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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Voidnether said:
No I meant the previous one where you made a typo looks like word salad to me, not the 2 sentences one
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And that’s world salad to you somehow? Oh sorry, I guess I added a “Shameless, really.” at the end so it’s actually 3, and you can’t read more than two sentences.
 
I’m not sure why it would apply. Most acausal movement in Hoyo is derived from the properties of realms, like those of negentropical spaces and the Imaginary Tree. Which are not applicable for any actual Acausality since it must be a property intrinsic to the character and not the realm. It’s why it was previously removed, too.
 
SuperNova55555 said:
I’m not sure why it would apply. Most acausal movement in Hoyo is derived from the properties of realms, like those of negentropical spaces and the Imaginary Tree. Which are not applicable for any actual Acausality since it mist be a property intrinsic to the character and not the realm. It’s why it was previously removed, too.
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Btw even weaver agreed with ts 😭😭✌️
 
Mbpoops said:
Why would it apply?
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Because the Trailblazer literally has it in 4.0? Like the divination doesn't work on Trailblazer, I don't know why finite and infinite possibilities are the problem when it's literally them being unbound by causality altogether. Heck, even the nature of Path of Remembrance itself is a time that transcends causality like how is this not Acausality type 4 😭
 
Type 4: Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This has the potential to grant them resistances to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others, depending on its shown capabilities which should be specified on the given page.
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why does it not? i mean the wording isn't precisely clear but the aeons definitely tick some of these boxes
 
Voidnether said:
Because the Trailblazer literally has it in 4.0? Like the divination doesn't work on Trailblazer, I don't know why finite and infinite possibilities are the problem when it's literally them being unbound by causality altogether. Heck, even the nature of Path of Remembrance itself is a time that transcends causality like how is this not Acausality type 4 😭
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No.

Nighting4l33yes said:
why does it not? i mean the wording isn't precisely clear but the aeons definitely tick some of these boxes
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Normal causality is one that follows a linear progression of time, so T1 -> T2. Any other form of causality is Type 4. Like atemporal causality for example.

Nighting4l33yes said:
can you explain this a bit more please?
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in some realms within Hoyo, like those with negative entropy, you can have stuff like effect prior to cause, or not following the linear progression of time derived from normal entropy.

This would be Type 4 if a character could do it by themselves, but unfortunately this is a property that is given by the realm itself, and not something the character has outside of it. So it doesn’t apply as a hax.
 
Voidnether said:
Because the Trailblazer literally has it in 4.0? Like the divination doesn't work on Trailblazer, I don't know why finite and infinite possibilities are the problem when it's literally them being unbound by causality altogether. Heck, even the nature of Path of Remembrance itself is a time that transcends causality like how is this not Acausality type 4 😭
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Son.. i can literally give everyone in hi3 acausality type 4 with that logic…
 
SuperNova55555 said:
in some realms within Hoyo, like those with negative entropy, you can have stuff like effect prior to cause, or not following the linear progression of time derived from normal entropy.

This would be Type 4 if a character could do it by themselves, but unfortunately this is a property that is given by the realm itself, and not something the character has outside of it. So it doesn’t apply as a hax.
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no other character does this on the regular though? it's isolated in some cases such as acheron's, irontomb's, cyrene's and the aeons. if anything, other characters are described to have a predetermined "fate". this point was brought up again in this patch.
 
Nighting4l33yes said:
no other character does this on the regular though? it's isolated in some cases such as acheron's, irontomb's, cyrene's and the aeons. if anything, other characters are described to have a predetermined "fate". this point was brought up again in this patch.
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Your point is very unclear, elaborate.
 
You’re comparing people having infinite choices to someone who literally broke the summetry of the universe to exist
 
Mbpoops said:
You’re comparing people having infinite choices to someone who literally broke the summetry of the universe to exist
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they don't have those actually, in hsr at least
SuperNova55555 said:
Your point is very unclear, elaborate.
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fate and divination represent some form of determinism that governs reality. thats been mentioned again in this patch too. iirc yaoguang said it or smth. aeons are not merely unreadable within this system but actively disrupt or exist outside of it introducing outcomes that are not derivable from prior states. how does thhis nit imply that they operate under an irregular causal structure rather than simply resisting prediction?
 
Nighting4l33yes said:
whatever that means...

so does what i said sound sensible to you?
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For acs type 4 no because they dont exist on a different type of causality as the universe there needs to be more proof than just “they cant be precogged” because then you’d have the trailblazer having acausality type 4 and every hi3 human
 
Mbpoops said:
For acs type 4 no because they dont exist on a different type of causality as the universe there needs to be more proof than just “they cant be precogged” because then you’d have the trailblazer having acausality type 4 and every hi3 human
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that goes back to what nova said. this is just the realm trait of the hi3 world/leaf. it wouldn't change anything for them. in the hsr one, its different. the tb also does not affect elio's scripts. kafka and the others have completed them successfully many times in the past even with their interference. aeons on the other hand, are a different case.

edit: i want to add to this, that the irontomb situation also unfolded differently as to what elio foresaw. cyrene/fuli's the other aeons' involvement opened the third path that had amphoreus saved.
 
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Nighting4l33yes said:
fate and divination represent some form of determinism that governs reality. thats been mentioned again in this patch too. iirc yaoguang said it or smth. aeons are not merely unreadable within this system but actively disrupt or exist outside of it introducing outcomes that are not derivable from prior states. how does thhis nit imply that they operate under an irregular causal structure rather than simply resisting prediction?
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Because I’m confused what this has to do with acausality. Because wherever it going on with Aeons and them going T1 -> T2 is not mutually exclusive
 
SuperNova55555 said:
So.

The Aether is a projection of a higher-dimensional structure (referred to as a Sea or Ocean), unto 3-dimensional realspace, done via negentropy or internal imaginary energy.

And the funny thing here is that “Universe” is explicitly what is not part of this higher-dimensional structure (cough SoQ cough). In fact, it’s explicitly what is not part of the “Universe” Finality represents as well.
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Went back and read this and im kinda confused on some things

So (a)ether = soq (literally in the dudu VN so thats consistsnt ether makes the branes n what not)

dark zone = bubble world?

Mythus’ domain is a bubble world and mythus can just chuck bubble worlds to recreate the universe?
 
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