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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

SuperNova55555 said:
I’m pretty sure it genuinely solos 😭 not sure how Cocoon is beating an entire Path’s energy.

Mind you lmao, a single Imaginary Domain is about a galaxies worth of masterless IE (yes, the Cocoon scan uses the same term as HSR does, surprisingly lmao) but we know Aeons convert masterless IE into Path Energy universally.
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Can I have a scan for the last bit?
- 'but we know Aeons convert masterless IE into Path Energy universally.'

Would help with the whole HE = Imaginary Energy -> Paths = Just part of Imaginary Energy agenda I've got going on.

Also the letter hardly proves anything, it's literally 250m years old, everything we know about the modern day cocoon contradicts it.
This is like the allies in ww2 in 1944 seeing the germans 1939 plans and saying 'we'll go off of these'
 
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SuperNova55555 said:
So uh. Is Acheron the equivalent to a Herrscher of Finality? I mean, IX’s Shadow did literally the exact same thing to Izumo as Cocoon did to Earth.

Even the relic set posits the cycles as well lol:
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Dont know scaling wise cuz like CoF is completely different than shadow of IX and we know shadows of IX can get negged while for cof u cant even reach it to do shit
But storywise yeah Acheron is HoFin of Izumo same way Kiana is HoFin of earth
and welt wasnt dumb enough to say yo bro you soloed izumo cof u must be as strong as Kiana on earth (he will say this eventually)
 
PedjaTarzan said:
Dont know scaling wise cuz like CoF is completely different than shadow of IX and we know shadows of IX can get negged while for cof u cant even reach it to do shit
But storywise yeah Acheron is HoFin of Izumo same way Kiana is HoFin of earth
and welt wasnt dumb enough to say yo bro you soloed izumo cof u must be as strong as Kiana on earth (he will say this eventually)
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Hoyo could’ve made our lives a lot easier if Welt powerscaled like a Dragon Ball character where they constantly compare to the last guys they fought 😭
 
in the future Welt will fought Qliphoth and force the big dude to summon 5 hammers for the fun of it while CoF will suffer from 650 petaton cap for it is the one true Herrsher
 
Kiana, will alone (confirmed), sleeping (confirmed), trying to hold back (inferred) / drag HE to the moon (confirmed), UNINTENTIONALLY (inferred) putting out waves of energy sensed by the Garden's mirror across Imaginary Intertidal Zones (inferred / should be obvious) compared to an Emanator.
And Emanators have to actually put out energy (or try) to be picked up by the mirror. (I think)

And mfs are trying to say the Cocoon is 'only Emanator level' I'm crine. High Emanator at LEASSTTT.
 
Wait so like if this tidal zone stuff is the scaling actually went with and accepted does this just condemn the verse to not be tier 1 since those Tidal zones aren’t on par with the 11D Imaginary space membrane? (And they’re part of real space) 😭
 
Jackof_noTrades068 said:
Wait so like if this tidal zone stuff is the scaling actually went with and accepted does this just condemn the verse to not be tier 1 since those Tidal zones aren’t on par with the 11D Imaginary space membrane? (And they’re part of real space) 😭
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Well if it's accepted that Tidal Zones are just effects of Imaginary Bleed on the edges of Reality we wouldn't have this issue
 
PedjaTarzan said:
earth sciencist glazing cof gets contradicted by venus/mars mfs downplaying CoF that gets contradicted by Senadina glazing Cof so this is just perpetual cycle.
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Schrödinger’s CoF.
Somehow is the source of and manipulates all Honkai but is… on par with one Honkai Energy (used interchangeably with Imaginary energy tidal zone) Tidal Zone?
 
PlungingThroughTime said:
Scientist downplaying CoF like her world wasn't literally destroyed by it✌😭Aight twin whatever you say.
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thats lowkey valid, she knew people would glaze cof and decided to downplay it in case cof decides to slime her planet out
Jackof_noTrades068 said:
Schrödinger’s CoF.
Somehow is the source of and manipulates all Honkai but is… on par with one Honkai Energy (used interchangeably with Imaginary energy tidal zone) Tidal Zone?
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Marah upscale bro, she KNOWS who CoF is despite CoF being explicitly unreachable unless it explicitly acknowledges you.
Same goes to memokeeper, this goes to evernight upscale because evernight>memokeeper and then Zephyro>evernight...
@SuperNova55555 one high 1-C zephyro please 🙏
 
PlungingThroughTime said:
- 'but we know Aeons convert masterless IE into Path Energy universally.'
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Via the Paths being universal. Since Paths are equivalent to Path Energy

PlungingThroughTime said:
Also the letter hardly proves anything, it's literally 250m years old, everything we know about the modern day cocoon contradicts it.
This is like the allies in ww2 in 1944 seeing the germans 1939 plans and saying 'we'll go off of these'
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Ye but Im like saying that Cocoon “transcending all dimensions” isn’t mutually exclusive with it controlling a certain amount of IE.
 
SuperNova55555 said:
Via the Paths being universal. Since Paths are equivalent to Path Energy
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I know it's heavily implied but im looking for a very explicit confirmation and that'd be super helpful. Like 99% of intelligent HSR players know the paths are divvied up IE but there's nothing concretely saying it, which is why I'd prefer to have something concretely saying it.
SuperNova55555 said:
Ye but Im like saying that Cocoon “transcending all dimensions” isn’t mutually exclusive with it controlling a certain amount of IE.
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We have scans for how much IE the Cocoon controls and examples:

It being an imaginary valve that manipulates everything Honkai-related from Imaginary Endings.
It literally giving FG Otto infinite power for imaginary renormalisation to work.

BTW I said 'I think' there to invite anyone to prove me wrong on it, I'm PRETTY SURE it's right, but don't know for certain. Js being honest brodie.
 
PlungingThroughTime said:
I know it's heavily implied but im looking for a very explicit confirmation and that'd be super helpful. Like 99% of intelligent HSR players know the paths are divvied up IE but there's nothing concretely saying it, which is why I'd prefer to have something concretely saying it.

We have scans for how much IE the Cocoon controls and examples:

It being an imaginary valve that manipulates everything Honkai-related from Imaginary Endings.
It literally giving FG Otto infinite power for imaginary renormalisation to work.

BTW I said 'I think' there to invite anyone to prove me wrong on it, I'm PRETTY SURE it's right, but don't know for certain. Js being honest brodie.
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Tf is an “Imaginary Ending” anyways…?
 
Mbpoops said:
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Ahh Arlan the elevator victim
 
Why are we trusting a random venussian over someone who actually studies the cocoon and higher dimensions..? Mind you all venusians existed 250 million years ago and got wiped out
 
Ill apply the changes in a bit. Btw who wsnts to write that discussion rule for the soq and real space
 
Mbpoops said:
Why are we trusting a random venussian over someone who actually studies the cocoon and higher dimensions..? Mind you all venusians existed 250 million years ago and got wiped out
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Mbpoops said:
I cant tell if yall are joking or not i just wooe up
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You need proper proof or implication that we are to not trust a statement. Literarily speaking, exposition can be done through may ways, and acts as a source for info that cannot be properly established within the general flow of events. And is generally always meant as a way for us to understand info outright.

And for it to be considered wrong, it must be in the intent of the statement itself that it is wrong. I.e that it must be of narrative importance itself for exposition to be a type of misinformation.

In Honkai, you can take Mythus as an example of this, where exposition regarding it is literally meant to be false.

But taking something not implicitly related to the text (i.e that it is an old scientist) is not grounds for the invalidity of the text itself, since it is meant to be exposition and there is no narrative importance for it to be wrong.

The reductio that follows here is that we can literally js say every statement in Honkai is incorrect, because there are reasons we ought to believe that the one who conveys it is incorrect.

I mean, there’s a reason why the game presents multiple theories for the Universe, but always affirms the Imaginary Tree.
 
Mbpoops said:
Ill apply the changes in a bit. Btw who wsnts to write that discussion rule for the soq and real space
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Yall can use this as a template as you ask for the discussion rule

“Do not attempt to upgrade or downgrade the size or dimensionality of the Sea of Quanta or the membrane of the imaginary tree. Attempts to upgrade them have failed repeatedly (link the low 1-A and 1-A failed CRTs) so has the attempt to claim the dimensions are compactified (link to the high 1-C reestablish CRT)”
 
SuperNova55555 said:
You need proper proof or implication that we are to not trust a statement. Literarily speaking, exposition can be done through may ways, and acts as a source for info that cannot be properly established within the general flow of events. And is generally always meant as a way for us to understand info outright.

And for it to be considered wrong, it must be in the intent of the statement itself that it is wrong. I.e that it must be of narrative importance itself for exposition to be a type of misinformation.

In Honkai, you can take Mythus as an example of this, where exposition regarding it is literally meant to be false.

But taking something not implicitly related to the text (i.e that it is an old scientist) is not grounds for the invalidity of the text itself, since it is meant to be exposition and there is no narrative importance for it to be wrong.

The reductio that follows here is that we can literally js say every statement in Honkai is incorrect, because there are reasons we ought to believe that the one who conveys it is incorrect.

I mean, there’s a reason why the game presents multiple theories for the Universe, but always affirms the Imaginary Tree.
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Might as well make the tree 4D and only the soq h1c atp
 
Jackof_noTrades068 said:
Yall can use this as a template as you ask for the discussion rule

“Do not attempt to upgrade or downgrade the size or dimensionality of the Sea of Quanta or the membrane of the imaginary tree. Attempts to upgrade them have failed repeatedly (link the low 1-A and 1-A failed CRTs) so has the attempt to claim the dimensions are compactified (link to the high 1-C reestablish CRT)”
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That last one didnt fail funny enough but it shows the back and forth
 
Jackof_noTrades068 said:
Yall can use this as a template as you ask for the discussion rule

“Do not attempt to upgrade or downgrade the size or dimensionality of the Sea of Quanta or the membrane of the imaginary tree. Attempts to upgrade them have failed repeatedly (link the low 1-A and 1-A failed CRTs) so has the attempt to claim the dimensions are compactified (link to the high 1-C reestablish CRT)”
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Real space hasn’t been talked about enough to warrant a rule. But we already know that HSR characters feats of affecting real space really shouldn’t give possibly high 1-C
 
Btw can we nuke loli yog cus theres no reason she should scale to a cosmology the game isnt even apart of aside from a name
 
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