mile. But he is considered lazy and so does Beerus. Both are lazy but they are powerful.
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I never said he resisted that, he still resisted his attack though.
Gowasu being old means mothing, Beerus is a shit ton older than Shin, by millions, the same could be said there.
Gowasu being old means mothing, Beerus is a shit ton older than Shin, by millions, the same could be said there.
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He resisted an attack yes but it was too small and suppressed. Beerus has suppressed himself to match SSG Goku in the past.... Kaioshins though are a counterpart to their GODs and have knowladge others don't. For example, Gowasu knows way more for the Potara than the Old Kai. Also his age means that he has seen Rumshi's power for so long that knows how it works. Beerus is old but here we talk about Gowasu who seems to know Beerus and Rumshii. His GOD way better. What I mean is that he knows Hakaishin power.TheJ-ManRequiem said:
Never its was implied that there is a big difference in GOD Tier once.
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Can ya prove he knews Rumshii's power, considering lazy, doesn't fight, probably never fought anyone on his tier to go all out, Gowasu wouldnt know. Hes not omniscience.
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Also resisting even a 1% of his power means he's a weak god.
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We can not also prove that Rumshii was all the time lazy. Gowasu is not omniscience true but we can not prove also that he has not seen Rumshii go all out. Also, don't you think that GODs don't spar with one and other? The taboo was vreated for them not fight which means that Rumshii and others might have sparred.TheJ-ManRequiem said:
About Gowasu. I mention his age a lot since he seems to be the oldest and knowladgable for the Kaioshins.
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When was it stated that Gowasu "knows the power of a God of Destruction"?╬Ü╬ƒ╬£╬Ö╬× said:
Remember back in the BoG's Saga, when Elder Kai, a far older, more intelligent and experienced Kai like Gowasu, thought the shock waves that were destroying the universe were going to destroy Goku and Beerus, even though Beerus literally infinitely stronger than those shock waves.
Just because the Kai is older or more experienced doesn't mean he should have a grasp of the realm of power that a God of Destruction has.
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Then Beerus reveals he wasn't even trying and he can nullify them and an explosion that engulfed the universe, also without trying.
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