Hot takes thread, safer edition

[DivineAura44]

Aren’t you that guy who argued goku can get infinity^2 times stronger to match his opponent no matter what? I’d say you aren’t a stranger to highballs yourself….

You couldn't debunk it tho Also that's a mass oversimplification. I argued Goku would rise to the power he needs to beat his opponent as he did with Jiren to bridge the 3-A to Low 2-C jump. Cope

 

[Iiliminal]

shinra is tier -1
saitama is inaccessible layers tier 0
goku is above fiction

 

[DivineAura44]

shinra is tier -1
saitama is inaccessible layers tier 0
goku is above fiction

Meliodas>

 

[ZillertheBucko]

You couldn't debunk it tho Also that's a mass oversimplification. I argued Goku would rise to the power he needs to beat his opponent as he did with Jiren to bridge the 3-A to Low 2-C jump. Cope

Ok now prove he can jump to 2-C if he gets his shit kicked in by whis

 

[Iiliminal]

goku can jump to above fiction if he needs to

 

[First_Witch]

Ok now prove he can jump to 2-C if he gets his shit kicked in by whis

Zenkai boost

 

[DivineAura44]

Ok now prove he can jump to 2-C if he gets his shit kicked in by whis

I don't have to prove anything more than I already did. It's for you to prove he can't. And please don't say they've fought before. Goku didn't need to beat Whis, as he wasn't in true danger so his body didn't adapt.

 

[azontr]

Hot take: Hot take threads are dumb.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Hot take: Hot take threads are dumb.

Maybe

 

[Noneless21]

Hot take: Hot take threads are dumb.

That means someone participating it is dumber like me

 

[azontr]

That means someone participating it is dumber like me

Correct.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Better Call Saul memes is overrated

 

[azontr]

Better Call Saul memes is overrated

no.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

no.

I'm dead serious

 

[azontr]

I'm dead serious

no.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

no.

You have a brain breakdown if you can only responding with "no"

But seriously i really can't get the appeal of Saul Goodman staring at you like an idiot

 

[azontr]

You have a brain breakdown if you can only responding with "no"

But seriously i really can't get the appeal of Saul Goodman staring at you like an idiot

You're right.

Because you lack a refined sense of humor.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Or my humour standard is inconsistent lel

 

[azontr]

I am only allowed to respond to you 3 times. I no longer have an argument.

 

[Epiccheev]

When universal power system mechanics makes everyone in a verse absurdly haxed because almost every power and resistance is something that scales to every character that exists in the setting, whereas even fodder have like 3 layers of resistance to 15 different types of offensive hax.

Bonus point if the characters become so broken that the only matches said verse can have are with other members of it's own cast or top 10 strongest smurfs/ non smurfs threads (wich also end with them either stomping or getting stomped)

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Hot take: Tiers 9-7 be having the best matchups.

 

[Epiccheev]

6-C does have some interesting verses too

 

[Rikimarox2]

6-C does have some interesting verses too

That's true, everything till 5-C are interesting. 5-C and above are meh. Tier 1 and above suck massive dick.

 

[azontr]

Cold take:

Woltekamui >>>> Your favorite verse.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Cold Take: THE OBJECTIVELY CORRECT 9-B AP RANKINGS

 

[Epiccheev]

Pretty much all tier 1 fights are comparing hax and resistance to see wich character stomps ( 80% of the time with people disagreeing with the other debaters interpretations of already accepted feats leading to complicated CRTs to try and Nitpick the other character into a downgrade or to upgrade your own.)
There's barely any match there where characters could have a real fight other than "passively exists" or "thinks" gg

 

[azontr]

Cold take:

Silver >>>> Any other metal

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Pretty much all tier 1 fights are comparing hax and resistance to see wich character stomps ( 80% of the time with people disagreeing with the other debaters interpretations of already accepted feats leading to complicated CRTs to try and Nitpick the other character into a downgrade or to upgrade your own.)
There's barely any match there where characters could have a real fight other than "passively exists" or "thinks" gg

Any fight that has to do with "Character A having 4D hax" or "Character B resisting said hax" or other Conceptual Dimensional bullshit is ass.

That's exactly why I said Skill/Low Hax battles >>> High Hax battles.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

When universal power system mechanics makes everyone in a verse absurdly haxed because almost every power and resistance is something that scales to every character that exists in the setting, whereas even fodder have like 3 layers of resistance to 15 different types of offensive hax.

Bonus point if the characters become so broken that the only matches said verse can have are with other members of it's own cast or top 10 strongest smurfs/ non smurfs threads (wich also end with them either stomping or getting stomped)

common D&D W

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

We should stop having absolute rankings on profiles and just put highballs, lowballs, and mid ends on profiles, especially when considering different calc ends. And I also think we should have at minimum 2 or 3 times multipliers for one shotting or something, as to prevent the messy scaling chain issues that lead to the “at least _____ likely far higher, far higher with _______ Even higher when ________”

i do sometimes have the idea that all potential scales for a character that have any merit whatsoever should be at least mentioned on the profile, since 1 objective tier for most characters is basically impossible, though im not sure, probably not on the vs wiki

 

[Rikimarox2]

Objectively correct take:

Crimson femboy >>>>> Everything else

 

[azontr]

Objectively correct take:

Crimson femboy >>>>> Everything else

Based and Crimsonpilled.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Pretty much all tier 1 fights are comparing hax and resistance to see wich character stomps ( 80% of the time with people disagreeing with the other debaters interpretations of already accepted feats leading to complicated CRTs to try and Nitpick the other character into a downgrade or to upgrade your own.)
There's barely any match there where characters could have a real fight other than "passively exists" or "thinks" gg

Then they hit 1-A and offensive hax becomes irrelevant, instead it's all about "layers/Alephs" and if you're just one layer above someone you automatically AP stomp them to infinity.

Anyway hot take: resistance negation and resistance to resistance negation are among the most dumb P&A a character can have.

 

[Epiccheev]

Cold take:

Silver >>>> Any other metal

Silver is pretty cool, can kill vampires and werewolves, has antimicrobial effects, is expensive but not as unaffordable as gold, is shinier than iron and heavier too, painting your car silver will make you seem less of a pompous asshole than painting it gold,etc.

 

[azontr]

Silver is pretty cool, can kill vampires and werewolves, has antimicrobial effects, is expensive but not as unaffordable as gold, is shinier than iron and heavier too, painting your car silver will make you seem less of a pompous asshole than painting it gold,etc.

It can also freeze dragons to death.

 

[Arkenis]

In my opinion most of the intelligence sections, specifically the skills, are wanked.

for whom exactly? To say most is insane ngl, I know you're probably referring to verses you know but still could give some examples.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Objectively correct take:

Crimson femboy >>>>> Everything else

Femboys are cringe, watchdog man negative-negative-negative diffs

 

[azontr]

Femboys are cringe, watchdog man negative-negative-negative diffs

Crimson outsmarts, outplans, outstrategizes, and mollywhops the verse. Watchdick man is fodder.

 

[Arkenis]

I don't disagree or have like a dislike for them but Layering Hax can make matches extremely toxic or undoable and I don't wanna recommend just completely ignoring them in matches but they make fights become shit.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Crimson outsmarts, outplans, outstrategizes, and mollywhops the verse. Watchdick man is fodder.

Crimson wasn’t trained to fight animals therefore watchdog man skill stomps and also low diffs and also negative diffs and also stomps and one shots and also solos the verse and also upscales from the Holy Spirit