Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[Nighting4l33yes]

Because your comment is implying that their Path’s existence cannot be explained if they’re bound by time. And I explained why that doesn’t need to be the case.

how can they have time manip if they dont already exist???? a path CANNOT exist without an aeon presiding it in some way or form. sure, it can exist if an aeon is "vacant" but it has to be created somehow in first place

 

[SuperNova55555]

how can they have time manip if they dont already exist???? a path CANNOT exist without an aeon presiding it in some way or form. sure, it can exist if an aeon is "vacant" but it has to be created somehow in first place

It’s created at the end of the universe when the Aeon ascends there… and then they use that Path to affect the past… genuinely what is complicated about this.

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

I didn't expect you to be arguing for semantics here to be honest, does this mean that Permanence in HI3 and HSR are different despite both of them originating from Long?

The first is still the same, so it doesn't really matter unless it's a completely different one.

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

how can they have time manip if they dont already exist???? a path CANNOT exist without an aeon presiding it in some way or form. sure, it can exist if an aeon is "vacant" but it has to be created somehow in first place

'a path CANNOT exist without an aeon presiding it in some way or form.'

An aeon is required to create a path. After that? Nah.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I mean, Nether, if you want to argue that when Terminus is dividing all of it’s power to create the cats, it’s actually dividing all of the Cocoon’s power to do so, then sure, be my guest. I guess it just means Cocoon isn’t even omnipotent within the Tree.

I guess Weaver was right when they said Cocoon = a single Imaginary Domain lel

they will eventually write something that confirms this anyway
they made sparkle fight vita but also job against her OWN mask

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

they will eventually write something that confirms this anyway
they made sparkle fight vita but also job against her OWN mask

Sparkle took a L and was sweating

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Sparkle took a L and was sweating

they forgot that and made vita admit draw you can literally watch trailer and see that sparkle stood no chance if she didnt have mech but rage baiting us with incoherent narrative is the only way

 

[EddisherSound]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Mbpoops/hsr_scaling_blog_because_everyone_is_low_1-C

I see you ship Yanqing and Yunli

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

they forgot that and made vita admit draw you can literally watch trailer and see that sparkle stood no chance if she didnt have mech but rage baiting us with incoherent narrative is the only way

Yep
A draw but Vita didn't even use Eyes of Bodhi
HSR writers are the biggest trolls ever

 

[Mbpoops]

I mean, the reductio here is that you believe that every Aeon can do what Terminus does if the time shit is a derivative of ontic status rather than their unique abilities.

i mean nanook has time manip..

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

It’s created at the end of the universe when the Aeon ascends there… and then they use that Path to affect the past… genuinely what is complicated about this.

just a hypothesis like mine

 

[Mbpoops]

I didn't expect you to be arguing for semantics here to be honest, does this mean that Permanence in HI3 and HSR are different despite both of them originating from Long?

The first is still the same, so it doesn't really matter unless it's a completely different one.

Semantics this semantics that bruh

 

[Mbpoops]

just a hypothesis like mine

But this is literally stated by herta..

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

just a hypothesis like mine

When any one of the scenarios within the Theory of Four Apocalypses begins to unfold, Terminus shall ascend and begin to move forward back in time. At that moment, THEY'll manifest THEIR entire divinity into a clutter of black cats that travels across the universe, murmuring a prophecy that is destined to be fulfilled

Hypothesis huh?
Literally in-game statements about this too and it's p much confirmed to be exactly like this too
But sure "hypothesis"

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

But this is literally stated by herta..

scan?

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

When any one of the scenarios within the Theory of Four Apocalypses begins to unfold, Terminus shall ascend and begin to move forward back in time. At that moment, THEY'll manifest THEIR entire divinity into a clutter of black cats that travels across the universe, murmuring a prophecy that is destined to be fulfilled

Hypothesis huh?
Literally in-game statements about this too and it's p much confirmed to be exactly like this too
But sure "hypothesis"

yes. it can be interpreted differently.

 

[Mbpoops]

scan?

Fuli

terminus

im actually starting to wonder if you play the games bro

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

yes. it can be interpreted differently.

And how can something so direct here a different interpretation...
In a sense of logic, there's no making sense
Ascend means what it's saying.
Going back also means what it's saying and we have confirmed + literal in-game statements of this too...
So where can this be interpreted differently?

 

[Mbpoops]

maybe asmoday can beat phainon now lol

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

maybe asmoday can beat phainon now lol

Atp it wouldn't be surprising

 

[Roha124]

Nahralab blew up a dimension that contained starry sky so another 4-A? Classic VSBW wank lol.

I wonder if this could count for a speed rating too, just like how Scepter got it from annihilating the galaxy.

 

[Mbpoops]

Nahralab blew up a dimension that contained starry sky so another 4-A? Classic VSBW wank lol.

I wonder if this could count for a speed rating too, just like how Scepter got it from annihilating the galaxy.

they copy and pasted the HoO's pocket dimension

 

[Roha124]

they copy and pasted the HoO's pocket dimension

budget issue

 

[Mbpoops]

id like more context before hand but 4-A for the part 2 cast i wouldnt mind. getting worked by helia and coralie as a scion of long is crazy

 

[Roha124]

getting worked by helia and coralie as a scion of long is crazy

Tbf she didn't want to kill them to begin with, but Leylah manipulated her. But yeah there's barely any gap between their power even though Nahralab was also getting an amp from Leylah. And I think being a Long's Scion justifies nothing it's the same flawed argument as S-rank chainscaling but I’d say Nahralab is narratively stronger than DHIL at least.

She can return all things to the blessing of permanence as stated in her own realm description. A single scale can grant an entire planet immortality, and she literally stole a dead star which had almost turned into a real black hole for her collection and iirc she even described that near-black hole as having a tiny mass.

 

[Mbpoops]

Tbf she didn't want to kill them to begin with, but Leylah manipulated her. But yeah there's barely any gap between their power even though Nahralab was also getting an amp from Leylah. And I think being a Long's Scion justifies nothing it's the same flawed argument as S-rank chainscaling but I’d say Nahralab is narratively stronger than DHIL at least.

She can return all things to the blessing of permanence as stated in her own realm description. A single scale can grant an entire planet immortality, and she literally stole a dead star which had almost turned into a real black hole for her collection.

stronger than dhil so either hi3 just cucked hsr pathstriders to 4-A or these mfs are 3-C

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Tbf she didn't want to kill them to begin with, but Leylah manipulated her. But yeah there's barely any gap between their power even though Nahralab was also getting an amp from Leylah. And I think being a Long's Scion justifies nothing it's the same flawed argument as S-rank chainscaling but I’d say Nahralab is narratively stronger than DHIL at least.

She can return all things to the blessing of permanence as stated in her own realm description. A single scale can grant an entire planet immortality, and she literally stole a dead star which had almost turned into a real black hole for her collection.

All I'm hearing is Leylah upscale

 

[Mbpoops]

helia and coralie 3-C

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Nahralab blew up a dimension that contained starry sky so another 4-A? Classic VSBW wank lol.

I wonder if this could count for a speed rating too, just like how Scepter got it from annihilating the galaxy.

It prob does just divide the radius of a starry sky dimension by the length of an explosion in seconds
It’d prob be really high int MFTL+

 

[Mbpoops]

It prob does just divide the radius of a starry sky dimension by the length of an explosion in seconds
It’d prob be really high int MFTL+

faster than the part 1 cast

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

faster than the part 1 cast

The part 1 cast and HSR emanators would scale but yeah the best speed feat coming from HI3 part 2 feels so bizarre.
Someone dump any scans of someone actually calling those lights stars so it can be a blog.

 

[Roha124]

stronger than dhil so either hi3 just cucked hsr pathstriders to 4-A or these mfs are 3-C

I mean in terms of lore? I can't find a better word for it sorry. I don't remember anything that suggests Dan Heng is a stronger dragon than her by pedigree. But that doesn't stop him from being more powerful even if he ranks lower in draconic capability. I mean Dan Heng has fought galaxy-universe ending threats, so in terms of scaling he should obviously be higher.

 

[Mbpoops]

I mean in terms of lore? I can't find a better word for it sorry. I don't remember anything that suggests Dan Heng is a stronger dragon than her by pedigree. But that doesn't stop him from being more powerful even if he ranks lower in draconic capability. I mean Dan Heng has fought galaxy-universe ending threats, so in terms of scaling he should obviously be higher.

if shes narratively implied to be stronger then she'd just get upscaled from that though we should wait for more confirmation

 

[Natsuki012]

It prob does just divide the radius of a starry sky dimension by the length of an explosion in seconds
It’d prob be really high int MFTL+

just did that and got 3.1567e+18m/s

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

just did that and got 3.1567e+18m/s

Interested. How did you estimate the size of the dimension? What process did you use?

 

[Mbpoops]

Interested. How did you estimate the size of the dimension? What process did you use?

assuming the default solar system size but idk lol

 

[Roha124]

Someone dump any scans of someone actually calling those lights stars so it can be a blog.

I mean every time the game shows the shadow realm, it's usually a reflection or the other side of reality, so I doubt those lights could be anything less than stars. And btw, this is not a bubble universe it's a shadow realm. They stated in the beginning that shadow governs all things and all things merely exist within the shadow and it's clearly stated this shadow operates on a universal scale. Also, the Will of Shadow even calls itself 'the world itself' so I doubt we need a direct statement for those lights to be called stars when it's fundamentally a reflection or the other side of reality.

 

[Mbpoops]

They stated in the beginning that shadow governs all things and all things merely exist within the shadow and it's clearly stated this shadow operates on a universal scale.

is this cocoon upscale or downscale

 

[Roha124]

is this cocoon upscale or downscale

Idk it doesn't have anything to do with cocoon so it’s hard to say.

 

[Mbpoops]

Idk it doesn't have anything to do with cocoon so it’s hard to say.

gulp